Keeping Track of Songs

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I personally like to announce it during lapdances. “Okay that was the first song,” “okay that was the 3rd song” that way there’s no issues and we are in agreement so there’s no disagreement at the end.

Another thing I do when I sit down for a lapdance is say “I’m gonna pay you $100 (usually that’s 4 or 5 songs) when that money runs out ask me if I wanna quit or continue.”

I do the same as Shaylynn..it's helpful

It's easier to keep track if you nut yourself within two songs.

I keep count at the end of each song - and I mention it to the dancer too. I'll say something like - "That's one - right?" - "Ready for another? That's two so far." - and I wait for the dancer to reply before continuing. It generally helps to avoid surprises.

I sometimes get lost in the passion of the dance and have no idea of the count. Usually this happens around dance 3 or 4 and my brain still functions enough to ask her the count. I rarely ever go over 4 dances. If they are that good, I bring up VIP. There have been a couple of times that we both lost count but came up with an acceptable count.

I remember how San Francisco moved from lap sitting to booths and buying dances. It radically increases the cost, and it lowers the friendliness factor. Lap sitting was better because it was unstructured and open ended.

So with booths, I've always prepaid, to avoid problems.

Buying dances is a chump's game! Its for guys who just want to get clipped.

Select and approach the girl yourself. Feed her front room money to show good intentions and to let her loosen up. Get to know her and get a front room makeout session going.

Then, if available, you invite her to the VIP room, for FS.

Then take her home with you to continue, and also keep on seeing her regularly.

SJG

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And when inviting her to the back room, wait until it gets to where its time for your own pants to come down. Meaning, let her get to the boiling point, where she really wants nothing except to be fucked.

SJG

San Jose Guy have you ever even got a lapdance before. Let me find you a forum on Lego building blocks, you’d probably fit in better over there you fucking idiot.

Shailynn, your 192 proof Everclear bottle is calling you.

SJG

^^^^^^^ If you had experiences with women when they let their defenses down and get civilian, you would not be saying such.

SJG

Too bad Papi isn't here. He is the king of song information.

Once you get the girl to lower her defenses, and once you stop buying dances but instead invite her to the VIP room, it will be for a bigger block of time. You don't have to count songs, you just need to watch the clock.

Buying dances is not conducive to getting very intimate. For one thing the time of a song is too short, and also she is under pressure to deliver, so you have to let her lead it. This is why just sitting with you is better. No built in structure.

You only need booths or back rooms when it is time for your own pants to come down.

If the clubs you go to don't have girls who you'd like to get to lower their defenses and get civilian with you, you need to go to some other clubs, or just go some place else.

Most guys who don't want much emotionally intimacy with the girls are like that because they divide women into two categories.

The girls are at least 18yo, and presumable so are you, so I am not saying that being the typical strip club mark is immoral. But I am saying that it is pathetic.

Strip clubs are designed to separate marks from their money. The most extreme kind are known as clip joints. As I see it, the places that try to get you to buy dances are the modern version of a clip joint. And the real issue is, do they try to limit front room physicality, just to force you into the booths and back rooms.

At the most extreme of US dives they do not do this. Girls are competing with each other to get you to go for back room FS. So their approach makes very little use of spoken words.

The way to break out of the box is to use talk + money + plus just being open and respectful with the girl to get her to open up sitting with you in the front room. The best of this is an intense front room makeout session.

At our local clubs all touching is prohibited. But such makeout sessions still sometimes occur, because girls know that this is the way to line up an immediate OTC. The girls who seek this are extremely good at makeout sessions. :) :) :)

SJG

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Strip clubs are designed for taking money off of marks. But the good thing about them, the part that is 100% real, is the girls. No matter how they might come across initially, if you treat them like civilians and also respect that fact that they are there to make money, you will find that they are exactly what they appear to be, beautiful young women accustomed to dolling up and slut wear, and who can really blow your mind.

SJG

Well this forum is filled with LDKers. A few are honest about this, but most not.

In LDKing the girls is not really opening herself up to you. She's just accepting your money and doing as you ask.

Paying for ejaculation services is merely paying money to exacerbate your own sexual frustration.

SJG

Is there ever a thread where SJG doesn't wander in and try and thread jack it to "how we do it all wrong" sheez. I've had him on ignore for a few weeks now

Just simple experience there Lurker_X. Sorry if it hurts you to hear it.

Buying dances is for chumps, and it makes you look pathetic in the eyes of beautiful young women.

SJG

Just a. Stupid question @SJG what does any of your bullshit have to do with keeping track of dances or songs ? Stop being a stupid fucktard.

Sirdancealot you remind me of me when I first got here. After my first encounter with SJG o tried to reason rationally with him. But after a few more times of this you realize he absolutely, positively does not understand that his idea of fun may not be someone else's idea of fun. It is utterly pointless to try to convince him. Look through the history or LDK threads and he is in every single one spouting the same bullshit. I even suggested that he just avoid threads dealing with LDK but nope, he enters every single thread.

Which is why my responses to him these days resemble all the other long time poster responses to him: FUCK OFF, SJG!

Now to be on topic, I find myself trying to keep track of songs but when the dancer is doing an amazing job I lose focus. Sure happened last night with all the 3 for $40 dances I got. Guess that's a PL skill I have to hone: totally enjoying the dances and still being able to somehow keep track of songs.

I started SCing in Dallas in the 2000s and in the 10 years I lived there I SCed there pretty-regularly and never really had any issues w/ song-lengths or over-counts (that I can recall, or noticed).

Moved back-home to Miami end of '09 but did not start hitting the clubs hard till around the time I joined TUSCL in early-2012 - this is when I started hitting the all-black MIA clubs more-regularly which are a different animal.

Not uncommon in many a black strip-club IME for the DJ to think he's in a hip-hop club instead of a strip-club and for him to start mixing-and-cutting songs and cutting them as short as 30-seconds w/ the dancer telling you "that's a new song" every 30 or 45 seconds.

One eve in early 2012 I was at a small MIA all-black club - a dancer had been dancing me no more than 3-minutes but I was having a hard-time keeping track of the song-breaks - I ask her if were were still in the first song and she tells me we've done 4-songs already - I ask her to stop and pay her (luckily only $5/dance) - I sit back, take out my cell and open the stopwatch app - start listening to the songs closely and sure enough every fucking song the fucking DJ was cutting at 30 or 45 seconds trying to impress the crowd w/ his DJ skills w/ no mind or care there are custies that get dances and paying per song.

I mostly hit all-black clubs where the DJ talks all the time instead of just b/w songs as in a normal club - so one can't key off of him - also he bleeds songs together w/ no hard-break thus very hard to tell which song is which especially for older custies unfamiliar w/ modern hip-hop music.

It was at that time in 2012 that I started asking dancers b/f they start dancing for me to tell me every time they start a new song - and I also often turn on my cell ph stopwatch to see what kind of value/song-lengths I'm getting - even this way some bitches still have the gall to over-count (they'll tell you it's song 3 and 3-minutes later tell you it's song 6, but this happens less-often). It sucks to have to do this but I prefer it to going thru an argument over song-count.

TFP, Sirlapdance. and Twentyfive, sure you can go into a strip club and buy dances. But if it is a fairly lose club and where girls will typically sit on your lap, that is a phenomenal opportunity to get friendly with her and keep it entirely civilian, while at the same time still respecting that she is there to make money. The front room is completely unstructured.

So you guys have your head up your asses and you look ridiculous, when you talk about buying dances.

SJG

Tied up in political matters now.

Mary Jane frequently fucks up my song count. Not a problem, though, because I trust strippers.

^^^^^ beautiful! I'm mainly talking about the spooning/assjob with the DS. Oh, and I guess putting SJG in his place is cool also. Lol.

I had my first dick out between her ass cheeks dances at Follies a couple weeks ago and it was a wonderful thing. I just might be able to LDK from that.

SirLapdancealot, If this was like the first time you met the girl yes. But you keep seeing her in the club, and in the club only, that makes you a Pathetic Looser!

Pathetic Looser, even if TFP is too stupid to see it.

SJG

Sir, have you seen his ongoing book topic where he keeps posting on and on basically to himself? It gives you a idea of the kind of person you're trying to reason with here.

There's something clearly wrong in that head of his. I truly think that one day I will hear of a madman who went crazy in San Jose and was incarcerated or worse and then we'll mysteriously never see another post from SJG again.

Now to make an on topic post. I was reading reviews of Deja Vu COI as part of my research for possible club stops last week. I was surprised to read that they actually have machines that you pay that regulate the dances. Putting in $20 during the day gives you a straight 4 minute time limit, no matter how long the song is. So that wipes out the chance of the dancer shorting you in songs. Only disadvantages I see are it also means a dancer can't show some love by giving you extended time. And it seems like such a mechanical process that it might be off putting.

I was tempted to stop by just to check it out. But I didn't like what the reviews were saying about the quality of girls and the experience.

Sirlapdance and TFP, fucking idiots, guys who pay money to be able to be made fools up and to look pathetic in front of beautiful girls.

You two give me the creeps!

SJG

Focusing on the ladies is why one ends up in makeout sessions, and with the door opened to whatever after, instead of just being a fool and getting their wallet drained.

SJG

To be able to make music like this! Don't know who the girls is, but if she is around when it is time to take a picture...

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SJG

Lol I'm done even talking to that SJG dude. He's probably the weirdest person I've ever encountered on the net.

Sir, I was just trying to get you to not waste your time trying with SJG as well. But at least in your clashes with him you tell some awesome stories about your strip club exploits. SJG never posts anything about his experiences....and I suspect it's because he doesn't have any. Instead, he spends all his time posting to himself in his many threads in here that are pages long. That no one else responds to, other than to ridicule him. Front room make out sessions were something he read about and turned him on and now he preaches it to everyone like scripture. Dude has probably never felt a female tongue in his mouth ever.

@Sir "I am talking about clothed spooning and sitting at the bar or at a table with my ATF DS. "

Oh yeah, got some of that, too, and you're absolutely right. I like it when the stools next to me are occupied so the dancer has to sit on my lap (if the club allows it) or spoons against me by standing in front, back toward me.

The girl in question did this between our dances and still reached around behind to pull me out and Nestle me between her cheeks. She's not really a DS, but it was still pretty hot.

That things go well with a girl on the first visit to her strip club is great. But to keep on seeing her only at her strip club is what makes one a Pathetic Looser!

SJG

me keeping a song count. next to impossible.

Sir, once again, just like me. One time for sake of argument, I tried to get him just to answer one silly question. He posted about 7 more times, not a single one of them answering that one damn question.

It's even funnier here because it's the TOPIC OF THE THREAD! All we want him to do is make ONE on topic post. He is so ridiculous that he can't even do that.

"Buying dances is for chumps." is about 98% of sjgs posts. The other 2% are nonsense nobody cares about and him mostly talking to himself.

^^^^all of the thousands of SJG posts summed up in one sentence.

2 sentences actually lol.

Ok so once again for the thread topic, I'm gonna see if I can do a better job keeping track of songs. Then again, fuck it. I already know it's gonna cut into my enjoyment of the dances. The only rule I use and I think everyone already does is to never start a dance on the song it is currently on. Even if one is about to end and I ask for a dance, just wait for that entire next song to be done and then start. If she won't do that, I don't need a dance from her anymore. It shows she's not even willing to chill for a few minutes and do some small talk. A major turn off to me, I don't care how fine she is. Thankfully no woman has ever done that.

And all in the strip club, instead of elsewhere.

Does your wife need a process server, is that what the problem is?

SJG

I always pay up front, so it is not as big of an issue.

But also, you SirLapDance need to get your brain working. My point is that buying dances is a chump's game. Wrong way to interact with a girl.

SJG

You are a chump SirLapdance, and you are a creep too.

If you and any ordinary experiences with women, you would not go to strip clubs and seek LDK's, nor would you let them sell you dances. Nothing wrong with them trying, as they are there to make money. But a guy with common sense will steer it to front room intimacies.

Save buying dances and back rooms until you have a front room makeout session going and it is time for your own pants to come down.

You might notice I am posting less and less. That's because we have lots of new people on this board, talking about essentially the same things which were hashed over two years ago.

SJG