OT: The Chaos Protocols, by Gordon White

Yeah, I kinda wondered SJG's church intended to make money. After all it's just gonna be a bunch of gay, psycho dudes sucking each others cocks all day and complaining about how bad Donald Trump is. But even SJG realizes nobody is going to pay them to do that. So I see he has come up with a plan, to bring in the bucks... He will use MAGIC. Just conjure money out of thin air. Sure beats having work and do anything productive for society, right, SJG?

" gay, psycho dudes sucking each others cocks all day"

Dougster's floating tax free and woman free utopia, and he forgot to mention about the young people being hired to provide blood transfusions.

SJG

SJG, instead of giving references and citations you could have summarized the book for us that you did in less than 10 words: economic system is designed for harvesting of 98%.

^^^^^^ Perhaps, but I still want the references, as I will be returning the book to the library.

But let me tell you about the kinds of libraries we are going to have in the organization I am building!

From Gordon White's "Chaos Protocols", page 52

"When it comes to selecting or determining preferred outcomes, there are two essential concepts that are frequently confused: possibilities and probabilities. It is possible that a billionaire with a heart of gold will leap from his limousine, dart through five lanes of traffic and propose marriage to you on your walk to work. But how probable is it? Failure to distinguish between these concepts is at the root of why the lottery may be legitimacy called a tax on poor people."

We have talked on this board about state loteries, and especially about California's.

More references:

about the daimonic Serena Roney-Dougal. The Fairy Faith, Green Magic, 2003

White doesn't really go along with the 19th Century occultists who want to source everything in Ancient Egypt. Hans Dieter Betz. The Greek Magical Papyri in Translation Including the Demotic Spells, University of Chicago Press, 1997

SJG

"Harvesting" of the 98% by the 2%, good concept, first explained in "The Time Machine" by H. G. Wells, right? Oh, not that kind of "harvesting" ... hmm ...

Actually, so far it makes sense.

Economic Harvesting, our financial system is set up to let the top 1% do this.

So continuing here with Gordon White's "Chaos Protocols", mostly his references:

Grant Morrison's "Pop Magic"

Ioannis Marathakis, "The Magical Treatise of Solomon, or Hygromanteia, 2012

Adam Braun. "The Promise of a Pencil: How an Ordinary Person Can Create Extraordinary Change", 2014

Jocelyn K. Glei. "Maximize Your Potential: Grow Your Expertise, Take Bold Risks & Build an Incredible Career"

Paul Huson, "Mystical Origins of the Tarot"

In the 18th and 19th Century occultists wanted to source everything in Ancient Egypt. And so they say that playing cards were derived from the tarot. White is a huge tarot fan and tarot user. But he rejects this Egypt centered view. Playing cards came from the Near East in the 1300's. He feels that tarot cards were derived from these, adding the 22 trumps.

He also emphasizes that there is no line between games of skill and chance, and divination, and that these would have been illegal games, tavern games, maybe also with gambling for money. It is also just about learning to live in a probabilistic world. (FWIW, tarot decks have 4 court cards per suit, where as playing cards have only 3).

Russel Targ. "The Reality of ESP" 2012

From Charles Hugh-Smith, 2015

35% of Americans have debt in collection, 3/4's live paycheck to paycheck, almost 1/2 cannot cover a $400 expense without going into debt or selling something.

One in four college graduates still live with their parents.

The wealth accumulated by the top 1% in the years since 2008, exceeds the cost of all America's social programs combined.

Erik Brynjolfsson and Andrew Mcafee. "The Second Machine Age: Work, Progress, and Prosperity in a Time of Brilliant Technologies, 2014

From Catherine Austin Fitts, the total value of every stock market on earth in 1990, $11 trillion. Today it is $70 Trillion, and it is on track for at least $150 Trillion, as more countries launch their own exchanges and the emerging ones continue to grow, "securitisation of the entire planet".

lots of other references, especially to blogs.

White is extremely down on home ownership in inflated markets. Sees people who go for this as completely nuts. I agree.

SJG

Starting to read, separates Egyptology from the Egyptosophy of occultists amazon.com

Predictions made by Bill Gates in 1999 msn.com

Just when you think Lloyd Schoene couldn't be more of a dork, he shows you he can be.

OK, so, SJG, you're loopy, you know that right?

But you do generally stand outside of the boxes with which most people restrict themselves, so, I gotta listen when you come up with something. And this is interesting to me. I frankly do NOT buy all the "magic" (and no, I'm not going to misspell it just for the book's author) shit. But I entirely DO buy a lot of the rest of what this book seems to imply. Simply the idea that our current financial system is geared toward helping the 2% exploit the 98%, seems to me a helpful thing to keep in mind, for instance.

Thing is, I don't want to buy the book. Will you post a PDF, or send me a copy, or give me a link to a free version, or just summarize it more? Thanks. Maybe an article in the Articles section at TUSCL?

Even putting public libraries and academic libraries together, the offering is still too limited. But we can try to push them to expend the diversity of their offerings. Too many try to operate like Barnes and Nobles stores, loading up the shelves with duplicate copies to try and boost circulation. They no longer serve the public, they serve up the public by promoting popular doctrines.

In the organization I am now working to build, we will have our own libraries and they will never be anything like that. And besides book bought new, we will be accepting donations of books and buying lots of used books too.

Altering the spelling of 'magic' started with Aleister Crowley, to distinguish it from stage magic.

The idea comes from Hermeticism, particularly with the Emerald Tablet, and usually occultists are tracing this back to Ancient Egypt, or at least to the Hellenistic Era, the first four centuries C. E.

Emerald Tablet en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

"2.That which is below is like that which is above & that which is above is like that which is below to do the miracles of one only thing."

Poke Runyon, quite character, but always clear presentations: democracynow.org

Some more authors I am looking at, just limiting myself to what is available in libraries.

Right here: Sane occultism
What is occultism? / Dion Fortune ; introduction by Gareth Knight

Her stuff is always easily understandable and very level headed, she being a veteran of the Golden Dawn. Many occultists feel that their own work today would have been impossible without she and her writings

SJG.

So now the truth starts to come out @SJG and @Book Guy believe in slave labor thinking an author should not receive payment for his labors, both of you are assholes.

sacred-magick.com

Some people think very highly of this Patrick Dunn, and his "Postmodern Magic", something going even beyond Chaos Magic.

llewellyn.com

Seem to be able to download for free? downtro.com

Hands-on Chaos Magic by Andrieh Vitimus, not in libraries llewellyn.com

SJG

Suspended Chord pianochord.com

But the whole tone scale is much further out than just using suspended chords. en.wikipedia.org

Debussy - Voiles youtube.com

Best of Debussy youtube.com

1. you are the asshole, big time. I never said anything about denying authors payment, or violating copyright. And I've not seen Book Guy talk about it either.

So many things are available full text online now, with the consent of the author.

But what I posted about was getting a broader range of books into libraries.

SJG

Best of Debussy youtube.com

Ah, so SJG has been reading up on cult theory. He is going to try and diminish his members contact with the outside world, and also control what they read. Told you, the guy is all about control. And a fuckin' psycho! Just a good thing everyone will recognize it instantly so his church will also stay: Number of members = 1. Number of sane members = 0.

^^^^^^^ Two guys jealous of what I and a small circle of associates are building. Yes I have read about cult upon cult upon cult. There are lines one should not cross. But remember, our women will have high voltage sex appeal. This means that they have to be accustomed to mainstream society, instead of being hippie dropouts. Our temples will be for ritualized sex. But though we have this private side, our people will also hold worldly power, rather like the Free Masons always have. The Golden Dawn innovation was to allow women. We will have this, but our women will be more sexualized, and sex will the the center point of our rituals. All male utopias are Dougster's territory.

About French Martinism:

revolvy.com starting around 1740 or a bit later, coming out of Free Masonry.

en.wikipedia.org 1727 - 1774

en.wikipedia.org 1743 - 1803

en.wikipedia.org 1730 - 1824

Papas (Gérard Encausse) en.wikipedia.org 1865 - 1916

Project Muse, Eliphas Levi and the French Occult Revival, by Christopher McIntosh muse.jhu.edu

also a widely disseminated book, 1940 amazon.com

SJG

Rolling Stones, Time Waits For No One youtube.com

Chris Rock, Hilarious, kudos to Random Member youtube.com

amazon.com

Dystopian Nightmare: Eyewitness Decries Police Repression at G20 Summit as 100,000 Take to Streets democracynow.org

I feel sorry for people who live in places without Viet Coffee thebravenewworlddotnet.files.wordpress.com

This place is a joke, I'll never spend a penny in one. en.wikipedia.org

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So, SJG, I'm curious about why you say it is harder to find men for your church than it is women. Seems to me you have a very different view of men versus women. Women you just want to be prostitutes you think you'll be able to pay the equivalent of $125k a year. Men, you claim, you have a harder time finding. Presumably b/c they will have different roles versus women? Seem a pretty big indicator of how misogynistic you are. Also you mention they are all "stripper grade hotties". Again, sounds like the only work they do in this imagine church of yours, is work as full time prostitutes.

Where I work women have do real work just like men. Many are attractive, but some are not. But it doesn't matter because we live in the real world. We hire them to do real work so we can make some money. I haven't noticed a correlation between looks and able to do real work. So there are definitely some "not stripper grade hotties" where I work. And a few who are. If your imaginary church is "stripper grade hotties" only, it just more evidence of your misogyny since you see the roles for men and women as being so different.

Some statistics on SJG's church:

Number of members = 1 Number of sane members = 0

Lol! SJG = the ultimate misogynist

I don't like church social events or family picnics, stuff invented only to give de-sexualized power to women. I like for women to be sex objects.

So what I want is the opposite of the all male pre-cryogenic utopia Dougster wants.

SJG

SJG scared to answer any of the questions I asked him.

Run, Lloyd, run!

Good Lord, THIS is who I was trying to reason with???? Secret organization he's building???

It all makes sense now. I won't put him on ignore as some of his content is funny, but I'll just ignore most everything he writes.

More Gordon White:

Gordon White: Chaos Magic, Animism & the Fall of the West youtube.com

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Left Hand Path youtube.com

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