It seems that there have been almost as many threads about Sugar Arrangements as Strip Clubbing lately. I don't know much about that hobby.
There was a recent complaint be a SB that she was treated like a hooker.
Many PLs talk of strippers as hookers, but I've always thought Sugar Babies were more similar to the stereotypical hooker.
Am I understanding this wrong?
Sugar babies are girl friends who get an allowance, to compensate for the lack of possibly getting married, or having a more stable relationship, where the man would traditionally take care of her.
"It seems that there have been almost as many threads about Sugar Arrangements as Strip Clubbing lately."
Two years ago you would get flamed mercilessly for bringing the subject up here. Now it's become mainstream.
If you're paying for sex, it's sex work (escort, SB, stripper). Who cares?
Rose is a rose...
Just way more choices online. @Burlington can find a libertarian. I can find a moderate liberal. @SJG can find a nutcase.
@BJ Are you referring to how SBs rationalize it, or are you saying that is why it isn't sex for pay for real.
-->"Many PLs talk of strippers as hookers, but I've always thought Sugar Babies were more similar to the stereotypical hooker. Am I understanding this wrong?"
You're missing a really key point, how each of those groups think of themselves. Escorts and strippers all know they're in the sex industry. And, of course, the escorts who are on SA, realize that SA is an extension of their business. But there's a huge number of women on SA who are in a grayer area -- deep down, they may realize they're part of the sex industry, but they would NOT be part of the sex industry if not for SA. Or, in other words, just like it may be the case that for some SC customers, psychologically they're more comfortable with OTC than with escorts, because it allows them to pretend they're not having sex with a prostitute. I"m making believe there's two distinct separate groups, but in reality, there's this sliding scale between "approach her like a low-end BP whore" and "approach her like a fancy sugarbaby".
Going a step further, the high volume escorts on SA are perfectly fine with a first contact message of, "$350 for everything? Free at 7pm tonight?", and then welcome straightforward talk on what might be expected and exchanged. Whereas to that second group -- the large population of women on SA who need to have a more arrangement-ish interaction -- that is "treating them like a hooker". Hell, even lower-volume escorts on SA won't tolerate the "$350 for everything, 3:00 this afternoon" approach.
A SB is a goomah, you jamooks. Fuggedaboutit!
i hear what you're saying OP. People get offended when you break it down to them and call them what they. For example a lazy person, you cant have a discussion with them about waking up early to go to work/gym. or a broke/poor person, you can't talk about money and all the shit you spend it on. A stripper/SB, you wont be able to discuss how they get payed to provide a sexual service w/out them getting their panties in a bunch. thats life
Its all an industry because truth be told strippers often look at SB the same way. There fucking around with guys and getting paid for it. Well my thoughts are if your willing to spread eagle on a stage your not far off from doing more for more money. Its just common sense. Not saying all strippers do and not saying all SB do but its the truth. If you buy bread from the store its because you need bread and the store sells it because they need money. Same with sex.
people use nice words to justify their actions...for example --> allowance, girlfriend, entertainer and so on. but if it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, its a duck.
@Flag: "I don't know much about that hobby."
...yet it doesn't stop you from blathering on about the subject.
Well, what’s the point of a young single girl dating a married man who has no intention of leaving his wife? What does she get out of it (other than plenty of awesome dick pics)? I don’t see it as pay for sex in a transactional sense, but in an overall sense. Like more of a kept woman, or a mistress. I realize that SB relationships have become more transactional and many are pretty much escorts who like to have a regular clientele.
SA ducks typically will meet you in public a first time and you should not expect any physical contact.......escorts ducks will wonder what the hell is wrong with you if there isn't physical contact and typically do not want be seen with you in public---strippers ducks have you come to their place of work and want a three way for any physical contact......her, you and Andrew Jackson.......and the more of Andrew Jackson the more cont
act is expected...
@ salty. An allowance is a regular amount based paid regularly. Guess you could call it a salary lol. A girlfriend likes you, and wants you to like her. A hooker really doesn’t have to care since it’s just sex and completely based on acts (at least in her mind).
@Random I guess, maybe. I'm explaining how I perceived it and am simply asking if I'm misunderstanding.
Maybe you can provide a way for me to get fellow PL opinions about my questions without asking the questions.
Best definition I've come across is that sugaring is a benign, middle-class, form of prostitution. Sleeping with older guys has become socially acceptable as a way for young girls to pay for college.
Actually Bj99 got this right mostly. Some of the SA girls are nothing but prostitutes, but some will be exclusive to the right guy, but she needs to feel like there is something in it for her if marriage is off the table. Think of it like an arrangement between consenting adults. She’ll be there when it’s conv for you but you can’t always be counted on to help her. Example maybe she gets a flat tire in the middle of the night what are you going to do to help her, and that’s a valid point.
^ exactly. That type of situation would send an unpaid mistress over the edge.
@25 that sounds like how a lot of strippers are concerning OTC.
Many go for volume but some are OTC monogamous.
Well you can’t very well be a good boyfriend if your a married guy you have other demands on you, so an arrangement where you help her out is your end in return she gives you what you want, I don’t see it as prostitution per se, but more of a mutual friendship. If she is really not seeing anyone else, than you need to give her a reason to be there for you. I mean really she’s prolly young and pretty right now doesn’t mean she will remain that way, and when you’ve tired of her where does she go ?
Birds of the same feather, flock together. i dont see the need to tippy toe around the subject. is a 20 year old girl really attracted to a 40 year old man? Theres nothing wrong with a women leveraging her beauty and body for resources. Theres different ways to hoe, all in the end want your money. the only difference i see, SA/Strippers/Escorts are more selective than your typical street walking hookers.
@Salty Nutz I don’t totally disagree but I think that if the girl is not doing that with anyone except for you you really can’t call it straight up prostitution. Yeah I know what makes you so sure, I’m just sayin.
It’s a sliding scale. Plenty of wives aren’t the least bit attracted to their husbands, and barely like them, but stay w them for security.
Yep, @realDougster. And I bet she's fucking miserable.
Lol yep. Queen SB.
i am probably a little jaded and see all women as hookers/prostitues (except mom..duh). but as long as i have $$ to get my small penis sucked and ass hole licked they can call themselves whatever they want.
" Plenty of wives aren’t the least bit attracted to their husbands, and barely like them, but stay w them for security."
That might be true of the other married guys, but I've been told I'm a "Hottie".
Okay. Today I learned that @flagooner is the “trophy wife” and that @cashman1234 swallows. Gentlemen, this is way more homosexual behavior here than usual. And juice isn’t even here today!
Yeah. It’s can get pretty homo around here. ;P when’s the next tuscl otc!?
^^^Thank goodness I’m drunk this is just too much info for me.
LOL
Sugar baby - go on multiple dates before she's willing to have sex with you Escort - have sex multiple times before she's willing to go on a date with you Stripper - one or the other or neither (will only see you ITC and won't have sex or go on dates no matter how much you spend)
While Seeking Arrangements was created to facilitate traditional sugar relationships (and has recently been cracking down on enforcement of policies related to that, including a big increase in the fee for Premium membership which allows you to message with the girls), there are all types of Arrangements to be found there.
The traditional SB wanna be's are pissed that they have to deal with the guys searching for the "350 for everything? Free at 7pm" girls reducing time to find next "true SD" who is going to give them a $5k monthly allowance for 1 or 2 visits per week. (Whales vs. bargain shoppers in SC parlance)
ALL the SD wanna be's are pissed at all the fake SB profiles trying to rip you off, or the "platonic only" SBs who have been hooked by SA's advertising that suggests they can make thousands per month, no sex involved. (ROBs and air dances in SC parlance.)
Sometimes I really wish founder would add an edit feature!
Lol.
Based on how SB’s conduct business, I’d say you are correct.
I’m guessing that SB’s find it insulting because they might think of themselves as not being sex workers. Strippers work in clubs - and they are actual sex workers. SB’s like to think they are above it (even though they aren’t).