OT: A Beautiful World Within Our Reach
san_jose_guy
money was invented for handing to women, but buying dances is a chump's game
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Imagine what it would be like to be able to spend time regularly meeting with friends and debating the ideas of Plato and Aristotle.
Maybe it would be a regular meeting in one of our Viet Coffee shops, and maybe for playing a little chess too.
Well this can all be ours. All we have to do is wait until enough Christians die off.
Once this happens we won't any longer need to be ready to lay down our lives if we want change. All we will have to do is show up on the appointed day and take a little wire pin, and punch out some chads on a ballot card. That's right, simply by using the ballot box, the people can take over, as there won't anymore be enough Christians to vote us down.
So whereas now, most people live frantic lives, trying to make insane mortgage and rent payments, and trying to pay for the things which they need to have to maintain social standing, it won't be like that anymore.
We the workers will be the beneficiaries of the fruits of our labors, we won't be getting economically harvested by financiers anymore, we won't be racing against each other in squirrel cages either.
So we will have surplus time and money. And it won't only be for reading Plato and Aristotle, it can also be Veblen, Weber, Gramsci, Henri Bergson, Nietzsche, Michael Hardt, and Antonio Negri too. And then there will be writing, painting, video making, music, bicycling, sailing, and much more too.
And once women have more life options, the birth rate comes way down and the amount of sex goes way up.
And the trillions of dollars which today does nothing except to bid up housing costs and inflate the stock market, that can finally be used for solving world problems.
And we won't need to be selling ourselves to the invention of more consumer status symbols and marketing gimmicks. We can be employed to use our skills to produce value.
And we don't need to just sit and wait for this change to occur either. See, right now people have been brainwashed into believing that all we can do is follow instructions, as we are Fallen. And so people run competing against each other in a rat race, and no matter what, we will be economically harvested. Its because we say that some people are good and some people are bad, and so we expect people to prove that they can earn a living, even though no one really earns anything, they have just found ways to get themselves a cut. So the whole thing is just crooked.
But once Christians can no longer control election outcomes, this changes. So right now today there is something each of us can do, trying to talk young people out of Christianity, before they completely lost to the addiction. If we all can do this, talk people out of Christianity, and do it every day, then the world will start to change right before our very eyes.
SJG
Imagine what it would be like to be able to spend time regularly meeting with friends and debating the ideas of Plato and Aristotle.
Maybe it would be a regular meeting in one of our Viet Coffee shops, and maybe for playing a little chess too.
Well this can all be ours. All we have to do is wait until enough Christians die off.
Once this happens we won't any longer need to be ready to lay down our lives if we want change. All we will have to do is show up on the appointed day and take a little wire pin, and punch out some chads on a ballot card. That's right, simply by using the ballot box, the people can take over, as there won't anymore be enough Christians to vote us down.
So whereas now, most people live frantic lives, trying to make insane mortgage and rent payments, and trying to pay for the things which they need to have to maintain social standing, it won't be like that anymore.
We the workers will be the beneficiaries of the fruits of our labors, we won't be getting economically harvested by financiers anymore, we won't be racing against each other in squirrel cages either.
So we will have surplus time and money. And it won't only be for reading Plato and Aristotle, it can also be Veblen, Weber, Gramsci, Henri Bergson, Nietzsche, Michael Hardt, and Antonio Negri too. And then there will be writing, painting, video making, music, bicycling, sailing, and much more too.
And once women have more life options, the birth rate comes way down and the amount of sex goes way up.
And the trillions of dollars which today does nothing except to bid up housing costs and inflate the stock market, that can finally be used for solving world problems.
And we won't need to be selling ourselves to the invention of more consumer status symbols and marketing gimmicks. We can be employed to use our skills to produce value.
And we don't need to just sit and wait for this change to occur either. See, right now people have been brainwashed into believing that all we can do is follow instructions, as we are Fallen. And so people run competing against each other in a rat race, and no matter what, we will be economically harvested. Its because we say that some people are good and some people are bad, and so we expect people to prove that they can earn a living, even though no one really earns anything, they have just found ways to get themselves a cut. So the whole thing is just crooked.
But once Christians can no longer control election outcomes, this changes. So right now today there is something each of us can do, trying to talk young people out of Christianity, before they completely lost to the addiction. If we all can do this, talk people out of Christianity, and do it every day, then the world will start to change right before our very eyes.
SJG
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Doces, hadn't noticed your handle before. Welcome to TUSCL.
SJG
1. Alcohol, Drugs, and Wife Beating.
OR
2. Getting Saved.
So most of them oscillate between these two.
But once enough Christians have died, we who are self regulating and interested in ongoing learning will be able to out vote them, and so things will really change.
SJG
But what is '>8^x' ?
SJG
That not true, due to free markets allow for society to dictate needs more efficiently than a select few dictators/ruling caste. If I didn't know better this sounds like propaganda for someone wanting to start his own church, which stands at a membership of 1.
SJG
Or do you believe that everyone is good and should have a good life, and that we should work together to make sure that happens? Well if you want this like I do, then we just have to wait until enough Christians die off so that we can out vote them.
SJG
Buddy Guy - Knock On Wood
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRmy4AuR…
But once enough Christians have died off, we will be able out vote them. Problem solved. This is how it works right now in Europe's Social Democracies.
SJG
Or are we going to continue to destroy ourselves by going with the idea that poor people are bad people, and following Christians in their herd think.
SJG
Muuwahahahaha......
These places have little experience with democracy.
The examples to site are the Social Democracies of Western Europe, especially Scandinavia, and the French Socialist Party.
Up through the mid 1960's, they and the US were pretty much in sync in their policies.
But then, drawing upon the prevalence of Christian Fundamentalism in the US, and our history with racism and slavery, Richard Nixon and the Republican Party were able to deploy a whole host of divisive wedge issues, as well use clandestine appeals to racism to advance the Republican Party in the South.
And this has gotten worse with each Presidential election.
Things will change when people start rejecting Christianity, or when enough Christians die off.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/unde…
https://www.amazon.com/Strangers-Their-O…
SJG
What happened in the early 1600s to explain the R+C furor? What was the manifestos, what did they say, who was behind them & what did they lead to?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFWDEYK_…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bibliothec…
This is not utopia. It is religion under a new name carried out to the extreme.
You could call this New Europe, its where the US would have been if we did not turn to the Right in the late 60's, thanks to Nixon and the Republican Party.
Top tax rates are about 10 to 15% higher. But they have universal health care and an economic safety net. Less child abuse, less drug abuse, less church going and fatalism.
The government does not control every aspect of life, not at all. Rather, with an economic and social saftey net, people are free to think and write, and maybe paint or sing, outside the box.
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Any thoughts that aren't consistent with government orthodoxy, like climate change and multi-culturalism, are prohibited and subject to criminal prosecution. It is the government that determines who can can get health care and who must die.
This is not utopia. It is religion under a new name carried out to the extreme.
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Multi-culturalism is freedom. Libertarianism is cops with guns, and prisons.
You sound like someone who has been listening to Right Wing Media. A common ailment among White people.
Highly Recommended:
https://www.amazon.com/European-Dream-Eu…
SJG
Socialism is a scourge where a small group takes control of the population. It is as bad as Christianity at its worst in the dark ages.
Socialism is obvious, once you stop making up ways to denigrate the poor. And Social Democracy means rule by those who are elected. Most people are not yet ready for this in a place like the United States, their minds have been poisoned by things like Christianity. But we were going that way, on track with Europe, up through the mid-60's.
Things change once you decide that you can't build a society by denigrating the poor.
Christianity is just a doctrine for mind fucking children.
Christians are dying everyday, so if we can block their evangelization, a beautiful world will be here, just by punching out ballot chads.
SJG
Venezuela has no history of working democracy on which to draw.
What has to happen is for the poor to start defending themselves, the pen, the computer keyboard, and 5.56mm green tip.
We expect people to prove that they can earn a living, when in fact no one really earns a living, they just rig it so they get a cut of the action.
SJG
hey san_jose_guy because we all know you are so stupid i want to explain to you that mark94 wasn’t calling you stupid. he was pointing out that you called yourself stupid
recently? oh come on now you’re pulling our leg with that one. everybody knows that san_jose_guy has never been out of his mother’s basement long enough to ever even go to a strip club. do you really think he could ride his bike all the way to Rome or Athens before his bedtime?
in his psycho dreams. lolololololol
SJG
Here's what I believe. I worked my tail off so I could pay for my expenses plus putting aside some money for retirement. It's my money. Try and take it from me and something very bad will happen to you.
I have a legitimate question for you @SJG, Do you even believe this stupid shit that you say ?
what? you mean like how Greece, the cradle of democracy, has little experience with democracy. that kind of stupid shit?
And collecting some of the money will of course require per-emptive use of lethal force. No big deal. A normal part of life. Long overdue.
SJG
san-jose-guy’s socialist utopia is always just a few million more corpses away.
in his psycho dreams. lolololololol
Christianity is the antithesis of Christ, the anti-Christ. So long as people go with it, it will always be the Good People Breeding, and hiring more and more cops to control the Bad People.
So if we are going to stop this, we do need to find ways to fight back. Most of it will be non-violent. But not likely all of it.
SJG
san-jose-guy’s socialist utopia is always just a few million more corpses away.
in his psycho dreams.
Then after that let it go to somewhere between 1/4 billion and 1 billion, but it does not have to be a uniform birth rate, it just has to average out as stable.
This can happen when you've people committed to religious sex and orgies, but never with anything like any of the 3 Abrahamic Faiths.
And of course, sex and money are always two sides of the same coin. Change how sex works, radically lower the birth rates, and change how money works too.
We can have all of this, if we can steer enough young people away from Christianity, so that the Christians can be out voted. In much of Western Europe, it is already like this. And it does show in the birth rates.
SJG
Gnostic Sex
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNrcvZnr…
^^^^^^
This is to a large degree true in Europe, but not in the United States, and even if you subtract out the births of foreign born women.
I would still say that we need a steeper voluntary decline, and only for a while, in order to reduce the long term environmental impact.
This will come, when we have changes in political and social ideology, and almost certainly this will come with a large scale rejection of Christianity.
SJG
In order for a generation to exactly replace itself, the total fertility rate needs to be 2,100 births per 1,000 women. The U.S. has been missing that mark since 1971 (though the country’s population has grown due to immigration).
But births per woman, like say 2.2, is more meaningful. But you can't undate that kind of info very quickly.
The issue is the timing of the births. Need about 20 years to know if the situation has really changed.
2,100 per thousand women is still a growing population. 2 births per woman who grow into adult hood would be nearly exact replacement. But you cannot determine this until we are about 20 years out.
And also the US and Europe are just a small portion of the world's population. We need, by voluntary non-coercive methods to bring the entire population down as quickly as possible. Long term environmental damage is happening very quickly.
SJG
Want more proof of this ? Travel to Beijing, Jakarta, Bangkok, Mexico City or any large city in the developing world. The air is filthy and the water unclean.
Do you want to improve the environment ? Then you should be lobbying for economic growth. They go hand in hand.
Mark94, I am convinced that you are being influenced by right wing media, and some of this is motivated by racism.
SJG
If that's what you need to do to claim the moral high ground ( and hide your lack of intellect ), so be it. It's not original, but I guess it protects your ego.
And when you talked about population issues, it seemed to be formulated in the ways which people do when they have a racial agenda. That you are finding this in some right wing sources, is not surprising at all.
SJG
But it is still invitation only, and right now just a handful of local people.
SJG
Virtue Signalling
The action or practice of publicly expressing opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.
‘it's noticeable how often virtue signalling consists of saying you hate something or someone while claiming to be a loving and spiritual person "
That is not what I am doing. I am involved day in and day out in political actions on the ground, and these always involve conflict.
And I am certainly not looking for approval on this TUSCL board.
I am not by most people's standard touchy and feeling. More like in the US Seal, olive branch in one talon, but arrows in the other. Or like in the Osirian Mummy Pose, cozier in one hand, flail in the other.
I do think most White Males, are indeed looking for approval when they adopt and then repeat back concepts invented by right wing media.
SJG
https://www.amazon.com/Buckminster-Fulle…
So like Fuller says, because of advances in industrial technology, we are able to produce and deliver goods and services so that every man. woman and child can live better than even royalty had.
And so why don't we see this, "because we demand that everyone prove that they can earn a living."
Our productive capacity far exceeds human needs, it even exceeds human ability to consume. But we demand that everyone on space ship earth prove that they can earn a living? That is insane.
So of course, there are going to be huge booms and huge busts. And we are going to end up with vast numbers of people showing the long term effects of unemployment.
And then on top of this we are told that we are to engage in environmentally questionable activities, like hydraulicfracking? And why, to create jobs?
Like Deleuze and Guattari say, "Capitalism is completely insane."
And so what do we get, to soak up excess productive capacity? Wars!
SJG
Richard Wolff: "Democracy at Work: A Cure for Capitalism" | Talks at Google
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynbgMKcl…