Dad's, you better triple the daughter's allowance

No doubt. With all the porn on the Internet I used to wonder if there were any 20-25 YO ladies without a sex tape making he rounds.

Yep, I've had two students from wealthy families, and there's very little stigma attached to this sort of thing. I was telling @Dugan recently in another thread that he better not piss away his daughter's college funds....

It's true. I've tactfully asked a few off-limits, civvie young women what they thought of such activities, and they all hinted at being open to it.

I expected "Gross! I'm not a prostitute." but that was not the response. I also asked wouldn't it be gross to be intimate with dudes older than your dad and they all said something like "well, if they had money". No shame. Impossible to understand culture.

Interesting thread and probably accurate. I guess speaking from my experience many of the girls I have hooked up with are either not interested in or scared of working in a strip club for whatever reason. They are also not interested in escorting for even more concerns. They are just looking for that one guy that will help them out and have fun with. Some have the typical tough family situation but some others do not. There are plenty though waiting for their fantasy unicorn to show up and sweep them away with stupid $$$ and probably for the most part just dont get what they are asking for and move on. There are also plenty not looking for sex at all but just want to hang out with what I would call an EPL (Extreme Pathetic Loser). But yes, a wider population of girls I would say are taking the opportunity to market themselves to gents with money to burn.

True, in the SD world, EPL's are called unicorns. The media portrays them as old lonely dudes willing to pay a honey 10k a month for a platonic lunch once in awhile. Problem is, this fallacy attracts many a young honey into the wolves den.

The media seems to portray this activity in only one of two extremes. It is hard core exploitative escorting or fairy tale platonic BS. The truth mostly lands in the middle. Bizarre times for real.

Reminded of the old joke
Man: if I gave you a million dollars, would you have sex with me ?
Woman: Yes.
M: How about for $50 ?
W: what kind of woman do you think I am ?
M: we've already established that, now we're just haggling on price

Yes, it's a little scary how many "regular girls" I've met, including some who seemed to be on a success track, which would indicate a higher probability that their parenting wasn't terrible

Basically, this:
https://goo.gl/images/SvGDgH

Seems like both parties are in denial, living a fantasy. Woman convinces herself and her friends that she is receiving appreciative gifts for her company. Man convinces himself he is desirable and the money is a token of gratitude and affection. Both of them believe they are in control. Somewhere down the road, reality will set in for both of them.

Funny pictures.

In the organization I am building, things will be very different.

SJG

"Man convinces himself he is desirable..."
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Fortunately that kind of delusional behavior never happens in strip clubs or on TUSCL.

I've been mentioning to strippers that I'm on SA looking for a sugarbaby, to very good effect.

Here's a question I have, and the only group I trust to answer is tuscl, given the uncompromising high ethical standards and integrity shown here.

I've been thinking of subtly expanding my SA System(tm) to civilians, and I'm trying to decide if it's genius, or if this is basically an unethical intrusion and sexual harassment. Example: there is this gorgeous young waitress at a local restaurant who my buddies and I regularly talk to. Recently, she let slip that she was having some troubles coping. This was probably just her way of saying, "hey, old guys, if you're going to flirt with me, and you want me to play along, you have to tip better." On the other hand, maybe not. I was thinking of letting her "catch me" on SA as she walked up, to see if asks about it; or maybe, just like with strippers, somehow smoothly slip into the conversation that I"m looking for a sugarbaby.

My ultimate decision was: unwanted intrusion, she's a civilian, don't do it. But I"m wondering if I'm leaving some amazing opportunities on the table. A number of the sugarbabies I have met claim to have met their initial sugardaddy at work or otherwise organically, so maybe the mere mention isn't unethical? Whatcha think?

Depending on how comfortable you are with her, you could always try to open the door by asking her how work's going or if she's been working a lot lately. She may respond yes and give a reason why (rent, saving for a trip, etc.).

You could then joke, "Sounds like you need a sugar daddy, lol." and see how she responds. "Ew, gross" probably means she's not interested. =)

I'm interested in @Subra's question, too. Most recent case was this 20-yr-old who cut my hair last week. I feel perfectly comfortable bringing the subject up with a stripper, but not out in the wild. @Wildbourbon's suggestion is only mildly creepy.

You would think someone making $10/hr cutting hair might be open to sugaring???

I think Subra's scenario is an easy one...."Sounds like you need a SD. Please let me know how I can apply for the position." Do it as discretely as possible and try to leave a phone number.

The greater challenge & risk is cold approaching a honey in public with a similar offer. After knowing how many honeys are open to an arrangement, it is extremelely tempting to try and be smooth to some young honey in a civie public setting.

I've never really done it but I swear these honeys put out a vibe that they're open to it. Probably just wishful thinking on my part.

Yeah, I'm making fun of it but I am honestly interested in people's views. Here's another one:

Your (regular, civilian) massage therapist is very attractive, and her hands are getting awfully close to your private parts. Do you proposition her? My answer to this is: never, under any circumstances; it's unethical to risk traumatizing (and that's what it does) a civilian CMT by propositioning her. That also means no hints like arching your back, or llow moaning. You want a happy ending, there's a zillion bodyrub girls who welcome your business and openly advertise. Civilian CMTs are off limits

But saying "I'm looking for a sugarbaby" is NOT the same thing as "I'd like a handjob".... is it? Especially if there's no direct proposition. On the other hand, no reason to pretend: the girls know exactly why you're mentioning SA, or why SA happened to be on your phone when she walked up.

L_W, that may well have worked. I've known her long enough that I could say it casually and jokingly, and she could probably just take it as a joke.

Of course, another answer here is: since I was with my buddy and #1 wingman, and HE has an even better relationship with her, I could have told him to let it slip to her that I"m looking for an SB, so we get the double indirection. Benefit of having good wingmen. Like I said, I didn't execute, but am still questioning that decision...

@Subra: No, I'm with you. I would make not hint of extras or mention being a SB.

In that scenario, I would start talking about her favorite restaurants in the area. If she engages, I would start talking about how fun its going to be when we go there and what we are going to order. "Of course you would have to miss work so I would gift $".

I've never tried this but its probably what I would do. The goal would just be to get her number.

"I could have told him to let it slip to her that I"m looking for an SB"

Perfect.

-->"I've never really done it but I swear these honeys put out a vibe that they're open to it. Probably just wishful thinking on my part."

Again, I'm not sure this is wishful thinking. A good number of SBs I've been on dates with, have told me their first entry into this was someone they met while working or otherwise going about their civilian lives. Which means there's some % of hot civilians walking around who ARE open to it. We just have to figure out 1. how to read the signs, 2. proposition in such a way that it doesn't traumatize or upset her, if we fucked up on step 1.

"2. proposition in such a way that it doesn't traumatize or upset her, if we fucked up on step 1."

Absolutely. Have to figure out way to convey I'm not a delusional old fat dude thinking he can actually civie date a hot young honey. No, its p4p honey, but you're not a prostitute and I'm not a creepers.

I see no risk in this. lol

You guys are making sound easy to get a SB. I live near the University of Michigan (44,000 students) and Eastern Michigan University (21,000 students). So there must be about 32,500 coed honeys in my neighborhood. Would some of them like to have a relationship with a good-looking older gentlemen who would treat them with generosity and respect? And even more importantly, would some of them like to have a relationship with me?

Right? lol

@jackslash - I would think you would be like a kid-in-a-candy-store given that scenario. Careful though, once you open the door to all that fineness, there is no going back. Ever.

I'm sure my perspective is too rooted in 20th century behavior, but I would think putting a label on it like Suger Baby, Sugar Daddy or Sugering would run off most civis. I would think offering to pay for events/experiences they might enjoy and cannot afford (concert, dinner, travel, expensive wine, etc.) will not come across as creepy.

Finding 20-somethings open to fucking older dudes in exchange for perks is far more likely to happen (and less sounding like something easily judged as negative, ie, prostitution) than announcing you are a potential Suger Daddy.

Plus, I just hate the "Daddy" tag.

Kind of like what Lone_Wolf suggests . . .

"...but I would think putting a label on it like Sugar Baby, Sugar Daddy or Sugaring would run off most civis."
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IDK, it's so mainstream now and the label doesn't really carry the negative connotations.

You should take one of these girls on one of your trips, @JackSlash. Most of these girls would be thrilled to go with you.

My latest is 19 and another econ major. She's interested in finance or law. Seeing her tomorrow.

pk, I actually think it's the reverse, if anything:

Pretending your slick and just offering out of the blue to pay for stuff for a pretty young girl = creepy. And she knows what you're up to, and suspicious as to why you're trying to be slick about it.

Mentioning you're looking for a sugarbaby = open and honest, but not insulting and no negative connotations (unlike, say, the word "prostitute").

I'm with you in that I hate the term "daddy", and when girls have "will you be my daddy" on their profile, I tend to swipe right past them, almost as fast as I swipe past the girls with nose rings

There's no doubt that SA is the best combination of quality and cost in the current pussy market. These girls are as hot if not hotter than strippers, they actually have their shit together, and they don't know what their worth. You can get the equivalent of an OTC stripper date, no clock watching, GFE, at BP prices.

A couple of thoughts from my part of the world. I recently met a very attractive, smart 21 year old coed. We live in different cities so we discussed an arrangement different than others. She is very motivated by cash yet simply stunning and very intelligent as well. We finally agreed to a price that was much higher than any I have ever paid a girl. Much higher. But I was willing to give it a shot. She texted recently that she met another "sponsor" who was willing to pay more than twice what she and I had agreed on and she now realizes her true worth. Well, that guy is either a fool or has way more money than sense. Either way he just saved me a shit ton of cash. There are plenty of other coeds out there.

As for approaching civilian girls for a SB arrangement, that may not be out of the realm of possibility? I've heard of it happening. I would guess you would have to have some quality face time with her while she doesn't get any pervy vibe at all. A waitress at Twin Peaks is probably not going to be a primary target as they get hit on constantly.

One alternative might be to ask her if any of her friends have ever talked about being a SB? Because you have a friend who has recently been talking about it and you've never known anyone who has done it. You are wondering what it's all about? This might be a safe way to introduce the subject without being too pervy?

But probably having a wingman bring it up is a great idea.

I'm amazed at the number of "amateur" young women doing porn these days (MILFs and matures, too). There's so many porn sites and hundreds, if not thousands of videos, not to mention all the ads with hot young women. I'm surprised I haven't seen anyone from my neighborhood pop up in one of those videos.
I sometimes wonder if some are college students needing cash for tuition. But those girls would probably be more discrete, like call girls or sugar babies, as opposed to having their faces exposed on the web.

I would be afraid to directly ask a normal girl if she wanted to be a sugar baby. Didn't some old dude just get arrested for doing that on a beach?

For subraman's situation with the waitress I think he should just tip her very very well to show that he has money to spend and then just ask her out someplace fancy.

Increasing the daughters allowance might not help. Women love money and can't get enough of it.

@LM "
There's no doubt that SA is the best combination of quality and cost in the current pussy market. These girls are as hot if not hotter than strippers, they actually have their shit together, and they don't know what their worth."

Dang, LM, I need to move to your city. I've been working SA here in Atlanta for a year now and have not seen this at all. The really hot ones don't seem to be motivated only by money (I would do dates for $300 per date, but I'm not attracted to you), or they want way too much money (one of the few hot ones that talked to me long enough to get to money talk wanted $2k per month upfront allowance for 2 dates a month and couldn't host so there would still be hotel costs on top of that).

As much as I like SB dating, I can get 2 BBBJs a week at Follies for that kind of money.

@subraman and lone_wolf
I like your ideas, but given my marital status I would think there is more danger of getting entangled with an SB that wants the MRS upgrade if you're talking to single civvie girls. I want my SBs to understand up front that I don't want to keep them, I just want to borrow them for a while.

Here's a possible approach line, paraphrased from one of my favorite books, that might work on coeds:

I'm in the business of providing scholarships to exceptionally friendly female students.

But, now that I've typed it out, it sounds a little creepier than I thought it would.

joc: just the fact that you have the self-awareness to realize how creepy that is, puts you ahead of most people here :) I think a lot of lines sound totally smooth in my head, like I can imagine Brad Pitt saying it to his leading lady, and then if I say it out loud or write it down, it sounds like something a guy in a creepy clown suit would say :)

I do think that a light conversational tone, rather than a "line", would work best.

In my case, since my civvy was a waitress who is waiting on us and working for tips, I'm extra extra careful -- she's a captive audience, and as you can see above, I worry about how fair I'm being to her. It's not as if she were a random civvy who could just walk away. I mean, handle it wrong, she could go in the back, bust into tears, and now have to come back out and wait on my table, as well as 8 other tables. Both fairness, as well as how horrible a person am I willing to be in order to pursue my sex life with 22 year olds, comes into play ... especially since there are plenty of 22 year olds on SA who are begging for attention

It is not SA per se, but I know two sisters who have been 'having arrangements' since they went off to college. I know because I have spent some time with both of them :-)

One (a solid 9) has now graduated college and is in no hurry to get a job. She lives at home and the parents thing she is finding herself. She has a retail job at a high end mall. She uses her job to get picked up by Sugar Daddys. She probably spends time with 2-3 a week and that adds up to some serious cash.

My point is that if a girl realizes how easy it is and how accepted the appearance is in public society, she sees no downside in this win-win type of arrangement. Once she gets started, why stop? No one bats an eye when she is sitting in her little black dress at a 4-star downtown restaurant with an old fart like me. No one bats an eye when we walk into a nice hotel together.