Fuck amateur clubs. Why is Lido , NYC rated so highly? Has Admin considered send

If Founder hired someone to inspect clubs, it would be Papi...aka Mr. Info

@txtittyfag if u are here ...say hi.! you can find me sprawled in the cost corner sofa with a drink. I haven't moved in quiet some time seeing these dumb and ugly dancers.

You should get out while you can. Looking at ugly dancers will make you go blind. :(

Don't worry - Juice is on his way - he'll straighten things out

"Official inspectors to all clubs" what a laugh, who the hell is gonna pay for that? I doubt Founder has the funding for that sort of thing- its a skeleton crew running the place with a more or less hands off editorial policy.

People review clubs they go to and they may or may not have your standards. I know its time consuming but you need to learn to read between the lines of reviews (as to what a reviewers bias is ) to see if it matches up with your own. To be fair, that applies to anything you read on the internet- The old Caveat "Opinions are like Assholes and we all have them" applies.

I am not against club ads , but sell your boobs at face value. Don't misrepresent. When you say our dancers are the best you are definitely not comparing to cirque du soleil or ballet dancers or belly dancers. You compare against professional dancers at other clubs.
Target a niche audience that may repeat you. Nobody repeats these clubs, even the girls keep floating. Say something like : "Be a boy next door while your prom queen hugs you for half of each song with her boobs in your face." Or touch your neighbor's boobs that she sluttishly sways while carwashing" Or be lame say the truth ..we offer homely girls that will give you an experience you get in vip rooms for just 20 bucks and talk to you about your dreams and shit.... The strippers are very unprofessional at these places because the custys are amateur as well. Most go over 5-6 dances at a stretch where half the time the girl hugs you. No matter how fulfilling that hug is its masking bad dancing. Some may grind but in one pos for 10 minutes which again shows they have no moves. I had one girl do 4 dances at a stretch and she kept dancing facing me, didn't even turn her back once (which is bad an plain unidimensional). With so much on offer touching light kissing and hugging it seems they can get way with shitty dancing and still make more money than the genuine professional. Again whatever the custy likes... but I remember once a stripper came to me at Sapphire and said sci-fi for a while and then said with genuine sincerity "Do you want a dance? I'll give a very good dance." This takes too much courage to say with honesty because they know the customer knows how high the bar is. You may still get an air dance once in a while, but with experience you can read their eyes. A 15 minute great pole performance can gen as little as 10 dollars in tips and that's what true professionalism is ...Never take custys for granted. There's too much blood ans shit and integrity over many-many years required by the custys to earn every 20 bucks a they give you and you deserve that for your ethics and the hours you have put in to perfect dance movements of an experience that you give your customer.

Strip-clubbing is an inexact science - often times one just needs to see a club for themselves to see if it works for them or not - there isn't a club that's gonna work for every PL

I'm in NYC. Pay me and I'll inspect

Your 5 or 6 may be someone else's 8 or 9. If you didn't like it, well everyone has a different opinion. Never having been to a NYC club but ricks, hustlers, sapphire, etc. Sound like typical tourist traps/clip joints.

Lido NYC? That is an underground club, right? Probably with such a club, anything goes.

SJG

SJG underground clubs are very strict about they offer. It only sounds sexy, they have absolutely zero extras. The reality is they don't own a regular space and regular license. The license is another issue why they can't offer extras because of LE. They use the license of the hosting venue for liquor and the hosting venue will also come under fire.
Effectively its like a silicon valley garage start-up, girls are natural though. Also the offer free pizza, so you'll get the vibe. The organizer are on hugging terms with the dancers. So you get the vibe there as well. Everything is ad-hoc. Mostly there may not be a DJ and its common for the song to end abruptly. Somehow every start up feels like its way cooler and better than the establishment.

^^^^^^ I'm not understanding you.

Any place I have ever been, once it gets outside of the law, then anything goes and especially girls start selling pussy.

No business license, no alcohol license, no lease, no known location, very little to lose.

We had a place where girls were doing front room FS. Then it was in the mini-van they brought into the back parking lot.

But at a place where there is really no biz license, and a place that keeps moving, it should be no limits. Only ones who could be busted are the participants themselves, and that is hard for LE to do, and it doesn't amount to anything.

Some girl sell sex at private parties. Completely impractical for LE to ever do anything about that.

SJG

Well... logically you make a good point. However I am saying from experience. I have been to SVT a few times and to Lido. The girls don't organize themselves. One of the reason is that there is no true private booth. Either its a common dance room where everybody is getting a dance side by side or there may be makeshift booths where everything is visible from 3 sides. The other thing is that this is nyc and the mindset of the organizer and girls may vary. Also girls can get 5-7 dances from 1 bloke with just hugging, so I don't see why they would do FS. Most custys are amateur so the girls can easily convince them and rob them. There is no pole to distract either so your'e here just for the dance and talk about dreams and shit..the guys feel privileged to ramble for 15-20 minutes about bizarre things and then go for 10 dances at a stretch.. End of shift they can very easily end up with 500-600, the good looking ones may go above 1000 in clean dance money. I don't know what the organizer's cut or floor fee is.

A regular dancer at a established club (without extras or vip) can only make 200-300 after paying a 200$ floor fee in nyc clubs and tipping the DJ, bouncers and waitresses.
Extras is where the girl wants to make extra, in private clubs extra is the norm (whatever little extra it is and nothing more, it's very strict I have tried as well as I have had convos with regular patrons even otc is nearly impossible, in regular club 1 or 2 can easily give you their number in a day or 2.

@SJG just to be clear, Lido/SVT are not really what many people call "underground" clubs (meaning outlaw). The Lido business model seems more along the lines of a "Lap Dance Event" promotion that gets booked at a varying set of non-strip-club venues, which are on the up-and-up and have to protect their licenses -- usually the private event rooms/halls of a club/bar/restaurant, or the main room of a smaller club on nights it's dark.

The thing is that indeed part of the point with these gigs is that it does not work on the model of a strip club with a stage show and overpriced private areas. The usual situation for a Manhattan NY club is you have your stages, then you have your $20 lappers either at the table or at an open bench around the perimeter of the main room, then you have your "CR" which are not really private but rather a room/hall of partitioned booths where you'll be financially brutalized for not much more contact. Lido aspires to set up a staged after-work bar party scene where the girl you chat up will at some point offer to take you to a semiprivate area for a $20 lap dance... and there's no CR/"booth" to upsell. Another attraction for the dancers in this scheme is that they do not have to do stages or hustle drinks/bottles.

Lido may be suffering a "victim of its own success" phenomenon in that they are opening more shows per week, which either means there is growing customer demand OR they think there's untapped potential for growth -- which requires in turn more dancers to be available. That means more girls who -are- regular strippers in between gigs will show up. Also, the "movable event" scheme results in that the space can become unpredictable. I've seen same-day change-of-venue notifications, that has got to have an effect on attendance. All that can have an effect on quality. I must admit my latest visit this past summer -was- a lot less impressive than that from earlier trips.

ThereAndBackAgain and Cheo_D,

Thank you for clarifying. I had heard of Lido, but not SVT.

That these shows are promoted with fliers at regular night clubs does kind of suggest that it is not actually underground/outlaw.

I believe that in NYC there are outlaw clubs going where FS and OTC are standard. This is what I have heard.

There was an infamous place I had wanted to be at in Chicago, Cha Cha's. But it is now closed. They say it was mostly Puerto Rican and Black girls. No stage no pole, and they don't really strip. But they dance right at your chair, and the lights are very low. Most anything is potentially possible.

When San Jose's underground circuit was at it's best they had about 8 venues, never having a stage or a pole, and just dancing at your table. So it was like Cha Cha's. But at its best it was fully hands on and flashing was standard. But at the best of the venues it was anything goes, FS, BBBJ, DATY, anything, and the girls were always promoting OTC.

Now at the most extreme place there was zero advertising. Licensed as a Bar/Restaurant, but not as a strip club or adult entertainment. And is it was no longer a restaurant, so after it got busted they had to change their license.

But as I have seen, once a place is clearly outside the law, girls start doing FS. And front room is better for the owner, more plausible deniability. Actually better for the girls as it goes fast and the more public it is, the higher the demand level. They really raked in huge wads. Then they built up a huge home session clientele too.

As far as being organized, no the owner would certainly not want to organize them. The owner sees nothing. Having booths and back rooms don't increase the mileage, they just increase the house cut. Safer for the owner if he does not have that and just keeps the lights low.

Even after getting busted, the girls brought their own mini-van for the parking lot.

Now yes, there was a core group of Latinas, sisters and cousins. I call them "The Beloved Latina Escorts". They really knew how to make a guy feel like a king, and so they were beloved.

It just goes that way, guys come on to the girls and treat them right, and the girl yields. If they were anywhere else she'd be fucking him for free. So why not right then and there.

SJG

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