More human trafficking bull shit.
shadowcat
Atlanta suburb
DAYTONA BEACH, Fla. - A lawsuit filed this week contends the constitutional rights of workers at a Daytona Beach strip club are being violated by an ordinance on human trafficking awareness.
"We're just trying to do our bit to help keep people safe," said Chief Stephan Dembinsky, public safety director.
The city of Daytona Beach Shores said its new ordinance created last December is to combat human trafficking.
"We don't know if there's a human trafficking in Daytona Beach Shores but we felt that a city ordinance that we passed would help us discover if in fact we had a problem," Dembinsky said.
The ordinance is for businesses that have alcohol and adult entertainment. The establishment would have to post public awareness signs pertaining to human trafficking and workers must obtain a permit and submit their fingerprints.
"Then we know who's working there and if they have any problems or if they're being trafficked, we hope they would talk to us about it," Dembinsky said.
However, Biggins Gentleman's Club is the only business in town that fits the criteria.
"The city has chosen to impose these requirements on a single business and that looks a little bit like harassment," said Greg Edinger, the attorney representing the business.
Edinger said the club, along with one of its dancers, is suing the city to drop the ordinance. Edinger said it violates civil rights, it's burdensome and it doesn't help combat human trafficking.
"Human trafficking is a real big problem in our society, but human trafficking in adult clubs is exceptionally rare," he said.
Daytona Beach Shores said it can't comment on the lawsuit but said it's not targeting the business.
"That's ludicrous," Dembinsky said. "We're not out to get anybody. What we're out to do is combat human trafficking. I would not want to violate anyone's constitutional rights."
Biggins, a nightclub, and Deborah Tricoli, an exotic-dance entertainer at the club, are seeking a declaratory judgment, damages and a permanent injunction, according to the suit.
The suit alleges that the ordinance "creates a prior restraint on free speech because it requires workers in adult entertainment establishments, including Biggins, to submit their fingerprints and obtain a license from the defendant before they can work or perform in such an establishment.
"We're just trying to do our bit to help keep people safe," said Chief Stephan Dembinsky, public safety director.
The city of Daytona Beach Shores said its new ordinance created last December is to combat human trafficking.
"We don't know if there's a human trafficking in Daytona Beach Shores but we felt that a city ordinance that we passed would help us discover if in fact we had a problem," Dembinsky said.
The ordinance is for businesses that have alcohol and adult entertainment. The establishment would have to post public awareness signs pertaining to human trafficking and workers must obtain a permit and submit their fingerprints.
"Then we know who's working there and if they have any problems or if they're being trafficked, we hope they would talk to us about it," Dembinsky said.
However, Biggins Gentleman's Club is the only business in town that fits the criteria.
"The city has chosen to impose these requirements on a single business and that looks a little bit like harassment," said Greg Edinger, the attorney representing the business.
Edinger said the club, along with one of its dancers, is suing the city to drop the ordinance. Edinger said it violates civil rights, it's burdensome and it doesn't help combat human trafficking.
"Human trafficking is a real big problem in our society, but human trafficking in adult clubs is exceptionally rare," he said.
Daytona Beach Shores said it can't comment on the lawsuit but said it's not targeting the business.
"That's ludicrous," Dembinsky said. "We're not out to get anybody. What we're out to do is combat human trafficking. I would not want to violate anyone's constitutional rights."
Biggins, a nightclub, and Deborah Tricoli, an exotic-dance entertainer at the club, are seeking a declaratory judgment, damages and a permanent injunction, according to the suit.
The suit alleges that the ordinance "creates a prior restraint on free speech because it requires workers in adult entertainment establishments, including Biggins, to submit their fingerprints and obtain a license from the defendant before they can work or perform in such an establishment.
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Why can't Ted Cruz threaten to carpet bomb politicos along w/ISIS?... and then proceed to step on a IED himself when he's finished doing that.
Sounds like a WIN-WIN strategy there... and he'd definitely get my vote if he ever did that.
Albeit posthumously for him.
Fuk this Dembinsky asshole and his disingenuous bullshit blather.....
SHEEESH !
Amsterdam has had problems where even legal brothels are used as fronts by organized crime where they kidnap women, some from other countries, and force them to work as hookers. There have been cases where prostitutes who choose to work at an establishment, not forced, had no clue some of their co-workers were actually kidnapped and enslaved against their will.
And even in countries where it's legal, illegal brothels still pop up because criminals don't want to share their money with the government, so they can charge even less and still make more money.
Call me a moral fag, I don't care. I'm fine with porn (yes I'm aware it sort of is prostitution, but at least the actors know each other and are sort of on equal footing), strip clubs, nude art, etc, I think of myself as a sex positive guy, and think the world is way too sexually repressed but I just don't agree with prostitution. And human trafficking is one of those many reasons and before you say it, no none of my other reasons are religious. It just seems so empty and hallow to me when it becomes a business, if someone wants to have sex with me, I want it to be because they actually wanna have sex with me, not because I flashed some money in front of them. That and it just sends a message that women are just things that are only good for sex and nothing else, and I don't agree with that.
I know someone is gonna argue dating is kind of prostitution, but I give a chick a gift because I like her and wanna make her happy, not because I'm trying to buy sex. If sex happens it happens and fantastic, if it doesn't but we still had a fun night then fantastic. I'm dating because I actually wanna have relationship with this person, not just sex. Yeah sex is a part of it, but there's more to a relationship than just sex.
I'm rambling, not trying to come off as talking down to you guys (and gals), nor am I trying to tell you what to do, it's your life and you're free to do what you want, just giving my point of view.
I’m no expert on the subject but I once heard that there are actually more human beings trafficked in the *non*-sex industry than in the sex-industry – it’s just many of those that are anti-sex industry will use human-trafficking as their way to get rid of the sex-industry which they don’t want even if there was no human-trafficking involved.
SJG
SJG
I stumble upon:
Super Bowl 50: Human trafficking crackdown yielded dozens of arrests, citations
http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_294…
Also, @cantsleep wrote, "Countries that legalized prostitution actually have increased human trafficking, and it's a problem for every country. "
The problem with this is that "trafficking is extremely ill defined. One book gave the example of a man who spends half of his year in Europe as a stock broker, and the other half resting in his native India.
Is he a human trafficking victim?
No, it mostly means sex workers. But I remember one radio show about this. A woman who had worked in Spain returned to her home village in Africa and they went all out and put on a 3 day long event. She is by far the richest person in the village.
So if a woman voluntarily becomes a prostitute and does it elsewhere, is everyone involved a trafficker?
The American Trafficking Victims Protection Act, signed into law by G. W. Bush, defines trafficking, a 10 year federal felony, and extreme trafficking, a 20 year federal felony.
Just ordinary trafficking does not require that there be force, fraud, coercion, or juveniles. And it doesn't seem to require crossing borders or going any specific distance.
Is this right?
Once a Sunnyvale AMP girl asked if I would drive her to San Francisco. She was from the East Coast. I found her window shopping a Sunnyvale AMP and we sessioned. She could see that I liked her. So she asked if I would drive her to San Francisco where she was to start work the next morning.
So that Sunnyvale shop was part of a rotation circuit.
This girl seemed like she probably also was offering a nice civilian leaning night, like maybe dinner and overnight sex.
If I hadn't of been married, that is exactly what would have been suggesting myself.
But then if I dropped her off at her new place in San Francisco, would I have been a perpetrator of this lesser form of ordinary trafficking?
Some of this is also being driven by these T and U visas they are offering for those who rat out the traffickers. Most see it as a sex worker retirement program. They have to rat people out, then they can get the visa. No need to show fraud or coercion, only a minimum of "psychological distress".
One San Jose attorney who deals with all Vice cases, and especially Asian prostitution, talked about a Korean girl written about in a long serious of articles in the San Francisco Chronicle. "She's working the system. She's working that system ( Korean circuit which brings girls in via Mexico, then to Los Angeles, then to San Francisco ), and now she's working this system ( US immigration and law enforcement ).
I'm happy to give sex workers every break.
But I feel that most of this trafficking concern is bogus. What one book said was that the feminist movement lost its war against the evils of porn, mostly because the internet has made it universal. So now it is "trafficking".
So yes, if you legalize prostitution you will have more foreign born prostitutes coming to work.
Bring it on! I've been enjoying it for over 25 years already. So I'm more than ready!
And I say Amnesty International is right, decriminalization is the best way to protect sex workers from abuse.
The above mentioned girl in the San Francisco Chronicle did suffer some degrading situations and problematic people. But decriminalization, along with legal reforms back in Korea, would have been the best remedy.
Here, from this page, it then goes to 4 parts on sfgate about the Korean girl
http://www.humantrafficking.org/updates/…
I'll read the Mercury News article now.
SJG
Jon B.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qurhsou1…
I just can't fight the feeling, however, that there the right experiment hasn't been done. Imagine if you had a system where all the crazy stories that get told on here were perfectly legal, but there was also severe anti-human trafficking penalties and strip clubs had to have clear records. I can't believe that most club owners would risk jail and an investment in a club to get slightly cheaper labor.
I'm anti-drug but pro-legalization. I just believe the costs, both in terms of budgetary costs and costs to our freedom by promoting a militarized police, are higher than the damage drugs do. And believe me, I know the damage drugs can do because one of my best high school friends almost lost his life to them. I think legalization of some drugs, potentially with keeping other drugs illegal and mandating treatment or allowing addicts to enter maintenance programs rather than jail. Jail is expensive, and it costs all of our tax dollars.
I just seems to me that prostitution, legalized correctly, might have a similar effect. My suspicion is that it would be impossible to push trafficking to zero. The question is whether it would be possible to legalize prostitution and keep things neutral or even reduce it a bit. But the expanded demand effect always outweighs the substitution effect your right and I'm wrong. I'd just like to see more actual analysis to make sure that pattern holds before I believe it.
SJG
In common parlance the concept is extremely ill defined. And in current federal law it is just as ill defined.
So I say we have to distinguish between two conditions:
1. Situations where sex workers are coerced, forced, or misled, or are expected to work under bad conditions where their being in a strange place places them at a disadvantage, or they are somehow being threatened, or juveniles are involved.
AND
2. The migrations of sex workers freely and for their own benefit, where they have the ability to change shops or return home or otherwise get out of any bad conditions and where there has been no misrepresentation and there are no juveniles involved.
Unless we make these distinctions we should stop talking about trafficking.
And then also, when there are still problems in situation 2, I say that Amnesty International is correct that decriminalization is the best way to solve the problems and protect sex workers from abuse.
Decriminalization of sex work is also the best way to expose places where situation 1 is occurring.
SJG
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Miles Davis
Nature Boy, playlist
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I do not agree with the liberal philosophy that it's a proper role of government to 'protect us from ourselves'. I am in favor of the government protecting me against those who would harm me from within our boarders and outside them, but not within the walls of my house (or a club).
SJG
SJG
https://www.tuscl.net/postread.php?PID=4…
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE8tZafM…
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Still, champions of the crackdown list the Bay Area and Silicon Valley as among America’s highest risk areas for human trafficking, especially labor trafficking, which is three times more prevalent than sex trafficking worldwide.
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Cindy Chavez, center, has taken the lead on publicizing human trafficking at the county, which some critics suggest may be a form of political star building.
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On Dec. 1, county Supervisor Cindy Chavez led a press conference announcing the plastering of human trafficking awareness signs on all 350 VTA vehicles. The predominant poster depicts a young, light brown-skinned teen with an American flag bandana blindfolding him. Next to hotline numbers read the phrase: “Don’t Be Blind: If you see or suspect human trafficking, say something.”
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Yes, these posters are everywhere right now! Usually PSA posters going up means that we are in an economic down turn, so they can't otherwise sell the ad space.
http://www.sanjoseinside.com/2016/01/21/…
"Maggie McNeill writes a blog on the lives of sex workers that is critical of law enforcement's approach to human trafficking."
https://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2014…
“[Anti-trafficking organizations] are all profiting from the criminalization of prostitution,” she said. “If the police weren’t out arresting people for prostitution and trafficking them into their bogus services, their ass would be out of a job.”
SJG
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Los Bravos - Black Is Black (1966)
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San Francisco - Scott McKenzie
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The Moody Blues - Nights In White Satin
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