Curious. I hear GFE is getting more popular these days. What percentage of your OTC meetings could be classified as GFE?
I hope for ITC the percentage would be zero - the thought of that happening with other customers before me would gross me out.
-Ryan
flagooner is on the right track. Strippers are mostly virgins, so if you get lucky in the VIP, you'd be the first.
My stripper girl only does this with me and would do it for free but she needs to make a living. BWAHAHAHA You have got to be kidding us flagooner.
GFE is a separate charge. Some will, some won't. You need to find your balls and ask.
All my OTC is Girl Friend Experience. I take them out for an expensive dinner and a movie. Then I take them home and they say they have a headache.
I'll drink to fucking every stripper.
"Curious. I hear GFE is getting more popular these days. What percentage of your OTC meetings could be classified as GFE?"
Assume zero unless you ask beforehand, or make out ITC first. Most sex workers DO NOT make out. They save that for their boyfriends. Yes, most strippers will fuck you with a rubber before they will DFK. No fluids exchanged with a condom, but there is no such thing as a DFK condom. I dont bother ask about OTC until there is an ITC make out session.
"I hope for ITC the percentage would be zero - the thought of that happening with other customers before me would gross me out."
Buying sex workers isnt for you if you think of it that way.
LOL! Funny shit. All the replies :)
...yeah, all virgins.
Listen, if a stripper is fucking you she's probably fucked 4 guys before you that night. If she hasn't it's only because she just started her shift and hasn't had enough time yet.
Out of sift out of mind just don't think about it. I really don't want to see the kitchen at TGIFridays where my food is prepared either - I just eat it. As long as my dick doesn't fall of from ducking strippers and I don't loose my ass from eating at restaurants - everything will be okay.
Man random is spot on - those replies are priceless!!!
I could not count the number of times I've heard, "I've only done this once before" or some variant from a woman that is far too comfortable with the situation and far too skilled to be anything but a seasoned pro.
I don't think this hobby is for you. What ever she does with you she does with other men, very possibly minutes ago.
Yes OTC for me has always been a GFE, at least the way that I define a GFE.
With DS I, II, and III, that meant fucking bareback. And with them, I always gave them an orgasm. At least whenever they were in the mood for one which was usually. These were the ultimate GFE but it doesn't have to be that good to be a GFE.
With all my OTCs, I always receive a BBBJ, and I can CIM if I want to uncovered. I don't insist upon swallowing but I like it. I insist upon very slow and intimate blow jobs that I teach the girls how to perform. If they won't do this its not a GFE and they don't get my money.
It always means kissing. I insist upon kissing. It's not a GFE without good kissing.
Any stripper who won't do these things is not worth the money in my view.
In the last 3 years all of my OTCs have been at my house and all have been GFE because I don't bring just anybody to my house. I have to know them pretty well first.
ITC about half of my VIP trips are GFE. Those that are not, don't get another shot.
For a RICH STUD like me it is. Others' mileage may vary.
Exact same experience for me as JS69 just wrote. Always have GFE, always cum inside her...
in my experience it depends on the stripper. GFE to consist of DFK and a make out session of sorts. if strippers can get by with not doing this and doing as little as possible in general I think they will. You mightwant to let it be known up front if thats what you want included.
What the experts do is instead of having a discussion about it, they just start making out with her right in the front room, when she is sitting with them.
Our local clubs are too restrictive for that, but at our underground circuit, it can get close to that.
And then in AMPs, I've always treated the girls like civilians, and just started coming on to them verbally and making out with them before even undressing. Most of the time it works and the results are phenomenal.
But then I was one of the blokes for a Renn Faire kissing game, long ago.
SJG
All of my OTC relationships are Girl Friend Experience. IE: Last week in Cincinnati I picked up my GFE at her home at about 6:45. She is a petite blonde with a pair of nice "C's". She was wearing a white halvsey top with the shortest booty shorts I've ever seen and boots. Very sexy showing off her nice booty. We embraced and immediately her tongue was in my mouth sparring with my tongue. We drove to a nice restaurant for a nice dinner and some drinks. Then it was back to my hotel where we laid on the bed watching a movie. Within about 10-15 minutes she could control herself no longer and she undressed the lower half of me and slowly and gently started playing with my dick. When erect she started slowly licking the head of my dick and the sides of my dick an finally taking it all the way down into her throat and slowly sucking away. When she felt my dick start to throb like I might cum she would slow down to a stop and let me rest she wanted it to last as long as possible for me. She continued that for almost an hour. Finally I rolled her over and thrust it in her pussy and rammed it home for a while before pulling out and exploding a load all over those beautiful titties. We cleaned up and cuddled during the rest of the movie. When it was time to take her home we dressed and headed back to Cincinnati. When we arrived at her home I walked her to the door. We hugged and kissed and before leaving I pressed 6 crisp $50 bills in her hand. She went in the house I drove away and texted her that I was back safely at my hotel. We texted a few minutes said good night and I went to sleep. This is a true GFE for me.
It's a crapshoot - just like there are strippers that will fuck and those that won't, there are some that will do GFE and many IME won't - I think GFE has a higher failure rate than FS - I would do a OTC or 2 w/o GFE so she can get comfortable w/ you (and the $$$) then let her know you need GFE to continue OTCing
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I'm with Papi on this one. Down to the T.
GFE means... uncovered FS to you guys? In this area, it means: BBBJ, CFS, DFK, DATY, and MSOG
Uncovered FS is uncovered FS, not GFE... no?
I don't understand the comment I guess here of course GFE means uncovered of course it means everything and anything goes. GFE MEANS " GIRL FRIEND EXPERIENCE" If your girlfriend wants you to wear a condom you have a prostitute not a girlfriend. If your girlfriend charges you for sex by the hour you have a prostitute not a girlfriend if your girlfriend refuses DATY or DFK you have a prostitute Not a Girlfriend !!!!
Papi, I think it just comes down to how you are choreographing it with the girl. Is she P4P, or are you treating her like a civilian, plus paying her.
I only do anything the later way.
jestrite50, I think BBFS is more popular now than it was a decade ago. And I do not know whether the more relaxed attitude is really warranted. I just don't know.
But what I do know is, usually GFE means with DFKing. On Redbook, they specified RB-GFE = DKF + DATY + BBBJ + MSOG covered .
They did not even allow discussion of BBFS. And notice that it does not include Anal or FIV. Lots of pros reject FIV. It is supposed to be practical.
Today at AMPs I'm always doing DATY + FIV. So long as they are not PMS and retaining water down there, they really love it.
Rubmaps does not deal with the higher mileage levels that well. But the new AAMPmaps does, including BBFS and Anal.
But I 100% agree with you as emphatically as I can that the objective is just to get the girl to open up to you and lower all psychological and emotional barriers and just give herself to you. And girls innately understand this.
But as I see it there still could be some physical limits.
With most girls, once you can get them DFKing,, they really open up and just get completely attached to you, and the physical limits are very few.
Thanks, SJG
-->"I don't understand the comment I guess here of course GFE means uncovered of course it means everything and anything goes. GFE MEANS " GIRL FRIEND EXPERIENCE""
Jest, Yes, agree, that's what the letters stand for. And I agree, with no other context, that sure sounds like it could mean BB FS. But, I can tell you definitively, if an escort in this area advertises GFE and you expect BB FS, you'll be very disappointed... plain and simple, girlfriend experience does not imply bareback full service. I suppose this might vary by region, but it's just not implied that things are BB, here. Unless someone participates in this area of the sexy industry, they might not know exactly what GFE means in their area. Just like the phrase "I could care less" actually means "I COULDN'T care less", you have to pick up the definition from its use...
But, it sounds like on tuscl, all of you think it means BB FS... I was just trying to figure out how you guys here are using the term
Jestrite doesn't call escorts, he doesn't pay women for sex.
He sets up women, usually coming from strip clubs, as his mistresses. That's how I would describe it.
SJG
"... But, it sounds like on tuscl, all of you think it means BB FS ..."
Only 2 or 3 posters have mentioned BB - I think for most GFE means affection (cuddling; kissing; hugging, etc) - I don't think most guys are looking for BB since I think most guys are not willing to take the chance - if anything; in prior BB comments/threads; it seems the consensus is that it's not worth the risk.
I would say that GFE = DFKing. Because in some P4P situations the women refuse to kiss. So to distinguish, this terminology was invented. I believe it came from those coming to the US from Taiwan for AAMP service. In Taiwan they like English language acronyms for American stuff.
Because those compete with domestic escorts, and because the people are effectively screened by the appointment process, the "service level" is higher. And then the Taiwan girls were faster to take to GFE than the other Asians. Most of them are very good at it.
DFKing is the most important component. Usually once you get a girl doing that, all psychological and emotional defenses collapse.
On Red Book they specified RB-GFE = DFKing + DATY + BBBJ + MSOG covered.
It is supposed to be like a typical civilian date.
Notice it does not include:
FIV, Anal, BBFS, or BBBJTCIMWS.
Some pros decline FIV.
BBFS had been seen as high risk. I question the wisdom of lowering the caution level.
Most of the Asian escorts aren't experienced with cum in mouth, because they don't watch American porno movies, so that along with Anal are specialties.
But the BJ is supposed to be BB.
I would still say though that the only essential element is DFKing, because that sends virtually all girls into orbit. So usually she will just let go completely, and this is all that really matters.
Best thing though is not to have a discussion about it, just choreograph the situation and the conversation some, and then at the right early on moment, kiss her.
SJG
Yes, the idea is that she is like your girlfriend, this is how they are pitching it. But the essential element is DFKing.
And as far as I have ever seen, once you start DFKing a girl, she is at least provisionally your girlfriend. Women have zero resistance to that. Once you and she are done, what she will likely really feel is that she wants you to take her home with you.
And yes, people do advertise PSE. Sometimes that may mean less kissing. So I would always want GFE+PSE.
But PSE usually will mean with Cum in mouth and swallow, or cum on face, and usually allowing FIV, and usually anal too.
Some of the RedBook Taiwan girls would be advertised as RB-GFE, plus the special option of Cum in mouth and swallow, and sometimes even anal. Sometimes, just for anal, they charge extra.
But most of them would not do cum in mouth or anal. But the rest of it, extensive DFKing, Daty, BBBJ, and that MSOG, were awesome.
MSOG is, in my view, more of a qualitative issue. The girl will have been softened up completely with all the DFKing and the first SOG. And she has to do more, play a bigger part, to make the second SOG go off. So there is a qualitative difference, more than just a quantitative difference.
I think they tie this to the idea of a girlfriend because she is not really providing a service, she is just letting you do what you want with her, and really just allowing herself to be fully drawn into it.
It's the Asian response to domestic escorts. And also, at AMPs you can window shop, and for me this always means a degree of flirting, and that really helps. But at AAMPs this is absent, so they have to offer it in a way which compensates for that.
But the venue with the highest potential is a strip club, because there really needn't be any rules about front room fraternizing.
SJG
Claude Debussy youtube.com
Perhaps some confuse GFE (girlfriend experience) w/ PLE (PL experience)
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Actually, in my view, letting girls sell you dances, that is ringing you like a cash register, sucking your wallet dry, the Ultimate PL Experience.
But most guys seem to let it go that way, like a sail boat with no rudder.
SJG
Papi_, I think where some confusion is coming in here is just because a dancer or escort calls it GFE does not mean it is GFE. I have no problem going bareback with these GFE girls because I have vetted every one of them first. I get to know them get to know their families and audition them before we ever have sex. These are not Skank Hoes I'm picking up or getting from backpage. I get the top quality dancers that average around 25 years old. They normally are single mom's trying to keep a roof over their child's head and food on the table. We actually develope a relationship between us where something is expected of them and I fulfill their expectation of me. I take good care of them on birthdays and holidays and they take good care of me sexually taking care of my needs. I only have one girl in each city I stay in as a rule and if they don't keep the bargain I fire them. Some I have been with as long as 5 years. So I don't worry about covered or smothered or scattered or in a ring. I leave that to Waffle House.
I don't doubt there is a fair-amout of barebacking going-on; but there's 2-sides to the BB-coin:
as a PL assuming/hoping you are the only-one BBing - even if she's not BBing for $$$ w/ other custies they can have a guy on the side and that guy could be banging other chicks
the dancer agreeing to BB - many won't since they assume if you BB w/ them you BB with others
BB P4P has got to be more dangerous than BB civvy-world, in general - it's not a guarantee one will get burned; but IMO the odds are increased w/ P4P.
Like I say Papi I don't just bareback any girl, yes I know there are still risks but I get to know my girl pretty well and these are country girls for the most part and I feel pretty safe. I have been doing this for several years and haven't had a mistake in judgement but we will see. Maybe not for everyone but I feel pretty safe with my girls. Only one is still dancing. The rest have quit dancing and have civilian jobs now. Seems like when I hire them they can quit dancing. What's that all about ??
Che-->"Silly me. I always thought GFE meant you pay a prostitute/stripper to act like your girl friend during your sexual tryst. Is that not the plain and simple of it? That sounds basically like what everyone is saying."
Che -- in the old days -- I mean REALLY old days -- when guys on strip club forums talked about GFE, they meant exactly what you said. No particular sexual acts implied, just a girl who was so amazing that it felt like you were having sex with a girlfriend instead of some for-pay floozy. That probably meant YMMV, and probably meant DFK, and probably meant other things ... but the main point was to make a statement about her genuine her attitude and service felt.
However, the escort community took the term and formalized it, and as I said above, GFE is now just shorthand for: "BBBJ, CFS, DFK, DATY, and MSOG". Girls advertise GFE, and guys look for it, if they want those things. In the escort world, GFE says nothing about her attitude or whether it feels genuine, it just means she does those 5 acts, no more, no less. (although again, the term might be regional and imply BBFS in some areas, I suppose).
I think the old strip club forum definition -- genuine attitude -- is way better, and more interesting to me, personally. But if you use GFE to mean that, it just gets confusing now.
In some forums GFE means gay friend experience
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Ya..GFE means bareback. These girls fool themselves into thinking its a SDSB relationship. IMO
You are not going to fuck your girlfriend with a condom on, so I don't see how CFS can be part of GFE?
you tell me where I can find easily accessible OTC that guarantees GFE, and I'm willing to throw down a buck or 2
-->"You are not going to fuck your girlfriend with a condom on, so I don't see how CFS can be part of GFE?"
Larry, "I could care less" means the exactly same thing as "I couldn't care less". Why? Because that's how it's used.
GFE as used in the escort area does NOT mean bareback FS, it does not mean anything about the girl's attitude being girlfriend-like, it's shorthand for BBBJ, CFS, DFK, DATY, and MSOG, and very well-understood in the escort community as such. Doesn't matter if you don't like it or don't think it makes sense -- I don't think the phrase "I could care less" makes any sense, but I"m stuck with people saying it. Again, that may vary by region I suppose, but someone who actually knows how it's used in their region (and isn't taking guesses) will need to confirm if it means BB FS there.
If it's being used in tuscl in a non-standard way, to mean bareback FS, that's fine... but I couldn't tell if everyone was using it the same way, and am still not sure
Larry, lots of people do fuck their girlfriends and their wives with condoms on. Condoms used carefully prevent pregnancy. It is one of the few ways which is not permanent that a guy use to can prevent conception. Most of the other ways depend on the woman, and that is COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE!
Subraman, I think you might be talking about SF-Redbook and the phenomenal influence it exerted.
Often prostitutes don't kiss, and this is probably even more so in AMPs. So I have learned how to get it to be GFE anyway.
But when cell phones and Internet emerged, so did AAMPs, trying to compete with domestic escorts. So they, starting with Taiwan where every one likes English language acronyms, like BLT ( bacon lettuce tomato ), they offered escort service with GFE. And what that meant was DFKing, and the Taiwan girls take to that much easier than most of the other Asians, especially Koreans.
But how far does it go? I would say it is to be like a typical college date, but not a date with a porn star.
RB-GFE = DKF, DATY, BBBJ, MSOG ( covered )
Do people BBFS their college dates today? I wouldn't think so, but I really don't know. I would not, because where is the contraception. And you never believe words that come out of a girl's mouth. That means depending on what goes on between a girl's ears. Can never do that.
Also excludes FIV, as many sex workers prohibit that.
And it excludes Anal.
Also excludes cum in mouth and swallow. I don't think most college girls would do that, just only some. And most of the Asian girls don't, because they don't watch American porno movies
Now Jestrite50 is an expert strip clubber and expert womanizer. He keeps mistresses in various cities and has wonderful times with them. But he is not practicing monogamy, and so though he does not pay for sex, he does give them maintenance money. He talks about this as GFE, but this is not the original meaning of the term.
SJG
Erik Satie youtube.com
Yeah; we need a JFE (Juice friend experience) - bucket of KFC and all
I wouldn't worry about strippers giving extras to other customers ITC.
The other strippers would think of them as a whore so they only do it with their special one and only. It's part of the stripper code.