Does any monger feel like there is no thrill of the hunt to sex with a dancer?
I for one feel like the hunt is still there because not all dancers treat PL's the same. I think some of them even feel like the money is a bonus because they would've had sex with me willingly if I had said the right things in a different setting. I still feel like "the man" even though I pay for it, an I alone in thinking this? You figure celebrities pay for it too by buying the girls expensive things.
Absolutely there is a thrill of the hunt. See, Want, Get is the biggest thrill in strip clubs. You can get the girl you have selected, and dressed and painted up exactly as you first found her. Money is not to persuade her, it is simply a show of care and respect, and an exercise in power. That she will be getting money is what allows her to be there available for you.
Front room makeout sessions, then take her to the back room when it is time for your own pants to come down, and then take her home with you and keep on seeing her regularly.
SJG
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This is a troll account... Nothing this OP says should be taken even slightly serious
^^^ OP meant the thrill of the kill if he’s HIV positive he’s also a serial killer.
I never thought of it like that 25, thrill of the kill. That ones got me thinking deeply.
^^^No ambiguity?
Well that's not exactly true all the time even in the p4p world. That's why the word ROB exists. The only difference is men don't have to fake their own intentions about getting sex in the p4p world vs having to play somewhat coy about it in the civii world.
I enjoy the thrill of the chase when dealing with strippers and escorts. The difference is that these girls are honest about their p4p intentions. With civilian girls it’s a tired old dance.
"Civilian girls act like they're interested in guys they have no plans of doing anything with all the time"
.. there's nothing to be confused about with civii either. If she's not providing an enthusiastic and obvious verbal "yes" to sex, then the answer is "no" she doesn't want to have sex... nothing to be confused about.
Makes it pretty simple to spot the ROB equivalent the "Tease" that way.
There's your bit of knowledge for today.. Happy Hunting in both worlds
i don't feel like the man if i'm paying for it.
to me, the biggest appeal to strippers is that its immediate gratification with no work involved.
when you're chasing chicks out in the real world.....its time consuming and there are hurdles you gotta jump thru
Similar to what "IHearVoices" posted, for me the thrill is the excitement of all the options/potential-options available for me to enjoy/play-with - although w/ all the SCing I've done over the last couple of years, I currently find myself not getting as excited as I used to.
"... I mean like a girl that hardcore flirts with you and then tells you she has a boyfriend. Or when you ask a girl out on a date, she says yes, and then says "hey can I bring my boyfriend," and you say yes because you don't wanna look like a dick .,."
Don't take this personally; but this is typical of an inexperienced young-guy - you need to learn to be more assertive and less of a push-over - don't be afraid to be direct w/ women - if one is not direct and is a push-over they'll treat you like their LB (little bitch) - if a chick is not treating you right then forget her; don't settle for fucking crumbs - if a chick tells you she wants "to bring her BF", I'd set her straight and tell her that is not what I had in mind; one can't be afraid of women and let them treat you however they want to - don't put a bitch on a pedestal unless she deserves it by her treating you right - being "Mr Nice Guy" or "her buddy" is the surest way to not get laid while she goes fuck the assertive guy - if a chick is trying to be coy w/ you IMO either set things straight or just play dumb and let her believe you're buying her shit and see where it goes; but don't invest anything she's not willing to invest herself - if you are all worried about her thinking your are a dick, then you're not playing the game right - the assertive guys don't think about that shit; be who you are and stop sweating so much what they think and trying to be someone you're not b/c you think that's what they want.
I agree with some of the stuff papi said but if you need to treat these girls like dirt, there are other women out there who want to get paid for sex, other strippers (prostitutes) is what they really are, just treat them good enough so they'll bang you for $100-150. I've told women all kinds of things you have the money that's what this lifestyle should teach you about civilian women. You have the money you make the decisions.
Seems like this topic has come up 15 times. There's no thrill of the hunt when you're paying for sex
At 76 I have no game. It's all about the money but I am always on the look out for that diamond in the rough.
If you’re HIV + you shouldn’t be paying anyone for sex. Again sorry about your situation and you should seek treatment, but please don’t be spreading that around
Someone asked about DFKing, and at our local clubs.
DFKing in the clubs of Santa Clara County is rare. The clubs are no touching. But it does sometimes happen, a girl initiating it, usually because she is trying to line up immediate OTC. Sometimes it is also because she is mad at the bosses. Some bouncers are known by the girls to be real loose. Still rare though. When it happens, lots of fun because these girls are really good at it.
We have an on and off again underground circuit in Mexican Bars. Usually they say that DFKing is prohibited. But still much more of it goes on, as most all the girls there do all the OTC they can get. Girls might start with nuzzling or pressing forehead to forehead. I usually start them out with open tongue kissing, to let them stay presentable, at first.
Sometimes when clubs have been slated for closure things really loosen up, and there has been lots of DFKing, girls DFKing anyone who gives them $1. But their real reason for this is clearly to get back room action or OTC. And in such cases the back room mileage skyrockets.
In San Francisco, their LE Is never going to try and act against that. So it had been quite common. My mind was blown by a front room makeout session with an extremely cute black girl. But that was before Deja Vu, turned these places into the modern version of a clip joint. Forcing all the action into the back rooms, raising the costs, but also just destroying the choreography of the interaction between you and the girl. So as such, what happens will always be tainted. But it can still work out. Deja Vu girls have given me the "I don't kiss" speech, and then been demonstrably reversing themselves not too much further on. But the costs are radically inflated by the front room restrictions and in effect having to use booth dances to soften girls up. In such situations I usually go for DATYing them in the early dances.
But in looser clubs, the way things should be, you always want to get your girl DFKing in the front room. Of course you are feeding her money as a show of respect. But you don't try and bargain her into it, or talk her into it. You never act like money buys anything. You just come on to her like you'd just met her at a party.
Then only when it is time for your own pants to come down, do you then invite her to the back room.
Best if you have selected the girl and approached her yourself, find the girl you want to be waking up with in the mornings, because that is likely how you can steer it. She will feel that you really like her, and so she can open herself to you. But you should reciprocate by taking her home with you and continuing to see her regularly.
Numerous reports about this all across the country, Black Dives, Mixed Race Dives, and of course Mexico. Girls who will jump onto your lap and then start licking your neck and nibbling at your ear, defying them to start making out with you. In some of the Mexican places there are reports of girls being far more aggressive than that.
San Francisco had been that good, and it could be again if we can get some non-Deja Vu clubs open.
Good Luck SJG
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More to an inquirer about local clubs, and DFKing issue:
Cheetahs? You mean Cheetahs Sunnyvale, formerly Kit Kat Club? I don't like that place.
Anywhere, our strip clubs are highly controlled. Can't imagine anyone who does not live here ever wanting to visit them.
As far as Mexican Bars, we have had in San Jose this on and off again underground circuit which runs in Mexican Bars. It is table dancing. The Mexican's refer to it as 'Bikini Show'. It is much looser. And most of the girls there do all the OTC they can get. So if they are talking to a guy, that is what they are talking about. Everyone knows that those shows come and go, so the girls want to have all the regulars lined up that they can get.
To have a reasonable expectation of DFKing you need to be in some other metro. And obviously you don't want to be buying dances, the choreography is just wrong, the girl has not opened up to you. So front room makeout session, then you invite her to the back room when it gets to be time for your own pants to come down.
But Santa Clara County does not have places like that. I don't think there is much in San Francisco, hard to say exactly though, but its because of the Deja Vu take over and their clip joint approach to the business. Need to look in other metros.
But definitely if you want it to go well with a girl in the back room, and if you want to be seeing her regularly outside, you want to get her loosened up and in a fully civilian mode.
What we lack in strip clubs, we make up for in AMPs. But the San Francisco AMP scene is much much better. And there too, you want to get your girl softened up and DFKing right away.
Good Luck SJG
I would think that the thrill (at least for me) would come in finding the right girl: one who's attractive enough and will likely give a good performance. That's the thrill I get from finding the right girl for dances, so I imagine it wouldn't be too different in other situations.