OT: Trying another round on SA
day_trader
Ontario
Wednesday, June 28, 2017 8:19 PM
Got some free time coming up in a couple of weeks and signed up for a subscription on seeking arrangement. I'm trying to set up an evening out with a couple of bangs back at the hotel. Haven't been on SA in a few months. Figured this would be a good time of year to be on with co-eds being out of school in all. My local area seems to be a bit more active then usual so it looks like it is.
I got a couple of quotes back today. First girl tells me she would need $1500. WTF. Girl number two says I can take her out for dinner (no sex) for $300. Double WTF. She goes on to say I don't do those types of things so $1000 is the lowest I could do it for. Really, Triple WTF. LOL. Pay hookers for sex sure is expensive.
Rant over.
Anyways does anyone have any good success stories from SA as of late?
I got a couple of quotes back today. First girl tells me she would need $1500. WTF. Girl number two says I can take her out for dinner (no sex) for $300. Double WTF. She goes on to say I don't do those types of things so $1000 is the lowest I could do it for. Really, Triple WTF. LOL. Pay hookers for sex sure is expensive.
Rant over.
Anyways does anyone have any good success stories from SA as of late?
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I used to be very active there but gave up in frustration after a few years, too many of the hot girls have too high of expectations. I love when I used to ask "so how many guys have paid you the amount you're requesting?" and I would usually get two types of answers: "none" and "tons of guys" I loved to follow up when they said "tons of guys" with "why aren't you currently seeing any of them now?" - which was a call out that they're full of shit - some caught it, some didn't.
There are gems on that site, but unless you live in a large city you have to do a lot of digging to find them. I've found the most efficient way to have sex, is with a stripper in or outside the club. I pay a fee, they fuck me, I go home - that's the way I personally like it for now. If you want dinner, the chase, a "companion" (so to speak) then SA might be just for you.
That said, I'm on a forum where there's a bunch of SDs and wanna-be SDs. Most of the seasoned SDs are paying $3000-$4500/month, if you count allowance, gifts, travel, hotel rooms, etc. Those guys are having a **completely** different experience than the rest of us on SA... at those prices, they're getting some quality women, it's just more than I am interested in paying for sex each month. The rest of us (most in the $1000-$1500/month bucket) all have similar stories: a flake rate that surpasses even strippers (although much of the flaking occurs during emails), no girls who are as attractive as their pics, many "regular girls" who just aren't so fun, and then you get the "$300 for dinner girls". That said, I HAVE run into some gems and had a good time, and I seem to have gotten better at picking those girls out .... in fact, my last few hits I've had positively OTC-like experiences, which is pretty nice (go ahead, ask me what those girls do for a living outside SA).
SA is where I'd be if strip clubs disappeared tomorrow, but as long as they're here, looks like they'll remain my primary. 'course, I could be just one awesome sugarbaby away from changing my mind
I don't doubt there are a few insanely rich guys on there paying way over the market rate for sex, but even rich guys are not going to see a girl for more than once or twice at those kind of rates. If you have the means to buy any girl and price is nothing but a number, you are going to try to sample as many different coeds as you can, not stick to one chick. So yeah, every blue moon the hottest ladies might find a guy willing to pay $500-1500 for a trophy fuck, but no guy is going to pay way over the market rate for weeks, months, and years.
Denver_Luv's guide to using Seeking Arrangements for guys with good game and money...
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In essence, like others TUSCL members have mentioned:
YMMV
Requires to invest time and money.
You get what you paid for.
There are lots of escorts.
There are many GPS girls.
In any case you have to try it to see if it works for you and report your experience, because your experience will be unique, but can help others to learn from it.
Good luck.
I, too, am in that $1000-$1500 range, based on the desire to average some type of sexual encounter once a week at a price range of $200-$300 per encounter. I _do_ like the chase, a companion, teasing/flirting/build up between visits, sexting, etc so trying to find someone on SA is worth the effort for me.
I'm not good looking enough for immediate physical attraction to overcome the lower $$$ I want to spend, so I don't chase the hotties. I did start out searching young women 21-29. Tried 2 in this range. Extreme flakiness killed both. I am still talking to one other but there has been mild flakiness already.
Decided to try something different, and expanded age search to 30-39 (still younger than me) hoping to find someone that is more stable. Initial conversations have been more stable, but did have two flake on our first date.
As opposed to the 21-29 crowd, the 30-39 crowd has universally acknowledged that sex is going to happen, several seem to be happy JUST meeting for sex, and one is just so desperate for attention I don't think she's going to ask for any money (although I have my doubts she'll follow through on meeting). One has set a very affordable price and seems sincere on meeting. I'm out of town right now, but once I get back I should have a bunch of dates lined up to see if anything works out. Two pretty good looking ones seem happy that I'm not trying to scam them, or string them along for internet sex.
What I was having trouble understanding was the girls saying they didn't have time to meet up with me, yet they are "On Line" at all hours of day and night. Then, I realized they are probably just chasing their version of a unicorn, and would rather sit at home messaging potential SDs instead of going out with one that has made a bona fide offer.
Once you do like her, and she likes you, then make your offer. I don't do arrangements, but if I did, I'd be likely to take a lower rate from someone I was already comfortable with. If you aren't pushy and truly do just buy her dinner once a week and give her 50, bc you're a nice guy and you know she's needing cash, she will start feeling some gratitude and develop fondness. My favorite customers are the ones who are just easy to be around. If you get along, she will look forward to having a decent, low pressure, dinner out, and having a little extra cash also. Then, when you want to elevate it, the lower rate will seem like a lot more money, for not a lot more, bc she already trusts you, and likes you.
-->"but did have two flake on our first date"
Anyone looking for less flakiness on SA is delusional ... it's one of the main threads that absolutely unites all of our stories. The good news is, even though SA girls as a whole are flakier than strippers, they tend to flake earlier in the process: an SA girl might disappear mid-conversation, or disappear after she agrees to a date, or disappear the day before the date, or cancel the morning of ... but I've only had one no-text no-show where all systems were go so I actually went to the date and then got stood up.
AGain, the $3500+/month group is perplexed by all this and they don't see nearly as much of it (I assume RM is in this group also; his experience seems to be that SA girls are more reliable than strippers, not less). Among the small group of guys on the forum who started on SA about the same time as me, most have already dropped SA.
I'm actually a believer in that. I think if you're looking for an escort-like experience, then negotiating in advance over email might be the right thing. But if you're interested in anything more than "go to a hotel room, pay me, have sex, leave an hour later, don't text me until you want to do it again", just concentrate on compatibility, and make her feel safe and appreciated, over email. IMO, she may accept less if you're safe, fun, and easy.
Bj99-->"Why not start by offering something like 50.00 for lunch, or dinner, and not pushing for any expectations of sex?"
I agree with the last part -- make the initial meet-and-greet about meeting, that's it. It flushes out the escorts, and leaves the higher quality girls who want to know you first. I don't agree about offering the $50 ... despite my complaints of flakiness, I've met with a lot of potential SBs, so still lots of opportunity to get them to meet without paying them. But not paying $50 is more about me ... sooooo many women do not look as good as their pics, it's like escort pics or Tinder pics, the pics are their best pics from 5 years ago. If I'd offered $50 for every meetup, I'd be out hundreds and hundreds of dollars, and feeling angry and ripped-off, and have a whole different attitude about SA. If she shows up not looking as good as her pics and 15 pounds heavier now, I shrug and make the best of enjoying the next hour(s) drinking with a young woman; if I'm PAYING her to show up, it's a completely different ballgame if I feel she misrepresented herself with pics.
Basically, when SA has worked for me, it's: charm her over email, first meeting is a no-sex meet-and-greet with both of us sharing the risks (that is, I won't be paying her), discuss prices and expectations at the end of that meeting if you're so moved, and then follow up quickly to get to the sex.
So, anyway, could be something to your theory :)
That's right, JS! A man in his 50's going through a mid-life crisis and trying to live like he is a teenager again, must do whatever it takes to preserve whatever sliver of dignity he has left, right?
@subraman These bigger spenders are playing the game at a much higher level and no doubt having some amazing experiences. "(go ahead, ask me what those girls do for a living outside SA)". Let me guess are they strippers.
You should write that article, I would read it, your always very informative on here.
I'm not surprised the bigger spenders are having less problems with flaking. 1) They are likely spending a bit more per date in the beginning and looking for more frequent meet ups compared to the minimal type guys and 2) Most sb's are busy, they would rather earn all of it from one guy instead of having to take dick from a bunch of other guys each month.
@Sinclair I did read your article, nice read.
@Bj99 Some guys pay for the first meet and greet and some don't. I treat it as an investment of time for both parties involved. However if it was a good meet you could throw her a fifty because your likely going to be contacting her again.
@johnsmith69 It is a lot of work.
The five others I've met were all for coffee/lunch on the first meet, with no payment, and the two who followed through did so on the first or second "date" after the initial meetup.
The flakes have been numerous, the 10 year old or 30 pounds ago pictures have been many.
The sex has been on par with some of the best with favorite strippers, but none of it has made me want to give up strippers. :)
SJG
I broke it off with the last one and I've been clubbing heavily lately. I did meet someone I'm infatuated with at one of the no-contact strip clubs nearby. She's 19 and really something. So far just one lunch date, and got back from the date a few hours ago. She's a sophomore and pre-law.
To first order, I would say there's one supply-and-demand curve that applies to both SA and strippers. However strippers seem to be better at gauging their own self worth and tend to be slightly more expensive. Every single stripper I've gotten to know has come from some type of dysfunctional family -- usually involving their dad and alcohol. In contrast, the SA college girls have been perfectly normal and from better family backgrounds than my own.
Like @NanoDong, I just do unpaid coffee dates at first, which weeds out escorts. Maybe the biggest problem with the younger girls on SA is the "toe-dippers" and the "platonics." The "toe-dippers" are not sure if they want to go through with sleeping with older guys and flake out. The "platonics" seem to think someone will pay thousands of dollars to go out to dinner without sex.
Just a flood of college girls in my area...
Meanwhile I'm also trying to setup a date with a South American girl who also appears to be living with a host family.
IMO, the first part of the initial meet and greet is best used for compatibility, but if you like each other, no harm in working out deets for per-meeting allowance at the end of the date, while you're both feeling it
Found some good options as of last week that have more realistic allowance expectations.
Girl #1 - Was a bit shocked when she agreed to a couple hundred. I then suggested a meet and greet, she asked how much I was going to pay for that, duh. She has read my message but didn't reply back. I wasn't offering an allowance for the meet and greet but offered to pay any other expenses for the meet. (coffee, drinks, meal, etc.) I may follow up with her later if my other options don't work out.
Girl #2 - Was supposed to meet this one at the mall on Sunday afternoon for coffee. She didn't ask for anything to meet. She cancelled on me a couple of hours before saying she was sick and asked to postpone for another day. I'm not really buying this story, although it could be true. However, I see her online every few hours, makes me wonder. If the actual date ever happens she says I can pay her whatever I feel comfortable with.
Girl #3 - Texted this one up on Sunday evening. Next day I see she texted back at two in the morning to tell me her phone was dead. lol. We talked a bit today over text, haven't scheduled a meet yet. Kind of holding out for girl #2 right now to see if that is a go. She wants 250 for the first date, which is fine, but every successive date should be a bit more, says her sd's in the past have done this. Hmmm not too sure what to make of that.