The following just occurred yesterday:
Ran into a man I know, J. Had not seen him for a few months. He has had a hard time in life, only occasional and garbage employment in recent years. Its the kind of jobs where often as not they don't even intend to pay as agreed. J. would be homeless except that he is friends with and the carer of a man with chronic health problems V. So J. is the carer and he gets the money for V., and then he gives it to V. for a much reduced rent.
J. had once been a shipboard repair tech in the Navy, and also a Kidney Dialysis and Electronics Tech. So he is quite capable. But since things have been hard for him since.
He has a serious history with Methamphetamine, Marijuana, and Tobacco. For a while he was a methamphetamine dealer, and then he got busted and for the last few years he has been on probation.
He used to try and run that line on me that drugs "expand your mind". He knows better of that now. He admits that marijuana destroys your memory and meth has destroyed his health.
He is about 50yo, but he has already had two heart attacks. He says his heart retains water and swells up and his EKG does not look good. So he is supposed to be at the doctor's about twice per week.
But here is the real issue, they have started sending him to a psychiatrist! He says that they say it is because he 'lacks all motivation', because he won't do what is necessary to take care of his health, and it is because he won't go and apply for Food Stamps and General Assistance.
I told him right there, those things are your business, not any of theirs.
They are always trying to turn joblessness and poverty into mental health issues.
J. is black.
I told him, you, like many, have lived a hard life. And we all live in an unfair world. But a Psychiatrist or a Psychotherapist is not going to hunt down and punish abusers, and they are not going to extract reparations money from them either. They are not going to change anything about the objective circumstances of your life. All they do is mess with your head.
He went on to explain that he feels bad about having gotten himself boxed into his present situation.
I told him, making you feel like you are responsible is one of their tricks to break you. You have lived in an unfair world and done the best you could have. The problems with the world we live in are not caused by you, and they are not personal, they are collective problems. But these mental health people, all they are trying to do is convert you from being an Angry Slave into a Happy Slave.
I asked him, "Its just talk, right?"
He said they are going to put him on Zoloft, an anti-depressant.
I told him right then that psych meds are just like street drugs. They do not change anything, and there is no problem with you. They use that just to try and make you submit, to destroy your political consciousness. They do this to people to keep people from being able to politically organize. This is the effect of alcohol, prescription drugs, and street drugs.
We all need to feel our feelings, because this is the only way can ever come to understand where we are at and how we got here. These medicines are designed to destroy your mind.
I am also concerned that they are pressing him to accept this mental health interpretation, just to get his primary heart condition care. If so, they deserve to be sued. That they even send anybody to a Psychiatrist and try to put them on drugs warrants a law suit and more. I want to offer him emotional support in the form of offering to find him a lawyer. And then there is a chance that maybe he really will sue.
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last commentMany people in a state of depression are not able to develop long range goals and a plan to achieve them. Talking with a good psychotherapist ( key word: GOOD) can help a person do this. Many years ago I read a brief of a study regarding who benefits from therapy. It overwhelmingly showed that white middle class males derived the most benefit from "talk therapy".
Finding a good therapist can be a trial all by itself. The role of psychopharmaceuticals varies greatly from individual to individual. Some disorders respond much better than others
Your generalizations can be misleading and are ill founded IMHO.
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Don't Scientologists also reject psychotherapy?
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Did you meet him when you were airing up your tires on your huffy bike at Jiffy Mart?
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Good story
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People are depressed because they are living depressing lives, not because they suffer from
depression. Psychotherapists are just mind fuckers. The middle finger is the nicest thing anyone should ever give any of them.People can be depressed, and they are so for legitimate reasons, not because they suffer from
depression, like a clinical condition, likemental illness.SJG
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I reject psychotherapy and scientology. Of course they don't like each other because they are both working very similar scams.
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Scientology and Psychotherapy, the same scam:
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My friend has accepted my offer of finding him a lawyer.
And I have coached him to decline all sessions with therapists or psychiatrists, or any drugs, and instead say that his lawyer has advised him to decline such until he has had a chance to look into it.
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Well, my friend has refused all psychiatrist appointments. This is very good. So he has no need for a lawyer.
But, he is still having health problems. Recently his lower belly area was filling up with water, and he had to induce vomiting. Not sure what is going on. Might be getting close to kidney failure. His heart problems are due to it swelling up with water.
Now I learn that he is still using crystal meth!!!! To get the money he may even be dealing. I don't know.
One lawyer had turned him down. Now I learn that its because after his last hospitalization his blood was found to have meth in it.
So we talked. Today I emailed him, "Once someone has gone far enough with a mood altering chemical, then use in moderation is all but impossible. So it really is death or total abstinence."
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You should do some meth with him. :)
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Idealism is a chumps game SJG. Oh, and way to go letting your "friend" off himself by interfering with your obtuse ideology. A true friend indeed.
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Upright, I am not an idealist, I am just opposed to any and all aspects of the mental health system.
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The Mental Health System is simply the resurgence of the bogus sciences of Social Darwinism and Eugenics. We cannot take a passive or restricted to non-violence approach to it.
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Psychiatry, Psychoanalysis, Psychotherapy, the Recovery Movement, and Evangelical Religion are all bullshit. There is no such thing as mental illness. Giving people psychiatric medications is just like giving them street drugs. Those who give them to children should be prosecuted in the International Court for Crimes Against Humanity, and then executed.
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You are a fucking know it all. What an idiotic premise.
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^^^^^ relief is on the way:
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Psychotherapy is just a way of oppressing designated scapegoats. It is very strongly tied to the norms and standards of the middle-class family.
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This group and its writings, Milan School of Family Systems Therapy, they shed tremendous light on how families operate.
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It it were possible to unlock the old threads, then people will be more likely to read some of them when they get bumped, as opposed to just being linked to in a new thread.
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So this stuff is so bad it can't just go down the toilet. But then why are these white coats telling people that they should ingest it?
Its all just a way to control people, especially the alienated and the poor.
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We need to teach people to reject psychotherapy and the recovery movement, and to tell off the people who are promoting it, and especially psychotherapists and psychiatrists. And we need to teach children to do this too.
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We must completely discredit psychotherapy and the mental health system as a solution to problems, to any kind of a problem.
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