Am I just bitter or does this make sense?

If she was worth paying for to begin with, and she remains worth paying for, yeah, I'd see her again. So what if he's getting it for "free"? That kind of free costs a lot of time and attention, and money as well.

Sugar babies are common. Why begrudge her her sugar daddy? He may not be paying her directly but I'll bet he is paying her bills.
Kept mistresses have been common throughout history, if you were not willing to pony up and she found a guy that was willing & able to keep her why worry about it.
Move one dude

^^^ Agree with TT. He's probably her SD and no more of a "real" GF than you are. If you enjoy the experience, then keep seeing her. Going to her FB page is a huge waste of time and slightly neurotic.

I think what you experiencing what is a perfect example of BR...

*bad sentence. She's not a "real" GF to either of you

Step back and think for a second. Think about what you have to offer this woman? What do you bring to the table? What does she bring to the table?

Maybe this love interest of hers brings something to the table. It could be money and security .. or .. it could be something else?

But whatever he has doesn't matter because you are not him. So seriously ask yourself, what do you have to offer this woman?

.. or .. it could be something else?"

ButterMan, there is only one possible answer: Billy Bob Thornton guy must have a python in his pants!

Dominic makes a good point. He has something you don't. That's why she's fucking him for the free.

Remember we now call that BH "butt hurt" around here.

To analyze the situation a few questions need to be asked.

1. Is this guy well off? But then again to a stripper if a guy doesn't live with his mom and can pay his bills she may think he's well off. On the other hand there are strippers that would expect nothing less than a Mercedes to drive if they were dating a guy.

2. Had you ever asked to be in a relationship with her. She may have always assumed your relationship was P4P and nothing less or more. Think about it, if she even likes to fuck you for free, why would she offer to do it for free when you were always paying for it.

3. Do you want to be her boyfriend, or just want free sex? Those are two different scenarios and unless you want to be her boyfriend you're better off just paying for it than what the other guy is getting. You get just the good parts of the relationship (sex) and pay a minimal "access fee" where he gets her 24/7 which will include the bad with the good.

In my experience with younger girls dating or marrying older guys they usually are getting something out of it, financial security, the ability to not have to work, etc. on the rare occasion the guy is a loser and he's outsmarted the younger girl into thinking he could take care of her. Next thing you know they have a kid together and she's stuck.

She's a 21 year old girl, and a stripper. Since when does anything they do make sense?

Fuck that pussyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!

A 50 yo who looks like Billy Bob Thornton? Lol oh you better believe he's paying for that 20 yo pussy. Sounds like she's a SB now.

The line about if you want to be her boyfriend or just fuck her for free is a good one.

Just bitter

I would be jealous to if I was paying her to get nekid. Then she was going out with someone else and calling him daddy. as she fucked him close to a heart attack.

ButterMan: You're insane if you think that 50-year-old isn't paying her. It might not be explicit money-for-sex like it is with you, but I guarantee he's spending FAR more on her. What you should be feeling is bad for him... it's not uncommon for these guys to fool themselves into thinking "she loves me for me", even as he spends thousands on her, and rationalizing to himself that "she didn't ask for this, it's all my idea". An ATF of mine had a guy like that for a while, she got about $15k off him in the space of a couple of months, and what he got at the end was his heart badly broken. She would have gotten much more money off him, for much longer, if she'd only played ball and had sex with him, but she decided it wasn't worth the $. That poor guy was convinced that the money he was spending on her was just him spoiling her, with no idea that in her mind, it was solidly quid-pro-quo for the pleasure of her company.

I think this helps why The System is so powerful here. (1) The sponsor is never overpaying per se because the sponsor aiming to pay the provider (adjusted local escort) market rates for the hour and (2) you're not caring whom she goes home to share a warm bed with (keep things clean and compartmentalized).

Dominic you asked what I have to offer this woman? That question is totally irrelevant to the topic. But I've often noticed a lot of the stuff that you post here is to be honest...LoL I never wanted to be her boyfriend nor do I now. The point was the reason most of us pay these girls is because they're half our age or for no strings attached it just seems like I shouldn't be doing so any longer if someone else my age is getting it for free. And I don't think he is her sugar daddy in the sense that us TUSCLers here are but I'm sure he's taking good care of her none of that matters I was just expressing my thoughts on the situation.

^would you want to be her sd?

ButterMan I feel you man! Although I've seen a few strippers in their 20's dating guys in their 40's and 50's.

"... But I feel like if things blow up and she comes back to the "game" ..."

So who do you think it's maintaining her and making up for her not being "in the game" any-longer - most strippers; even most women, will not leave making $$$ to be broke w/ a dude (well some stupid ones will) - most likely he is providing for her ($$$) so I doubt it's completely "free".

Papi I have no doubt he is taking good care of her. My point is he is on front page of her FB. Strippers don't put us PL'S as their profile pic. Nor do we put them out there for everyone to see. What I'm saying is he isn't doing p4p with her like we do. He is some kind of BF to her to her even if money is a selling. I understand billy Bob wouldn't be with her if he is broke. But it's still a different relationship then what guys like us usually have. I just don't think I would pay to fuck her anymore if she is dating a guy older than me. Because she is half my age is the only reason I started paying to fuck her in the first place.

Sounds a bit jealous and bitter.

1. It might not bee your cove to go OTC with her any longer.

2. If it is going to be in your head if you do get another chance, it probably wouldn't be fun anyway so don't do it.

3. If she was good and you can get over your hangups, why not?

Just because he didn't put the cash in her hand doesn't mean he didn't pay her somehow. She gets free room and board, food, amenities and frivolities. I would "love" him too if I was a woman. Get your money how you can I say.

-->"My point is he is on front page of her FB. Strippers don't put us PL'S as their profile pic. Nor do we put them out there for everyone to see. What I'm saying is he isn't doing p4p with her like we do. He is some kind of BF to her to her even if money is a selling."

I think in your fit of jealousy, you're (possibly) mis-reading the situation and misunderstanding the how strippers view these types of relationships. First of all, who cares if he's not doing "p4p with her like we do" -- what does it matter how others structure their p4p? Because it is almost certainly p4p, perhaps not in his mind, but in hers, even if part of the pay is to do some roleplaying about their relationship (to be clear: to her it's roleplaying, he thinks it's real). In the case of my ATF who I discussed above, while he was paying her many thousands per month, I was still having sex with her for free (and if we didn't have FWB status, let's say I would have been paying her $300, versus his $7000-ish per month, still a pretty amazing deal for me). That guy loses his money, he loses her -- absolutely, positively no different than you.

If you think she's "giving it away free", you've passed the point of rationality or any kind of comprehension of what's going on ... probably best to avoid her in any case

Ok ok, I'll tell her to update her profile pic because of some excuse.


Just kidding. :)

With so much pussy out there it boggles the mind why someone would chase after a dancer who doesn't want anything to do with them. Move on already.

Is your name Butterman or Bitterman?

"With so much pussy out there it boggles the mind why someone would chase after a dancer who doesn't want anything to do with them. Move on already."

I'll pay for pussy. I'll beg for pussy. But I sure as hell won't beg to pay for pussy!

Subra,flaggoner you fellas just don't get it at all. I'm not jealous,or chasing her at all I'm sorry this post went way over your head...LoL I'll try to write more kindergarten like next time

^^^Lol, I think writing like kindergarten would still go over flagtard's head. Try writing like preschool lol.

Man this sweet stripper I was infatuated with baby daddy showed up at the club. This nigga was a short Webster looking mother fucker. I mean short. 4'11.

This girl could have drained my life savings, and I could only think a nigga like that couldn't pull the bitches I do OTC and here this mother fucka is owning the girl of my dreams.

Hard reality. But that's a good reminder not to get caught up (build your self esteem ) on nailing hot chicks. Just like some guys, strippers are indiscriminate on who gets the pussy IRL, but ITC they are shark ass hustlers. Single track money grab. And quite honestly we need them to be that way.

Hopefully you learned to hit up stripper looking 21 y/o IRL because you never fckn know which one of them is dancing for dollars and needs a sugar daddy in their life they wouldn't otherwise notice ITC

Kindergarten? I think you might be giving us too much credit

That said, putting aside whether you're really jealous, I believe you're looking at something that's almost certainly a form of pay-for-play -- whether HE realizes it or not -- she's not giving it away

Butterman: Am I just bitter or does this make sense? ..... Blah Blah Blah....

Response: You sound bitter.

Butterman: Sob, sob. You don't get it at all. Maybe I should keep my writing at a kindergarten level. (wipes away tears)

Why ask the question if you don't want to hear an honest assessment?

Your answer wasn't an honest answer you old fool...LOL Your just trying to be confrontational. At least Supraman replayed back with a little class. And your right larryfisherman i'll pre-school next time with this old clown:)

Lol!

What wasn't honest?

1. The choice to see her again might not be yours to make.

2. If you do get the chance but are consumed by this situation, seeing her probably won't be fun anyway.

3. If you can see her again and can get past this, go for it.

What is dishonest about that?

Or was it just that I thought you sounded jealous and bitter?

@GACA: It might of been Webster. Is that cat still alive? Maybe he finally just floated away on all those balloons. I was always worried about that happening.

Is it possible she's just dating him? Yes. I knew a girl (civilian) who twice married guys 20 years older than her. Divorced both times as well. But in both cases the dudes had serious money. So it may not be a straight p4p but there is money (security) involved.

Good chance it may be along the lines of what rh48 mentioned - many of the se girls will leave the game, or only leave the game, if they are getting taken care off well.

I think it's safe to assume most dancers have a guy they are banging for "free" - it's just the nature of the beast and one just needs to take it in PL-stride as we should take a lot of other things in PL-stride when dealing w/ dancers.

One reason I try not to get involved with their personal lives unless I can accept the parts I don't want to know.

-->" I think it's safe to assume most dancers have a guy they are banging for "free""

Agree, but from what I can tell, the fact that she was banging someone for free isn't what bothered him -- it's the fact that the guy she's banging for free is some ugly middle-aged guy. I think I know what he's thinking: totally understand if she's banging some hunky 25-year-old guy for free, of course it's understandable that she's fucking some young guy, but she's banging a peer of his (or even someone lower in the pack) ... which means that she could just as easily have chosen HIM to bang for free, and didn't. I get it because that thought might cross my mind too. But that fact that he's a middle-aged ugly guy is precisely why I'm certain that guy is paying, and paying, and paying, even if part of what he's paying for is a performance on her part that he's truly her boyfriend who she loves "for him".

Ok Supreman I think you "kinda" get it now. Much more than flagtard!And yes I fully expected her to have a 25 year old BF. whether he sits more and plays x-box all day or not wouldn't bother me. Let's say you have evolved on this topic and leave it at that!

To Butterman, Or you might try to think about it like this, she loves, him but she's fucking me, you have the better deal, and you don't need to deal with her bullshit and I'm sure she has plenty of . You are getting what you want and he has to wait at home while you are banging her.

Butter: that was my understanding all along. But in a similar situation, my thinking is: I don't want her to be my girlfriend, or to pretend to be my girlfriend, so I don't care about that part, or about couples pictures on Facebook or whatever. And as far as banging her, if we tally the real costs: she fucking me for $250. She's isn't exchanging sex for money with him directly, but if you tally it up, I'd be shocked if he's not spending $1000 on her for every fuck, not to mention all shit he's putting him through (he's a 21-year-old stripper's SO -- He is on a rollercoaster of high highs but also irritation, disrespect, and misery)

fuck. What happened to my s button? Last 2 lines should have read:

mention all shit SHE's putting him through (he's a 21-year-old stripper's SO -- He is on a rollercoaster of high highs but also irritation, disrespect, and misery)

Supra you make a good point. But I'll sum it all up. To me there is a difference than a P4P and a young chick being with some old guy because he has money. Some may disagree. That's ok. My thoughts are that i'm paying this 21 year old hottie for sex because she is less than half my age and I feel like i probably won't be able to get that pussy for free like I could when I was close to her age. And then I find out she has a BF 6 years older than me. I'm not jealous, I don't want a relationship with anybody right now. But I just wont pay her for pussy anymore now that it's clear that the reason I was doing so in the first place doesn't seem valid.

"... Am I just bitter or does this make sense ..."

I think it makes sense that you're bitter.

There - both possibilities covered

:)

It sounds like your decision is made. Now it's time to move on and not look in the rearview mirror.

Bertolucci got exiled for 4 years over that Butter Scene.

http://nthposition.com/threefilmsbernard…

"Obscene content offensive to public decency... presented with obsessive self-indulgence, catering to the lowest instincts of the libido, dominated by the idea of stirring unchecked appetites for sexual pleasure, permeated by scurrilous language... accompanied off screen by sounds, sighs and shrieks of climax pleasure." - Court in Bologna that banned Last Tango in Paris in Italy, and exiled Bernardo Bertolucci for four years.

SJG

Butter, you're getting emotional over a paid piece of ass. Who knows how these girls think? If they thought like most of us, they probably wouldn't be taking cash for sex and living with much older dudes to begin with. Just take it for what it is. There is nothing but downside in tying ego and self worth issues to a simple p4p arrangement.

I'm not emontional or bitter at all over this girl. I'm more emotional over the back and forth of this thread than I ever was her. I was just asking an opinion of like minded people I thought.

Look at this way - it could be worse - she could be shacking up w/ Juice and fucking *him* for "free"

Why ask if we think you are bitter if you are going to get so emotional if someone says yes?

Like I said flaggoner I don't consider your answer honest. You just want to have a confrontational all back and forth which is probably why you keep coming back to this week old thread. I broke it down and explained it to supra already a few comments up.

Okay. Ignore it if you want. That is fine. No sweat off my nuts.

I just come back to the thread when new comments are added. I just re- read your comment to supra. I understand how you feel, and I probably would have similar feelings/frustrations if I was in your situation.

The only comment I made to be "confrontational" was the pun about your name. Oops, that fell flat. My bad.

I just don't understand why you get hostile when you ask a yes/no type opinion question and get a response that isn't what you want to hear.

I guess you just don't want to answer a specific question. That's fine. But there wasn't anything I said that was meant to be attacking, and it was my honest assessment of what I interpreted from you initial post.

Just let it go dude. We're not gonna agree and it appears we the only guys left on this thread at this point!