Just to see what the discussion is all about, I made a SA profile. Am I correct in believing that the users need a premium membership to send/receive custom messages (besides "X granted you access to her photos", etc.)?
You used to get 10 free messages when you set up an account, not sure if they still do that. Other wise, yes, you need a paid membership to send/receive messages.
It seemed to me like my first message to a girl went through fine, but then it started converting my messages to something generic after that, which got annoying fast.
The sites fees are a tad too steep for me in terms of sunken costs (dollars with zero direct return for me). It's like a really high cover charge. I decided, for the time being, to sit it out.
The first ten messages are free but they filter out any usable contact information
Yes they do charge a lot, but when I’ve used it I generally get a bunch of contacts and deactivate my account still working on the contacts from December 2017.
I just looked and I noticed we are up to 89.95 per month for a single month membership. The rate seems to move up and down at times and I've seen it as low as 69.95.
But I would point out to you 89.95 is about what I spend in the first hour of a club visit one time. For that amount depending on how your profile is written and how you approach the women on the site you can expect an estimated 15 likes, looks, responses in the first week and at least from my experience that translates to 3-5 meetings. --89.95 is not that much for the ROI as I measure it.
"I'm not exactly sure other than nothing pertaining to sex...etc.. I'm classy, I'm not a prostitue and will not sell myself, that's disgusting and I have morals."
The irony is I got a look from her. (small world)..........but I didn't respond due to the above line in her profile.
@Warrenboy75 I just thought her name was funny, similar to papi_chulos....i didn't even read her full description...now I have...owns a dayspa....expectations high....no sex...why are you on seeking arrangements?
Sounds like she need eharmony or something.
Unless you're a trust-fund baby, going for SBs is a huge mistake for the men under 30. Think of time-value-of money and what sugaring will do to your financial security later in life. Not to mention that the girls will note your age and automatically assume that you're looking for cheap or free sex. You shouldn't be paying for sex when you're under 30.
"But I would point out to you 89.95 is about what I spend in the first hour of a club visit one time."
Exactly. I've had efficient nights where that's been my visit.
$10 cover
$5 for a beer
$5 in singles for stage tips
$60 for three dances at $20/per
$10 tip for the dances
There's your $90 and I'm set for the month if the dances and dancer were stellar. Yes, extras could be far more of I'm in the mood for them, but it's the same on SA. That $90 is just to get your foot in the door on SA.
It's a higher-stakes game. I hit enough jackpots on the nickel slots to keep me satisfied.To each his own.
As has already been said, the answer is "yes" you need a premium membership. I let mine expire just to see what happens and could no longer see my active conversations. What many do is get on for a month, find as many girls as possible, and collect phone numbers. Then continue conversations and make arrangements via text. I have yet to find a girl that didn't want to move to texting vs. using the site, and it's free for them. They just love to text!
There is a campaign by many SBs for SA to push the membership fee even higher as a way to weed out more of what they call the "broke ass Johns looking for a cheap hooker".
They never look to their own ranks and admit that the broke ass Johns (or cheap, frugal; just because you're not willing to throw JS69-type money at a woman doesn't mean you're broke) wouldn't be there if there weren't a whole bunch of "Juice girls" that will do an overnight date with a guy she just met for $300-500. Might take a shit load of time to find them, but they are definitely there.
^^^I don’t know about a campaign by SBs to get SA to raise their rates, my take is more of a business like approach by SA using @AJs cost reasoning to strike while the iron is hot.
If I had to guess, I'm thinking the raised the pay-as-you-go-monthly rate in response to what guys like @twentyfive are doing. Paying a month; getting contact numbers; then canceling. Make sense.
—>”In his profile on Seeking Arrangement, Jack describes himself as a 67-year-old with a bachelor’s degree. Prior to retiring, the divorced Charleston, S.C., native says … “I only go out with girls 25 and under,” says Jack, whose thick head of white hair and bushy eyebrows form a halo around a red, flushed face. “But I can’t walk into a bar and go up to a 25-year-old. They’d think I’m a pervert. So, this is how I go about meeting them.”
I don’t think SA or sugaring is for you or me, @FTS. Most guys in their ‘30s who have a normal face, fit, own a home, and are comfortable in their own skin, they are out there smashing pussy where some had trouble in their teens or 20s those guys are finally coming into their own. We can actually approach them in public without the girls calling the police or blowing the rape whistle.
I call it the Drew Carey paradox, after the TV show character.
Although I am older I can still go into a bar/club ( excluding strip clubs) high end restaurant and meet women but since I travel often and have a home life it doesn't make much sense to try and date-SA makes sense on multiple levels. And since you are in Northeast Ohio you should understand this comment --going into a place blind,not knowing who is there on a given night is a crap shoot--be it at the local casino or even a place like Magnolia. ( or any of the places on 4th)
Also I don't need to worry about their baggage or as a late friend of mine from your area called it the married, divorced, two kids on a solid 7 who feels she is a 10 syndrome. Yes, if they are on SA they could be an ex and have kids but for the most part it's removed from me--and I know before I head out to meet someone I am interested she is going to be there. There isn't the three date tango some feel the need to go through and everything is defined quickly.
Life is always a crap shoot. I don't disagree there. I'm just saying it's not as hard as the guys make it out to be. So it sounds like we agree there.
Truthfully I've met more eligible young women while walking my dog who stop and talk and sometimes flirt. Many have seen me out before and only just gotten up the nerve to stop their car and talk. Most comment how it's so hard to find decent guys these days with the irony being that I'm married. Figures. I tie the knot now I get more attention.
Sometimes it does help for them to see you more than once before they decide.
There is no three date tango if the guy defines the rules. most women, IMO, like a man's leadership and his certainty. It's what you make of it.
Any quest to raise rates seems like it would be driven by ladies with GPS, and I'm not talking Google Maps. If the site wants to cater to them, all the more reason to seek other avenues. Hopefully they have a good sense of the economic curves and don't go that route.
"I don’t think SA or sugaring is for you or me, @FTS. Most guys in their ‘30s who have a normal face, fit, own a home, and are comfortable in their own skin, they are out there smashing pussy where some had trouble in their teens or 20s those guys are finally coming into their own."
There can still be a market to guys in that age range, and it's the same one clubs cater to: Guys with a SO who are willing to pay to practice discreet non-monogamy. Granted, those guys might not have a ton of money. Kids and the SO eat up a lot of it. But they also should be more relatable and fun than a 75-year-old retiree for a 21-year-old college girl. $200 for a date and a good time, with the only caveats being not telling anyone and no guarantee of another date or any future contact, still seems like a fair bargain. Better than doing it for nothing, as long as everyone's safe and can live in the moment.
Those guys often can't just go to a bar or on Tinder for fear of being found out, so it's not necessarily easy for them to ply their trade. That's a market where SA could help, if it was smart and kept itself affordable.
You'd hope there are girls out there that might want a balance between "I'm looking for a good time" and "I'm looking for a billionaire that I can lay on my back or get on my knees for every once in a while so I don't have to have a real job." A middle ground of, "I've found something I enjoy that is a nice supplement to my income." Avoid extremes; aim for the middle.
It makes sense in my mind, but my mind's a goofy place, so maybe it only makes sense there.
Dominic--not a problem. I think we all are correct but we all also are coming from our own perspective of what we experience and what we have seen in our lives. I tried in my answer to you to site certain places and perceptions that were common knowledge to the area. I don't live in Cleveland but I know the area well--very well. But I also know DC, Baltimore, NYC and Richmond just as well and few other cities too.
The fact that I travel as I have for almost 30 years makes something like SA a good fit.for me. "anywhere in the USA on any given day" isn't just a tag line for me.
Strip clubs for me are something I have only in the last couple of years re-acquainted myself with and I use the same principles in them as I do with women I meet --good eye contact, a smile, and as the board sage as stated "not being a little bitch"if things don't go your way. I'm not sure I am any different than anyone else on here but I seem to have a different style and approach. It seems to work for me.
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The sites fees are a tad too steep for me in terms of sunken costs (dollars with zero direct return for me). It's like a really high cover charge. I decided, for the time being, to sit it out.
Yes they do charge a lot, but when I’ve used it I generally get a bunch of contacts and deactivate my account still working on the contacts from December 2017.
But I would point out to you 89.95 is about what I spend in the first hour of a club visit one time. For that amount depending on how your profile is written and how you approach the women on the site you can expect an estimated 15 likes, looks, responses in the first week and at least from my experience that translates to 3-5 meetings. --89.95 is not that much for the ROI as I measure it.
The irony is I got a look from her. (small world)..........but I didn't respond due to the above line in her profile.
Sounds like she need eharmony or something.
SA is mostly for the midlife-crisis crowd.
Exactly. I've had efficient nights where that's been my visit.
$10 cover
$5 for a beer
$5 in singles for stage tips
$60 for three dances at $20/per
$10 tip for the dances
There's your $90 and I'm set for the month if the dances and dancer were stellar. Yes, extras could be far more of I'm in the mood for them, but it's the same on SA. That $90 is just to get your foot in the door on SA.
It's a higher-stakes game. I hit enough jackpots on the nickel slots to keep me satisfied.To each his own.
They never look to their own ranks and admit that the broke ass Johns (or cheap, frugal; just because you're not willing to throw JS69-type money at a woman doesn't mean you're broke) wouldn't be there if there weren't a whole bunch of "Juice girls" that will do an overnight date with a guy she just met for $300-500. Might take a shit load of time to find them, but they are definitely there.
—>”In his profile on Seeking Arrangement, Jack describes himself as a 67-year-old with a bachelor’s degree. Prior to retiring, the divorced Charleston, S.C., native says … “I only go out with girls 25 and under,” says Jack, whose thick head of white hair and bushy eyebrows form a halo around a red, flushed face. “But I can’t walk into a bar and go up to a 25-year-old. They’d think I’m a pervert. So, this is how I go about meeting them.”
source: https://goo.gl/izzXpG
I don’t think SA or sugaring is for you or me, @FTS. Most guys in their ‘30s who have a normal face, fit, own a home, and are comfortable in their own skin, they are out there smashing pussy where some had trouble in their teens or 20s those guys are finally coming into their own. We can actually approach them in public without the girls calling the police or blowing the rape whistle.
I call it the Drew Carey paradox, after the TV show character.
Although I am older I can still go into a bar/club ( excluding strip clubs) high end restaurant and meet women but since I travel often and have a home life it doesn't make much sense to try and date-SA makes sense on multiple levels. And since you are in Northeast Ohio you should understand this comment --going into a place blind,not knowing who is there on a given night is a crap shoot--be it at the local casino or even a place like Magnolia. ( or any of the places on 4th)
Also I don't need to worry about their baggage or as a late friend of mine from your area called it the married, divorced, two kids on a solid 7 who feels she is a 10 syndrome. Yes, if they are on SA they could be an ex and have kids but for the most part it's removed from me--and I know before I head out to meet someone I am interested she is going to be there. There isn't the three date tango some feel the need to go through and everything is defined quickly.
Truthfully I've met more eligible young women while walking my dog who stop and talk and sometimes flirt. Many have seen me out before and only just gotten up the nerve to stop their car and talk. Most comment how it's so hard to find decent guys these days with the irony being that I'm married. Figures. I tie the knot now I get more attention.
Sometimes it does help for them to see you more than once before they decide.
There is no three date tango if the guy defines the rules. most women, IMO, like a man's leadership and his certainty. It's what you make of it.
Take care, friend.
That’s twentyfive for you, fucking it up for the rest of us.
"I don’t think SA or sugaring is for you or me, @FTS. Most guys in their ‘30s who have a normal face, fit, own a home, and are comfortable in their own skin, they are out there smashing pussy where some had trouble in their teens or 20s those guys are finally coming into their own."
There can still be a market to guys in that age range, and it's the same one clubs cater to: Guys with a SO who are willing to pay to practice discreet non-monogamy. Granted, those guys might not have a ton of money. Kids and the SO eat up a lot of it. But they also should be more relatable and fun than a 75-year-old retiree for a 21-year-old college girl. $200 for a date and a good time, with the only caveats being not telling anyone and no guarantee of another date or any future contact, still seems like a fair bargain. Better than doing it for nothing, as long as everyone's safe and can live in the moment.
Those guys often can't just go to a bar or on Tinder for fear of being found out, so it's not necessarily easy for them to ply their trade. That's a market where SA could help, if it was smart and kept itself affordable.
You'd hope there are girls out there that might want a balance between "I'm looking for a good time" and "I'm looking for a billionaire that I can lay on my back or get on my knees for every once in a while so I don't have to have a real job." A middle ground of, "I've found something I enjoy that is a nice supplement to my income." Avoid extremes; aim for the middle.
It makes sense in my mind, but my mind's a goofy place, so maybe it only makes sense there.
The fact that I travel as I have for almost 30 years makes something like SA a good fit.for me. "anywhere in the USA on any given day" isn't just a tag line for me.
Strip clubs for me are something I have only in the last couple of years re-acquainted myself with and I use the same principles in them as I do with women I meet --good eye contact, a smile, and as the board sage as stated "not being a little bitch"if things don't go your way. I'm not sure I am any different than anyone else on here but I seem to have a different style and approach. It seems to work for me.