Pornstar bullying

Bullying, I don't think caused her death to take her own life. Drugs and depression is the likely cause, which came first is the more perplexing issue.

She was molested by her grandfather at a young age and her father, his son, and all that side of the family never believed her. This has a lot more to do with it than Twitter bullying.

Good to see you back, anyhow...

Morons use twitter.

This is a very sad story. She was bullied for not performing with gay male performers. That makes no sense - as she chooses who she fucks (and who she doesn’t).

Just my 2 cents - but civilian folks can easily forget that the beautiful and incredibly sexy performers (in porn) can actually be very fragile (emotionally). They can appear to almost be like action figures - with incredible bodies - and incredible sexual talents. They are simply human - and they feel the same pain we do.

Sometimes social media is a great tool for promotion of adult performers. However, it can turn quickly - and due to crowd/mob mentality - the bullying can be overwhelming. Sadly it turned on this girl - and it really got to her.

Because I don't highly value social media or want much use for it, I have a hard time seeing how Twitter or whatever ernsocial media she used influenced her decision to take her life. I do understand that I can't read what's inside the lady's thinking brain, yet maybe she placed a higher importance to it than others like me.

Things that make you go hmmmm.

She made the choice, no one else.

To place blame somewhere else is akin to saying alcoholism is a disease.

I would imagine it is very difficult to keep yourself from falling down the rabbit hole in the sex industry with the drugs, creeps, criminals, greedy asshole and pervs in the industry.
I would think that there are many girls that are in the industry that have low self esteem and are looking for something to raise their self respect. Childhood abuse is horrible and the grandfather and the others should be hung upside down in a vat of hog manure with a meat hook entering through their sack and out their asshole. or better yet just tie them up naked put a couple nice cuts on their nether regions and feed them to the hogs. (no evidence as the hog will eat everything.)

Clubber - I agree she made a choice to end her life. The issue is what pushed her to the point where she thought that ending her life would be a better choice than continuing to live.

There are folks with thicker skin - and they may have been able to withstand the social media onslaught - but they shouldn’t be subject to the gang mentality of online bullying either.

Alcoholism is a disease.

I always thought that August Ames had a tranny look.

People losing it over bullying or often what I view as perceived bullying as well as taking shit that occurs online so seriously is strange. Toughen up.

Too bad some go to extremes as far as this goes, but maybe they're not fit for how society operates? It isn't that tough to ignore it or take a break from social media if not stop it outright. There have always been obnoxious assholes, always will be. Ignore them, fight back if need be, and they'll move on to someone else to try to break.

Finally a solution to all my problems! Alcohol is a disease so that's where I've gone wrong. It's about time I get some treatment and take a long vacation. Wait, first I will create a series of incompetences before disclosing my disease, and then I can go on that long awaited vacation by cashing in on a bunch of drinking binges. Follow this up with eating a bunch of junk food and fatty stuff, my #'s will be off the charts cradling a health hazard. Then and only then will it be time for me to declare my disease and the timing to get treatment to avoid losing my employment, and continue on the payroll for at least another year. USA! USA! USA!

Problem solved.

It’s much easier said - than done. When one has personal demons - from years of abuse - those demons can be overwhelming.

I think there are lots of good reasons to ignore social media -

Cash,

"Alcoholism is a disease" Really? I'd like to see someone make the choice to take up cancer or quit cancer!
Again, a choice

I won't get drawn into the alcoholism debate.

As for this story, very sad. Yes, she made a lot of choices in her life that led to this, but there is always that final proverbial straw.

Clubber - I think it’s classified as a mental disorder. Soyou are correct - it’s not a disease.

To take a drink is a choice - I agree. But to not be able to take just a drink - is where it becomes more than simple choice.

I don’t have salient arguments regarding the disorder - but I know the pain one feels when one sees a loved one continually hitting the bottle.

This isn’t the place for this discussion. I definitely see your point, and I respect your point too.

I recall someone else had posted a thread about this that i saw the last time i was here.
She was bullied by the tolerant gay left that are only tolerant if you think and agree with them. Whether it actually led to her suicide or not only she knew that but their attacks on her surely didn't improve her mental state.

I thought shadowcat posted a thread about her suicide a few days ago but like I said then, it is sad that she took her life. The group mentality can get overwhelming especially if bullying is involved. At least older guys are used to shutting down social media and taking a break from it all. I don't encourage anyone to take their life. If social media irritates someone, shut down the computer or block the site for a couple weeks and take a break. Live in reality instead of online. Just post sorry online and take a break until people forget. If they know your name and looks, harder for some to forget though but if they cross the line by making threats, the police can get involved and make arrests.

Cash,

I'm not saying alcoholism can't become addictive nor that it can't affect others. I'm saying it is not a disease in the sense one has no control over deciding to drink. Now if abused, that would be an addiction.

That said, since these days no one is responsible for anything that happens to them, I am sure many will consider it a disease.

Clubber,
I’m not trying to remove responsibility from alcoholism. The person is ultimately responsible for their decision to take a drink.

I agree with what you’ve said.

Okay, I do believe alcoholism is a disease, or at least a condition.

I liken it to the type of diabetes that can be controlled by diet. Alcoholics just can't process and handle alcohol the same way non-Alcoholics can.

It is totally within that Alcoholics control to not have a drink, and thus they carry the responsibility for anything they do after drinking.

BTW, TY @poledancer for updating the avatar. Looks scrumptious.

flag,

Bottom line, it was a choice to drink. No one wakes up one morning and decides, "What a beautiful day. I think I'll go get cancer!"

We all make life choices. The results of those we deal with.
Sometimes life makes the choice for us, those we also deal with.

THAT'S the difference, guys!

"To place blame somewhere else is akin to saying alcoholism is a disease"

No, it is not.

It is medically recognized as a disease. It alters the structure and function of the brain and people who are addicted to alcohol get withdrawal and can even die from the withdrawal. The withdrawal is more dangerous than heroin.

Just because people choose to take that first drink doesn't mean it's not a disease. People CHOOSE to have unhealthy diet habits and not exercise - is adult onset diabetes not a disease? People CHOOSE to smoke cigarettes. Is lung cancer not a disease?

Alcoholism and other drug addictions are diseases.

I didn’t know if it was considered a disease - but I appreciate NinaBambina clarifying.

I know that the children of alcoholics are at a much higher chance of becoming alcoholics themselves. It scares me still - that it’s in there somewhere.

You made excellent points regarding the cause and effect relationships with other acquired diseases.

OTOH - PoleDancer’s avatar is gorgeous! I hope she opens more discussions - just to see more of her sweet kitty!

Nina,

Sorry, but NOT! It is as I said. They may call it what ever they wish, but it is still a choice we make. You mentioned, "People CHOOSE to have unhealthy diet habits and not exercise - is adult onset diabetes not a disease? People CHOOSE to smoke cigarettes. Is lung cancer not a disease? "

They are "counted" as a disease, but once again, in your example, a choice.

How about Jim Fixx? A distance runner. Certainly a fit person and healthy, correct?
Yet, he died in '84 at 52 from a heart attack. He was a very intelligent person, a Mensa member. So a disease? Seems so, yet do not discount his early life.
before he started running, he was a fat guy that smoked two packs of cigarettes a day.
Go figure!

Are you saying that anybody chooses to be an alcoholic?

You can't be that obtuse.

flag,

That makes no sense. I say it is a choice to drink. Abuse of that choice can make one an alcoholic. Without the choice to drink alcohol, no one will become an alcoholic.

Not true.

Yes, it is a choice to drink, but an alcoholic is an alcoholic regardless of whether he/she drinks.

Drinking a lot does not turn someone into an alcoholic. It is often what an alcoholic does to excess.

flag,

You seem like a nice guy so I'm just going to say one more thing about this topic. In my nearly 69 years on this planet, I've found it's important for me to know when to stop arguing with people and simply let them be wrong. Take care.

"What a beautiful day. I think I'll go get cancer!"

So by that logic, you think alcoholics wake up and say, "what a beautiful day! I think I'll drink so much I'll acquire liver cirrhosis and kidney failure and destroy my family and possibly die!"

For real? You think when people take their first drink, that is their goal?

Clubber, I'm not really a nice guy, but thanks.

Nina, thank you for expressing that more eloquently than I could.

Flagooner, thank you. We actually agree on something! Lol ;)

Nina,

You can't be that stupid. But yes, they do make a CHOICE to drink and continue to do so. I would find it extremely unlikely you could find an adult that does not know that drinking in excess can be very bad for you. Same as drugs, smoking, reckless driving, etc. We all make choices that can end up killing us. Some take longer. Sky diving, only shattered an ankle. Motorcycling, only broke the other ankle and a foot. Messing with guns, only shot in the foot. Riding a horse, cracked skull. Weightlifting, torn rotator cuff. Lot's of thing can be bad for you, but all the above were SELF INFLICTED, ergo, I made the choice!

I doubt brain chemistry played any role in you breaking your ankle, the same can't be said for alcoholism. CTE isn't a disease either right, I mean they chose to play football?

I stopped contributing to this discussion the other day as I knew Clubber and I had differing views - and I knew we weren’t going to change each other’s minds.

Alcoholism is a disease. Folks who know they are alcoholics shouldn’t take a drink. The temptation can be overwhelming - as booze has great marketing.

Anyone ever heard of a dry drunk? I guess they get hooked on other things due to an addictive personality.

Clubber,

Please do not ever in your life insinuate that I'm stupid, especially when I'm clearly the one who is right and you are the one in the wrong.

Comparing alcoholism to skydiving and shattering an ankle is so pathetic that it would be hilarious, if it weren't such a fantastic and tragic representation of the lack of your compassion and eduction on addiction.

Let me remind you that when I said alcoholism is a disease just like other diseases that are acquired by an initial choice, citing diabetes and lung cancer, your response was the following:

''They are 'counted' as a disease, but once again, in your example, a choice''

So to you, people who get diabetes and cancer because of their bad life choices are no different than alcoholics and all of those diseases don't matter. It not only proves my point, but is actually disgusting that you paranthesized those diseases, as if cancer and diabetes don't count somehow if they are brought on by unhealthy lifestyles. I never had a problem with you before this, but you having said that makes me think you're kind of an asshole.

I meant quotations. Not "paranthesized."

Must be all the ALCOHOL I drank today.

my experience with booze must be reduced. instead of drinking most all the day i am reducing to one full serving a day.
i like the buzz.
now that i'm retired maybe i'll try some eatables. if i can enjoy a buzz without destroying what's left of my old age... it's worth a try.

Nina,

I said, "You can't be that stupid." That you felt you needed to defend yourself speaks volumes! Obviously, you don't grasp that those were examples of MY CHOICE hurting myself. The same is if I make the choice to drink myself to death.

I've learned one sure thing in life. and that is, it's important to know when to stop arguing with someone and simply let them be wrong. Take care.

"That you felt you needed to defend yourself speaks volumes!"

Are you fucking blind? I always defend myself here. So thank you.

And examples you choosing to hurt yourself only shows that you are admittedly clumsy... injuries from isolated stupid decisions are not comparable to chronic illnesses that alter the brain and body forever.

"I've learned one sure thing in life. and that is, it's important to know when to stop arguing with someone and simply let them be wrong. Take care."

You already said that to someone else on this very thread, you regurgitation machine.

I had to read the article after I read all these comments. It was only her friends who "characterized" the Twitter feed as bullying. Highly speculative. In the Mental Health Community (where I work and live) suicide is considered a diagnosis of mental health issues. I know it sounds funny but killing yourself only appears rational to the irrational ,either temporarily or permanent. Depression is a disease ( No choice in brain chemistry and genetic make-up). Self medication is not unheard of and seemingly practiced by all commentators on this board. Depression has many causes but can lead to bad decisions such as alcohol or drugs. Claiming everything is a choice is an infantile reaction to ones inability to form empathy for others. People who indulge in skydiving or any other dangerous activity have a risk profile and are probably not making independent choices. If you really wish to examine unconscious human motivation and the exercise of free will you will have to start reading up on the subject instead of projecting your bias and insecurities as fact. I recommend "The Consolation of Philosophy" by Boethius as a good start on the subject of the limitations of free will.

Bvino - you provide excellent insight regarding the truth about alcoholism. Sadly I don’t think there is any changing some minds.

I have seen the effects of mental illness and alcoholism on my family - and I know they didn’t choose to be the way they are. In fact - they’d give anything to be able to climb out of the hole they are sinking deeper into. It’s not their choice - not by a long shot!

I am not so arrogant to profess that I am more knowledgeable in the health field than the AMA, so I defer to their finding that alcoholism is a disease.

It is a disease that has no impact on the individual, so long as they don't consume alcohol.

Some complications.

Alcoholism can not be diagnosed until after the alcoholic has alcohol and exhibits the behaviors that are used to diagnosis it.

There is still a stigma tof mental illness so most alcoholics have a reluctance to accept that they have it, similar to schizophrenics.

Our society also encourages a drinking environment, rife with peer pressure to drink.

Unlike schizophrenia, there currently is no medication to keep the symptoms under control.

The one place I will agree with clubber is that it is a choice to drink. Alcoholics should not be given any kind of a pass for what they do under the influence, they are responsible for their actions. I don't think anyone is arguing that part of it.

Cash,

Have you investigated to find out who forced those in your family to drink? I'd have charges filed if you know who they were. Not to make light of alcoholism, just pointing out the obvious that no one if forced to drink, at least not the world I live in.
I have never said that there are not internal forces that may make people continue on a terrible path, but it is still self inflicted.

flag,

I previously to you that I was making my last comment on this topic. However, you surprised me and admitted I was correct all along when you stated, "The one place I will agree with clubber is that it is a choice to drink." See, I told you you seemed to be a nice guy.

Let me clarify - I understand and accept alcoholism is a disease. I also accept mental
Illness as a disease too.

However, being an alcoholic doesn’t absolve a person from responsibility. The things done when an alcoholic is drinking aren’t simply forgiven due to their illness. So - in my view - alcoholism isn’t a “get out of jail free” card.

Murder by social media has been around for awhile now. The first time I learned of it happening, I was shocked. Now I can't even remember the names of all the victims. Anyone arguing this wasn't bullying is ignorant. I read some of the comments. I never knew August Ames. I will say flat out it was bullying.

Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat... seems everyone has a digital identity these days. Everyone's personal info is being put out onto the Internet in naive trust, gathered up and analyzed by corporations and governments, and then used against us in increasingly sophisticated psychological warfare programs.

Everyone's digital profile is being continually compared to everyone else's. It's the ultimate reality show, a spectacle so absorbing that people are so addicted and so engrossed by their smart phones and other electronic media that they are literally walking off of cliffs. Every little bit of digital social recognition triggers a dopamine rush. Like rats pushing levers, we anxiously await our newest online "friend", our next "like", our most recent "comment."

People who use social media are more anxious and more depressed, than those who don't. But what of those who were already anxious and depressed to begin with?

There's been at least three Silicon Valley refugees who have now come forward to issue mea culpas for their roles in first creating and then weaponizing social media, with its attendant destruction of the social fabric of society.

I'd like to submit that the victims we've seen thus far are the canaries in the coal mine. The socially ostracized adolescents, the porn starlets, even those supposedly secure adults who lived a double life and suddenly had that secret life exposed before all the world.

Twitter isn't just a social media platform. It's also a marketing tool. Porn stars use it to advertise themselves, to keep in touch with existing fans, and to hopefully find new ones.

The degenerate, mentally ill homosexuals (and yes, homosexuality IS a mental illness), know this, and that is why they targeted August Ames and many others besides her, to not only attack them socially, but economically as well. This goes far beyond mere bullying.

If you dismiss her as weak, as depressed, that may help you sleep at night, but you are blind fools, if you don't understand that there is an approaching nexus of digital observation and tracking, fed into and analyzed by emerging artificial intelligence, and resulting in predictive programming in the form of an ever more immersive artificial reality.

Looks like cash and I are in agreement on the alcoholism stance so that is the official TUSCL stance.

Well said Flagooner! I just reread your post from yesterday - and you’ve summarized things well.