More SA...

If you're having sex on the first meeting, you're probably getting all the BP whores who've moved over to SA.

"she is clean and has proof"
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Just curious about what this means? Where was she tested? Did it include HSV-2 (most don't)? Did you allow for an incubation period?

It sounds like you plan to kill yourself.

Random is right. However I think SA is safer and better, even cheaper maybe for straight outta BP girls. Girls assume the SA mongers are serious and have money.

Not safer in the “bareback” realm of course.

Lol nope have checked myself since the first encounter and am clean and she gets checked at the same clinic I do. Certainly it is possible that they are bp girls, but I have trolled bp for years and have not ever seen them, and so far they are much hotter than most bp girls in my area.

Ahh I see SJG has a new handle lol

"... checked myself since the first encounter and am clean and she gets checked at the same clinic I do."

Well, I guess that's convenient.

I hope you continue to not catch anything. It is dangerous to bareback random girls, but I’m sure it feels good.

Enjoy your good times with SA girls!

So I think it's awesome you're getting the experience you want. I do note that you're using SA much differently than I was: I was looking for something like a more traditional SD/SB relationship, *or* at least something vaguely like OTC-with-a-CF. Along the lines of RM's feedback, you're using it as a simple alternative for BP escorts, which is fine if that's your bag, baby. I'm mostly not interested in an escort-like experience, so that's an important difference in what we're looking for.

Literally 100% of the guys in this area who I've commiserated with, have seen the same thing as me: incredibly high flake rate, and as a rule, women who aren't as attractive as their pics (sometimes a little, sometimes a lot). Almost a little unbelievable how you're not seeing that AT ALL, not even a little, especially considering that arguably you're doing a little SA bottom trawling and that is the group that tends to be the most flakey and do the most lying with their pics IME.

I do disagree a bit with RM that all the "sex on the first meeting" girls are basically BP refugees. Again, speaking of my particular area, there are definitely a lot of pros on SA, but my perception is that there's a lot of lower volume girls who would not be in the sex industry if not for SA, but just want to start making money right away. In fact, once we decide to meet, I always ask "do you prefer a meet-and-greet where we just go home afterwards and think about whether we want to start the arrangement up, or do you want or require the option of having our first date with allowance+intimacy right then", and it's always interesting to see the results. It's 75%+ who are in the latter camp; I assume those in the former camp are either cautious newbies or actual high quality SB candidates.

Sb's willing to have sex on the first meet aren't necessarily bp girls. Some are dtf ASAP but you won't find them on bp or similar type of sites. These types are the easiest to get conversations started with and you don't have to beat around the bush with them. Some also take their profile pics right from their hotel room. I also ask them what sort of a meetup they have in mind, more discrete or a go out type of evening. I look for more OTC type of meet ups.

Only way I would do bareback if it was a exclusive arrangement, frequent meetups, monthly allowance, etc. Even then their is still risk, be careful out there.

All I can say is that the quality is not quite up to my CF stripper. Who as you know wants 1k now for OTC. But the quality is way better than the average strippers in my area. Out of the girls I have had meets with or scheduled with, three are single mother's with legitimate day jobs, 4 are college students, verified by the site. 2 7s, two 8s, two 9s, and a 9+. I have not yet met in person with the 9s.

I will give my theory for the success rate, my state is severely economically depressed, unemployment high, pay low. This has created the perfect storm of desperation for the extra cash SA provides.
@subraman I am in reality looking for a single SB in three different cities I am in frequently. But so many hot girls are offering that I am trying a few to find my favorites. Btw my cost per encounter is between 200-400 per encounter depending on the girl.
If I can figure out how I will place a few pics on here ( nonface) to see what I am seeing

Doces300, can you talk about the scammers?

Yes i can.

The usual scam I have run into is the "how can I tell you're serious" scam. The girl will ask you that tgen want you to prove to her you are legit by you sending her cash for pics, chaturbate, or videos via venmo or cash app. They will take the cash and if they send anything it will be free internet porn. They usually only have one profile pic and it looks like a copy and paste of some superstar hottie

I have never been scammed on SA, but that's because I"m not stupid enough to send any girl money, nor am I willing to pay for the no-sex meet-and-greet, I always make it clear that allowance begins when intimacy begins. That's all it takes. You'll still be assaulted by scammers, but if you don't send anyone money, technically you weren't scammed (right?).

... I will repeat, from an earlier thread, that I've gotten more requests for money for nothing from SA girls/scammers, than from strippers. "Can you help me out a little before we meet on Thursday?" kind of thing -- I immediately drop those girls the moment such a request comes in, no matter how hot their pics

Scams I have come across are exchange for pics/vids, asking you to send money for whatever reason, asking you to buy something off her wishlist, never give out your email address either did that one time and I ended up getting a virus on my computer.

W.r.t. not paying for first m+g's most guys don't pay especially if you are meeting many. I've been in the don't pay for m+g's camp but have considered changing my mind completely about that. I don't meet many and do a lot of the filtering out during the messaging process. If she even shows up you know she is somewhat serious about earning your business, you also find out how accurate her pics are, and how well the two of you click. If your both feeling it suggest starting your first real date right then and there. If not, and the m+g was a good one you could leave her a little something to make a good impression. It could be something small like fifty bucks or less. You certainly don't have to pay anything for the m+g. I'd probably leave her a Victoria Secret gift card.

@Doces300 I travel quite a bit for work. What's the best way to take advantage of SA when visiting other cities? The cities I visit in the South have shitty strip clubs, so I would be open to trying SA.

How long does a typical engagement/evening last? I could easily expense dinner. :)

@droid When you contact someone, ask her if she is open to casual dating. Tell her you're from out of town but travel in for work once a month, twice a month, whatever it is.

Some girls specifically want to be low volume and only want to see 1, maybe 2, guys. So, they want to know if you will be able to see them frequently enough to create the Cash flow they need. So, some won't be interested if it's only once a month. Others won't care and will be happy to take your occasional money.

One girl contacted me who was reverse situation. SHE travels to Atlanta for work (I figured flight attendant or sales rep) and wanted to have some guys lined up who might be interested in seeing her while she was in town. I didn't pursue, since she said she'd only be able to provide a couple days notice, and I usually need a week to plan ahead.

My dates with SA girls have always been _dates_. Dinner, movie, concert, strip clubbing, etc. If I just wanted an hour of sex with someone I didn't know very well, I'd just go back to escorts. I want some connection, some mutual interest, some affection - possibly faked, but more possibly not than with a stripper.

With current SA Girl, Sometimes it's dinner and a quickie in the car parked in some wooded area, or it's a whole day/overnight date of sex at the hotel, dinner and a movie, back to hotel for more sex. Whatever we feel like and I have the time and cover story for. I have three days "home alone" coming up near Christmas. I think we're gonna try a swingers club together one of the nights and we're working another stripper as a possible OTC playmate.

Forgot to add: anyone got any spare Viagra I could score a few from you? Finally giving in to the idea that it might be a good thing to have around if I'm gonna try a three day sex romp, and don't have the time to place an order and set up a place to have it shipped.

Re: scammers. I haven't run into any hard core scams. I have talked to girls that have said they want to do an online relationship. I don't automatically think those are scams, but suspect they might be. There are guys out there for whom that's what they want.

I did talk to one college girl who wanted $150/date for m+g dates to "get to know me", but passed on that.

The few times I've left my profile visible, I get lots of contacts from girls in the Philippines, Colombia, Eastern Europe, etc offering to come see me cheap if I just send airfare in advance.

My current SB is 19, student at local state U, half Irish and half Indonesian, 5' 6" about 115 lbs. She's gorgeous and fun to be around. She's lives in my state now, but she went to high school at Chevy Chase in the DC area which has a reputation for babysitting rich kids. She's liberal and hates Trump nearly as much as I do, which makes for some nice discussion topics. Two overnights so far at my place.

I don't use SA for quick hook-ups and that's not really what it's for. I'm down to a handful of partners per year, and I think SA is the ideal place if you have a college-girl fetish.

SA-been there and done that. quality has gone down this year compared to last. of course this varies by location-i'm in nyc and SA isn't that great in my area. high flake rates in not wanting to meet, some girls wanting $300-600 to screw for an hour, most girls when you do meet them are a level or 2 below my fave strippers, etc.
since joining i've met 7 of them. 4 of them got me off. out of those 4 maybe 2 i would repeat again. however not exactly in a rush to meet those 2 again anytime soon. maybe on a real boring monday or tuesday.

@Random with 4 big colleges in Atlanta area, you'd think there would be more college girls on SA around here, but when you search 18-22 there really aren't that many, at least of the white or mixed variety (my preference).

And the ones I have found aren't desperate enough yet for the 50+ crowd. Apparently, Atlanta has enough under 30 guys looking for SBs to keep the young girls occupied.

"Atlanta has enough under 30 guys looking for SBs to keep the young girls occupied."
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^^ I bet the 30-yr-olds don't have any money

^^ actually, they do - that's the problem. Lots of young professional guys with money. I went on a m+g with one young SB cause she said I sounded interesting. We hit it off, but in the end she decided not to pursue cause she had no trouble finding guys closer to her own age, and in her case she said she got more money out of them than most older guys offered.

Another article that reminds me of why I love being married as we approach 28 years and no its not the 15,000 hit on the slots by the wife in Vegas last week.

@joc13 Thanks for the feedback. Is there a way to have a profile that can't be found by prying eyes? Ideally I can use SA to make casual encounters in the deep South as I visit different cities.

@droid My profile does not have a picture. By not having a picture, I have to "upgrade" so that I can send and receive messages. When I'm in need of finding a new girl, I'll pay for one month and then make contact and get phone numbers of as many as I can.

You can also set your profile to not appear when someone is browsing. Don't remember if that applies to searches, too. I think it's a feature of the Premium upgrade, too.

When I'm not actively searching, I deactivate my account. I just activated it today for the first time in 2 months since I'm going to do an independent audit of Doces' harem. Within 15 minutes I was viewed and favorited by 10 women from all over the US and the world. With the "hide" setting on that doesn't happen.

I've seen some girls post faceless profile pics. I've thought of trying that to get free messaging, but from a physical standpoint my face is the only positive I have going for me.

at my age of almost 68 and not a celebrity nor flush with money i just don't have what it takes for a pretty 18-23 year old lady.

Can someone please clarify my basic question . What is SA

Doces300, why would you use SA, when instead you could just partake with girls in strip clubs, and likely find some who would meet all your outside types of needs?

F2F first meeting has numerous advantages, in my opinion, and it is also the primary basis of The System (tm).

SJG

@Jhony25 SA is seeking arrangement a sugar baby website.

@joc13 Thanks. One of my faves at a local club recently told me she was on SA and is no longer with her SD. Sounds like a door opening to me.
Thanks again.