progression of most dancers...
poledancer83
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Someone recently asked me what the life expantancy was for a dancer. now i know they were asking about how long they would be able to work but it got me thinking about how dancers start vs how they finish their time inside a strip club. No little girl say that her dream job is stripping. No college student wants to dance. The motivation for becoming a stripper is money. across the board money makes girls strip. The first few years its a job with great money and hours that fit for most college girls or girls with families that need attention during the day. But at some point there is a shift. Girls seek attention. Its almost a learned skill after a year or so of dancing. Money remains important but attention becomes a close second. Eventually that attention stops and alot of girls move to drugs or drinking to cope. Family and friends shun dancers for nothing more then getting paid for being naked. Sometimes more happens then that. Then some decide to dance to support habits. At the end of a dancers career its about one of two things. Hatred or acceptance. Hatred of adult entertainment, men, drugs etc. or acceptance of knowing you did what you did and your now out. Either way their lives will be changed forever just by choosing a short career in dancing.
Just a word: No two dancers are right but this is my take on things. and also as most know im not a customer shamer one bit. Girls make decisions and we live with them but this is something that i was requested to write and hope i touched on it well. PS i take suggestions for post also.
Just a word: No two dancers are right but this is my take on things. and also as most know im not a customer shamer one bit. Girls make decisions and we live with them but this is something that i was requested to write and hope i touched on it well. PS i take suggestions for post also.
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Another question, you mentioned college several times in your post. Again take 20 girls in an average club, how many of them are college students. By college students I mean currently enrolled, I’m not counting the girl that did one semester, dropped out 4 years ago and keeps telling everyone she’s going back into school. That girl certainly doesn’t count as a college student.
Could also be the sex with customers and the drugs. I know just rumors that some girls really do those things.
Dougster. yeah that does happen alot but why is that a reason for family to shun someone . My point is this is all part of some dancers progession
I believe you! Just responding back!
Now I'm sure there are clean girls who don't drink, do drugs, extras, etc. But I would imagine they are quite the minority.
It's sad when you think of how lives can be affected on both sides of the spectrum.
But most of them eventually come back once they realize that the real world kinda sucks: either the civilian job didn't pay enough, or they were late and/or high all the time, or the relationship with the guy didn't work out, whatever. So they come back to the club. Except now they're older. Sure they're still attractive, but you know how guys are: they want young, they want new. So now she has to do extras if she wants to earn the same amount of money that she used to earn from just dancing as a fresh-faced newcomer. If only she had sucked some dick 10 years ago and saved her money, she wouldn't have to be doing this now in her 30s or 40s. It's a sad story, but it seems to happen all the time, and the TUSCL board is probably filled with stories about it. Anyway, that's the progression I've noticed through the years. Once in a great while, I meet a stripper who actually is a college student. But the real education they get is learning that it's never too soon to start selling your ass.*
* I mean, as long as she's an adult.
I will just say this and maybe I'm rong. Who knows. The 40% clean sounds kinda accurate. But if all you see is "extras" strippers or strippers grinding patrons and being groped for $5 or $10 a song, I'm sure the percentage of strippers that have to be high or drunk is a lot higher. Personally I don't notice a widespread rampant drug and alcohol abuse in the "clean" clubs. Sure there are still dancers "under the influence" at these "clean" clubs but I'd imagine it's much easier to deal with that stuff sober than what goes on at extras clubs and cheap dives. Just my observations. Could also be they are on something but not out of their mind and I can't tell the difference.
I think you've made excellent points. I think of dancers in a two-faced way - as I don't think dancers and any sex workers shouldn't be looked down upon as they work hard for their money - but the converse is that I wouldn't want my daughter to be a dancer. So my hypothetical view falls apart when put to the test.
I have a follow up question, if you don't mind. What percent of strippers actually bank some money through the life cycle rather than just blow it all? I assume that, unfortunately, a pretty low number have much saved up from their adventures but I'm curious as to your take.
Chess, I'm not sure I agree. IME, at non-extras alcohol clubs, close to 95% of the girls drink every single shift, at least to the point of buzzed if not drunk. No, they don't have to deal psychologically with the idea of extras, but 1. there's no extras, so socializing is a huge part of the experience, many customers want to drink with the girls, 2. the easy availability of alcohol plus social pressure over bonding with other strippers means any downtime often leads to drinking.
In short, IME, if a girl absolutely insists on not drinking, it's far easier to do that in a nude club where the only pressure to drink is in the lockerroom, than it is in a no-extras topless alcohol club where everyone else is drinking and her revenue directly depends on drinking.
I also got the impression she was making some tradeoffs to have more reliable income and support a child. It was better to know regulars at a small club than to work a large one for strangers and have highly variation night-to-night in income.
Having said that, I've also learned to avoid the topic in talking with strippers (or escorts) as I think it's demeaning to give them my "wisdom" unless they've asked for it. As well intentioned as it might be, I think unsolicited help sends the message that I have a low opinion of them and it only makes matters worse. Sorry for veering from the main point of the thread.
Once a girl strips say into her mid 20s, and still doesn't have a basic college degree, even an associates, realistically her employment options dwindle. Yes, she can still go to school, but at this age with higher responsibilities and expenses and quite possibly a child or more, and several years removed from the academic setting, it only becomes harder and more expensive (as it drags on) to earn a degree. She has literally no other work history and is basically competing for minimum wage level jobs. She then has about a 15 year window, realistically less than that, as most strippers don't last that long as strippers, to earn and save as much as she can to retire early (unlikely) or start her own business (less, but still unlikely). Some girls really do develop a lot of good business skills, marketing and salespersonship working in the club, but they still usually need considerable savings to start a business which is still much more likely to fail than succeed in the long term (something like 1 out of 10). The even more likely, but still unlikely option is to marry someone that can support her (and possibly children) financially.
The most probable option is that she eventually turns to straight up hooking to support herself (and her children until they're grown) until that's no longer viable. i have no idea when the average age of that is, but it largely depends on how well she takes care of herself.
So that's probably the double edged sword of the world of stripping (not including the darker elements of prostitution and drug use or the background of abuse many if not most strippers come from). If they do too well, they turn it into a career which in the long run usually turns out badly. If they do not that well, but okay, they still do it for a while, but don't really enjoy the benefits of it (more free time in their youth, money to enjoy it, higher standard of living) and have nothing to show for the 5-10 years of their life except treating it as just another modest paying job before they transition to another one. If they do real badly, they just get out.
IME its WAY better for a girl to get out within 2-3 years even if she went hard during that time, the psychological damage alone is enough. Hanging around the biz on a steady basis beyond that leads her down that dark path few return from.
@DDiggler, good write up the way out for them, hit largely on the head. I've been that guy to take her out the life before, but unless she is willing to make a TOTAL break from it, and still has enough humanity left in her, its a fools errand. Woe be the PL who marries an experienced stripper no matter what level she's on. They all wind up in the gutter dives at some point in their career. And that follows her like she's been sprayed by multiple skunks simultaneously. Impossible to get away from. Most of us can spot it out in the wild immediately.
She kept her moonlighting stripping largely a secret (from most of her bank colleagues), but I knew about it after I'd watched her dance several times. It's an odd circle - as my boss started fucking her - and he offered her services to me - so I took several turns with her (to be a team player).
She definitely has issues regarding her body - as she's had quite a few plastic surgery procedures done. She was a good looking blonde - with large fake tits - but now she has the look of a woman who has had lots of work done.
She's most likely part of the 1% of girls who got out and were successful in other areas. I'm not sure if she would admit to her past life - if asked in a social conversation - but it would be interesting to see her reaction.
The stigma that dancers feel, and the fact that they come to crave attention, these are some of the reasons why dancers and I usually get along very well, and that they often just open right up to me.
No matter high high of a mileage the venue is, and no matter how forward the girl is being, I always treat them completely as civilians, and I never act like money buys them, buys their affections, or that they sell sexual services. Always 100% civilian, like I was just meeting her at a college party.
And I never pass up the opportunity of approaching the girl myself, and in front of her fellow dancers.
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Again, understanding this is why more often than not dancers will really open up to me.
SJG
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Progression: Clean dancer. Broke clean dancer. Extras dancer. Whore. John Smith's DS. 26-year old ex-DS. Clubber's CF. Drugged-out crack whore.
She wasn't broke (LEXUS THEN MB SLK), no drugs, no extras. Age WAS 28. :)
I dunno, the generations are changing. For a girl born in 1965, thinking about it when she's at college in 1985, the idea of working in a strip club would indeed have been a fall from grace. She would be disappointed, find the idea almost abhorrent. But for a girl born in 1995 considering it in 2015? I think the kinky experimental side of stripping, and the take-your-own-life side of it, and the don't-need-a-man but rather take-advantage-of-males side of it, might actually be enticing, instead of negative.
I don't think any of them WANT to become drug-addicted or to get dependent on anything. And I think everyone, male or female, any generation, would sensibly WANT more options rather than fewer, of it's a sane person. But all those career-questions included -- don't want to be in a goddamned office; like to make my own hours; making my own choices; etc. -- may be tipping strippers to the mainstream.
Thing is, I don't think it's ever gonna end. The lure of that great money will always leave an attractive option for a young beautiful woman. And surely there will always be PLs like myself willing to spend the cash to get next to these beautiful woman that we'd otherwise never find ourselves close to.
So where does that leave us? Will anything change in the future? Myself I doubt it.