Dad's, you better triple the daughter's allowance
Lone_Wolf
Arizona
For reals man, and here's why.
Any of you pervs that play in Seeking Arrangement or troll on line knows that its a whole new world out there. The quality of young (legal age) smoking hot women that are willing to party with old dudes for cash is fucking mind blowing. Thanks to the media, our broken as shit culture, and many other factors, there is no longer a stigma for these young honeys not to partake in some helpful p4p activities. The honey's often come from families with money and are pursuing advanced degrees in college.
Seriously man, the old "get out there and make your way" may just lead to a hotel room with an old dude with money. Risk is, it is very easy money and the young honey may just pursue that instead of a legit career. These honeys are playing on social media which makes it crazy easy to interact with them. Also, the honeys that partake lie to each other about having to have sex with the old fat guys. They tell their friends that its all platonic which is total BS.
Yep. better make sure the daughters have all the cash they need.
Any of you pervs that play in Seeking Arrangement or troll on line knows that its a whole new world out there. The quality of young (legal age) smoking hot women that are willing to party with old dudes for cash is fucking mind blowing. Thanks to the media, our broken as shit culture, and many other factors, there is no longer a stigma for these young honeys not to partake in some helpful p4p activities. The honey's often come from families with money and are pursuing advanced degrees in college.
Seriously man, the old "get out there and make your way" may just lead to a hotel room with an old dude with money. Risk is, it is very easy money and the young honey may just pursue that instead of a legit career. These honeys are playing on social media which makes it crazy easy to interact with them. Also, the honeys that partake lie to each other about having to have sex with the old fat guys. They tell their friends that its all platonic which is total BS.
Yep. better make sure the daughters have all the cash they need.
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I expected "Gross! I'm not a prostitute." but that was not the response. I also asked wouldn't it be gross to be intimate with dudes older than your dad and they all said something like "well, if they had money". No shame. Impossible to understand culture.
The media seems to portray this activity in only one of two extremes. It is hard core exploitative escorting or fairy tale platonic BS. The truth mostly lands in the middle. Bizarre times for real.
Man: if I gave you a million dollars, would you have sex with me ?
Woman: Yes.
M: How about for $50 ?
W: what kind of woman do you think I am ?
M: we've already established that, now we're just haggling on price
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Fortunately that kind of delusional behavior never happens in strip clubs or on TUSCL.
Here's a question I have, and the only group I trust to answer is tuscl, given the uncompromising high ethical standards and integrity shown here.
I've been thinking of subtly expanding my SA System(tm) to civilians, and I'm trying to decide if it's genius, or if this is basically an unethical intrusion and sexual harassment. Example: there is this gorgeous young waitress at a local restaurant who my buddies and I regularly talk to. Recently, she let slip that she was having some troubles coping. This was probably just her way of saying, "hey, old guys, if you're going to flirt with me, and you want me to play along, you have to tip better." On the other hand, maybe not. I was thinking of letting her "catch me" on SA as she walked up, to see if asks about it; or maybe, just like with strippers, somehow smoothly slip into the conversation that I"m looking for a sugarbaby.
My ultimate decision was: unwanted intrusion, she's a civilian, don't do it. But I"m wondering if I'm leaving some amazing opportunities on the table. A number of the sugarbabies I have met claim to have met their initial sugardaddy at work or otherwise organically, so maybe the mere mention isn't unethical? Whatcha think?
You could then joke, "Sounds like you need a sugar daddy, lol." and see how she responds. "Ew, gross" probably means she's not interested. =)
The greater challenge & risk is cold approaching a honey in public with a similar offer. After knowing how many honeys are open to an arrangement, it is extremelely tempting to try and be smooth to some young honey in a civie public setting.
I've never really done it but I swear these honeys put out a vibe that they're open to it. Probably just wishful thinking on my part.
Your (regular, civilian) massage therapist is very attractive, and her hands are getting awfully close to your private parts. Do you proposition her? My answer to this is: never, under any circumstances; it's unethical to risk traumatizing (and that's what it does) a civilian CMT by propositioning her. That also means no hints like arching your back, or llow moaning. You want a happy ending, there's a zillion bodyrub girls who welcome your business and openly advertise. Civilian CMTs are off limits
But saying "I'm looking for a sugarbaby" is NOT the same thing as "I'd like a handjob".... is it? Especially if there's no direct proposition. On the other hand, no reason to pretend: the girls know exactly why you're mentioning SA, or why SA happened to be on your phone when she walked up.
Of course, another answer here is: since I was with my buddy and #1 wingman, and HE has an even better relationship with her, I could have told him to let it slip to her that I"m looking for an SB, so we get the double indirection. Benefit of having good wingmen. Like I said, I didn't execute, but am still questioning that decision...
In that scenario, I would start talking about her favorite restaurants in the area. If she engages, I would start talking about how fun its going to be when we go there and what we are going to order. "Of course you would have to miss work so I would gift $".
I've never tried this but its probably what I would do. The goal would just be to get her number.
Perfect.
Again, I'm not sure this is wishful thinking. A good number of SBs I've been on dates with, have told me their first entry into this was someone they met while working or otherwise going about their civilian lives. Which means there's some % of hot civilians walking around who ARE open to it. We just have to figure out 1. how to read the signs, 2. proposition in such a way that it doesn't traumatize or upset her, if we fucked up on step 1.
Absolutely. Have to figure out way to convey I'm not a delusional old fat dude thinking he can actually civie date a hot young honey. No, its p4p honey, but you're not a prostitute and I'm not a creepers.
I see no risk in this. lol
Finding 20-somethings open to fucking older dudes in exchange for perks is far more likely to happen (and less sounding like something easily judged as negative, ie, prostitution) than announcing you are a potential Suger Daddy.
Plus, I just hate the "Daddy" tag.
Kind of like what Lone_Wolf suggests . . .
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IDK, it's so mainstream now and the label doesn't really carry the negative connotations.
You should take one of these girls on one of your trips, @JackSlash. Most of these girls would be thrilled to go with you.
Pretending your slick and just offering out of the blue to pay for stuff for a pretty young girl = creepy. And she knows what you're up to, and suspicious as to why you're trying to be slick about it.
Mentioning you're looking for a sugarbaby = open and honest, but not insulting and no negative connotations (unlike, say, the word "prostitute").
I'm with you in that I hate the term "daddy", and when girls have "will you be my daddy" on their profile, I tend to swipe right past them, almost as fast as I swipe past the girls with nose rings
As for approaching civilian girls for a SB arrangement, that may not be out of the realm of possibility? I've heard of it happening. I would guess you would have to have some quality face time with her while she doesn't get any pervy vibe at all. A waitress at Twin Peaks is probably not going to be a primary target as they get hit on constantly.
One alternative might be to ask her if any of her friends have ever talked about being a SB? Because you have a friend who has recently been talking about it and you've never known anyone who has done it. You are wondering what it's all about? This might be a safe way to introduce the subject without being too pervy?
But probably having a wingman bring it up is a great idea.
I sometimes wonder if some are college students needing cash for tuition. But those girls would probably be more discrete, like call girls or sugar babies, as opposed to having their faces exposed on the web.
For subraman's situation with the waitress I think he should just tip her very very well to show that he has money to spend and then just ask her out someplace fancy.
There's no doubt that SA is the best combination of quality and cost in the current pussy market. These girls are as hot if not hotter than strippers, they actually have their shit together, and they don't know what their worth."
Dang, LM, I need to move to your city. I've been working SA here in Atlanta for a year now and have not seen this at all. The really hot ones don't seem to be motivated only by money (I would do dates for $300 per date, but I'm not attracted to you), or they want way too much money (one of the few hot ones that talked to me long enough to get to money talk wanted $2k per month upfront allowance for 2 dates a month and couldn't host so there would still be hotel costs on top of that).
As much as I like SB dating, I can get 2 BBBJs a week at Follies for that kind of money.
I like your ideas, but given my marital status I would think there is more danger of getting entangled with an SB that wants the MRS upgrade if you're talking to single civvie girls. I want my SBs to understand up front that I don't want to keep them, I just want to borrow them for a while.
Here's a possible approach line, paraphrased from one of my favorite books, that might work on coeds:
I'm in the business of providing scholarships to exceptionally friendly female students.
But, now that I've typed it out, it sounds a little creepier than I thought it would.
I do think that a light conversational tone, rather than a "line", would work best.
In my case, since my civvy was a waitress who is waiting on us and working for tips, I'm extra extra careful -- she's a captive audience, and as you can see above, I worry about how fair I'm being to her. It's not as if she were a random civvy who could just walk away. I mean, handle it wrong, she could go in the back, bust into tears, and now have to come back out and wait on my table, as well as 8 other tables. Both fairness, as well as how horrible a person am I willing to be in order to pursue my sex life with 22 year olds, comes into play ... especially since there are plenty of 22 year olds on SA who are begging for attention
One (a solid 9) has now graduated college and is in no hurry to get a job. She lives at home and the parents thing she is finding herself. She has a retail job at a high end mall. She uses her job to get picked up by Sugar Daddys. She probably spends time with 2-3 a week and that adds up to some serious cash.
My point is that if a girl realizes how easy it is and how accepted the appearance is in public society, she sees no downside in this win-win type of arrangement. Once she gets started, why stop? No one bats an eye when she is sitting in her little black dress at a 4-star downtown restaurant with an old fart like me. No one bats an eye when we walk into a nice hotel together.