Hi-Liter and ID scans
rh48hr
Wakanda
I made plans with my fave to visit her tonight at HL. I hadn't seen her in a while and I wanted to see the changes in the club for myself to report back here.
I show up about 830pm and the bouncer asks for ID. I say I don't have it. I never take my license in to the club. He says I'm sure you are old enough but I can't let anyone in without it. I asked will it be scanned? He said yes. I said I don't do that. He gives me the liquor license bullshit and that if they (LE) check he could lose his job and he wasn't going to lose his job over it. Really? You are going to give me that line? Anyway I said I don't allow my id to be scanned and left.
I go to my car and text my fave and let her know I won't be seeing her and why. She says they aren't scanning during the day. So it looks as though I'll have to make plans with her during the day now. If it wasn't for her, HL would be out of my rotation.
Wanted to give everyone a heads up if you are going to HL and don't want your ID scanned to go during the day. Until this policy changes I'll be spending my money elsewhere at night and I'll only be going to see my fave during the day. No more trips just to sample new dancers with the new dance policies on the floor. I'll spend my money at other clubs or I'll just go golfing.
I show up about 830pm and the bouncer asks for ID. I say I don't have it. I never take my license in to the club. He says I'm sure you are old enough but I can't let anyone in without it. I asked will it be scanned? He said yes. I said I don't do that. He gives me the liquor license bullshit and that if they (LE) check he could lose his job and he wasn't going to lose his job over it. Really? You are going to give me that line? Anyway I said I don't allow my id to be scanned and left.
I go to my car and text my fave and let her know I won't be seeing her and why. She says they aren't scanning during the day. So it looks as though I'll have to make plans with her during the day now. If it wasn't for her, HL would be out of my rotation.
Wanted to give everyone a heads up if you are going to HL and don't want your ID scanned to go during the day. Until this policy changes I'll be spending my money elsewhere at night and I'll only be going to see my fave during the day. No more trips just to sample new dancers with the new dance policies on the floor. I'll spend my money at other clubs or I'll just go golfing.
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Or, are they hitting the bar code with a laser scanner?
I'm only a daytime visitor, but still we PLs know our routine, and any change like this which is unnecessary will cause us to go elsewhere with our funding capabilities. Owners/management take note, keep it simple and customers will have a good time without disappointment. Goodbye Hiliter.
azdd - if they wanted to scan my id just BC I'm black and they are profiling I may never return there again.
I would like to know who they are scanning and who they are not. If they are not scanning everyone then that's bs.
And the funny thing is I don't drink.
Safety means different things to different people. Asking people to show their ID for entry is one thing. Retaining their personal information is another.
I have a right to refuse a scan. For me, refusing a scan makes sense from a privacy and security basis.
Other guys have the right to use credit cards, copy their ID, or jump off a bridge if they are so inclined.
Sucks they hassled you. I hope it's simply the difference between two different door guys and nothing else.
The club definitely had a different feel to it. Luckily the girl I spent time with felt the same as last time I saw her.
Among the concerns here: A driver's license has information on it -- e.g., your picture, birthday, and DL # -- that a credit card does not. A stolen credit card can be used to make fraudulent purchases, which you are not even responsible for. The info on a DL can be used for more invasive things. And, remember, 1. SC employees have not exactly shown to be recruited among the most honest in the world, now they can get access to your DL, 2. ignoring that, even companies with top-notch IT departments are vulnerable to hackers, imagine what a soft target a strip club is (or whatever service they're using).
I understand the safety concerns of the club -- can be used to ban rowdy customers, can be used to identify customers who assault someone, can be used to track down someone who skips out on his bill -- and while those are reasonable enough, I don't care, it's not worth the risk to me... unless and until ALL strip clubs use this system and I don't have a choice. As it is, I get to choose
Will use my Mickey Mouse Club card next time!!!
Would you refuse to show your DL in a sports bar? Do you only pay cash there?
I've seen restaurants and bars that use the DL scanners instead of trusting servers to read and enforce. Would you refuse to scan in a regular bar or restaurant?
But I haven't gone to a restaurant yet that has required that level of invasiveness.
It's all good, I enjoy strip clubs but they don't run my life. If all clubs went to scanning ID's I can move on without a problem.
If all they want to do us look at my id, no problem. scanning I just won't go for. We tell PL's all the time not to use credit cards because of how that information could be used by a club. And we've seen those stories. I think this could be worse In how it could be used. Maybe I'm paranoid but I'd rather be safe than sorry.
SJG
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I think everyone here understands flashing your ID for an employee to see it is radically different than a scanner which can easily record your presence inside the strip club.
Membership clubs means BYOB or no alcohol, but no more selling alcohol. But it makes it very hard for LE to regulate anything sexual.
SJG
If a rule is a rule is a rule, then the time of day doesn't matter for shit. If they are required to scan (for liquor license, insurance, security or whatever), then those reasons are as valid at 3 pm as they are at 11 pm.
Again, I call bullshit. I ask to speak with the owner, if present, and explain why they don't get my money. I will gladly show my ID, but you're not capturing my image or data. Nope.
I cannot remember ever having my ID scanned at one of their Tucson clubs, and nearly always scanned at their Albuquerque clubs. Hit and miss at HiLiter. From the sounds of it, hit and miss at Bandaids as well.
This really is confusing and the company seems to have no idea what is going on across the business.
Thus, even mainstream businesses are starting to use the scanner as we get closer to all 50 states having implemented the new fed guidelines and the scanners will be universal on all DLs
While skipping out on checks doesn't usually have the "per check" size at a regular place as it does at a strip club, it can still be sizeable. Even if a DL scanner doesn't keep a record, the thought that it might could cut down on skipped checks significantly. Doesn't help with the non-alcoholic related sales, but I guess businesses will try to reduce loss wherever they can.
Clubs operate in a murky area of fake names and fake interest - and most transactions are cash (to limit the ability to trace one’s activity). When scanning id’s they are getting a bit too personal for me.
I don’t trust my personal information with strip club management. What if the club owner falls on hard times - and needs money for operations? It might be easy to sell that list of customers (gotten from id scans) to several porn sites. Then you will start getting odd mailings at your home.
There is no legal recourse if they misuse your information - since they never provided any documentation regarding why it was being scanned in the first place. It would be difficult for your interaction with “Billy Brass Knuckles” - and him grunting yes and no - to be considered reliable testimony at trial.
If using a credit card - and the card is good for a specific drink/entertainment limit - and the customer signs the receipt - then it should be fine.
CP
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I respect people's reasons for objecting to the idea scans. But I believe that it makes places safer, and I believe that the membership club model, borrowed from swingers clubs, will make for vastly superior US strip clubs. FKK / Tijuana grade!
SJG
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" I had always thought that they record ID's in the chance that you use a credit card and later decline all charges, claiming you didn't go to a strip club and that it was fraudulent activity. "
I don't think so..... You don't see Walmart scanning everyone's ID because a handful of people might try to claim they charged too much on a credit card.
If that were the actual reason, a far better solution would be to have the enjoyed who runs the credit card require the customer to show their ID......
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If you're looking for good contact two way dances you'll be disappointed, because that's what many veteran customers are accustomed to, except those that are VIP regulars. Those PLs will continue to get the same treatment spending $200-$300 for 20 minutes of satisfaction. Sex is still cheaper for me at other outlets to keep me from visiting the establishment. Floor dances are a waste of time, unless you're looking to set up OTC.
I think I've only gotten scanned once or twice at HL but it was night visits. Rarely asked for ID during the day but it was always the same guys at the door. I have on occasion walked right past the door guy and into the club as he was checking a customer ID. And they were white guys to boot so I don't know if they're going by skin color. As my tuscl handle implies I am Native American. I'm almost always dressed in casual business attire so that may have something to do with it as well. I know I "profile" people based upon their appearance or attire. Unkempt clothes vs slacks and shirt and I know who I'll keep an eye on more.
My suggestion is if they are going to scan and you don't want them to, just refuse. Ask if it's really necessary and see if other staff might be able to assist especially if you're a somewhat regular. If still no go, then just walk away. No need for making a scene, but a stern "This is bullshit." as you walk away is fine. Then get a nice meal somewhere with your savings.