Need help deciding

You're kidding, right?

Definitely skip.the extras club.

Probably just go with the club you know. Although the stage money for club 4 may be tempting.

Only you can answer, as there are real sensitive issues in play.

We do have people in most areas, and so we probably have people who could give you their take on all 4 clubs.

How the money goes probably depends most on how you work it. But there are still going to be some built in limits.

And then in places where they aren't fair with you, or where you are expected to go beyond your comfort zone, it is not going to work.

Good Luck, SJG

If you're OK with HJ, then the extra club might not be so bad, but if you hate contact then option #2

Damn – what a depressing thread – hope dancing is not your only source of income b/c you seem to not be having good luck – if you can't find a comfortable safe club to work-in then you may need to find other ways to make $$$.

There have to be some decent clubs for you to try – have you read the reviews in your area.

If they're doing 'extras' in the back rooms, then you probably don't know what all they are doing.

SJG

And $250 tip-out sounds like wayyyyy too much.

I've never heard strippers talk and their jobs not be a source of continual emotional pressure.

Maybe if they have become accustomed to a straight up whore house, but other wise there are always pressures from multiple directions.

SJG

I would tell you to ask on StripperWeb.com w.r.t. good clubs for dancers in your area but IDK if they will want to give up that info – but you can try.

The ones at the underground table dancing shows in SJ's Mexican bars seemed happy. But there were no booths or backrooms, and they did very little talking, except to set up OTC's.

They just went from one guy to another, giving the guy as much as he wanted, within limits. Then when the money stopped they moved on.

Simple. Then they also tried to set up OTC's, some more aggressive than others.

I think booths and backrooms raise the tension levels as know one really knows that others are doing in there.

My .02

SJG

Also, the girls who were brought in from the outside to these table dancing shows did have a hard time. They were not comfortable with the amount of pawing, or with the OTC offers.

So I think a place where it is all out in the open, and within a dancer's comfort zone.

I suspect that at some of the extreme places where they just do FS in a common VIP Room, or in darkened corners of the main room, would be okay if a dancer was accustomed to it.

Likewise at our Sunnyvale no touching clubs the dancers seem about on par with women in most other places.

But I feel that the booths and backrooms and having to get a customer to agree to that, raises tensions on all sides.

SJG

Papillon when I said pay out its meaning to the money they owe me for doing lap dances say 20$ lap dance they get 10 I get 10. In the case I mentioned I didn't get my half of the money so I basically worked for free.

Another thing I forgot to mention the extras club has a house fee, which I personally don't like that at a club. But like I said my friend would make anywhere from 300-800 a night average and she never did extras but of course her regulars have followed her from there so I might not have that luck if I went.

Sadly all the clubs close to me are about the same as far as money goes except for the club I mentioned that the girls do extras at. The last club in my area I don't know too much about and only knew a couple girls to work there and they claimed they had to sell extras to make money there... so not too many options. And currently it's my only income. I only do it when I have to right now I need money for some of my medications I have to take for allergies and asthma.

Go to Hi Liter.

You need to stay within your comfort zone.

You want to be doing work you enjoy, and not be saying things like, " I only do it when I have to "

Because the truth is you always have other options.

Extreme mileage places do have high access fees. San Francisco dancers used to be quoted in the Spectator Magazine about this all the time. Lots of conflicts with the bosses.

SJG

I'd say try club #2, but with those bleak options I'd seriously consider moving to a new area if you wanted to continue dancing.

If I danced at Phoenix, I would try Bourbon Street and Christies. If you meant Hi-Liter by extras club, then being it a lap-dance factory, you could just stay dancing on the floor.

Yeh there are some clubs farther out from me that I would probably make more at if I had a way to get there but I don't so pickings are slim.

And right now SJG I really don't have much else of an option, the only others are considerably less desirable. I'll pm you later more detail as to why.

And yeh I'd say I'll probably go with #2

I'm in the middle of no where with a bunch of hicks most people where I live are not big spenders and the ones that are, are either from out of state or older gentlemen. If I lived anywhere else I'm sure I could make a lot more than I do here.

What do you have against extras? Old, fat guys need love too.

Why would a dancer even consider an extras club filled with drug addicts is she doesn't do extras or drugs?

I suggest she get a Magic 8 Ball (the toy, not the drug) and let it decide.

Sounds to me like the OP is practicing her pity hustle, this is why I am starting to get burned out from SCing its supposed to be fun but the girls have become depressing and whiny. What happened to the party girls I fell in love with had fun with both with and without extras and I always tipped them well. Sorry if you think I'm rude, but baby go out have some fun that's what your job is all about if I wanted to hear people bitch and moan I don't need to spend a cent.

^^^ No shit but not just to pile on and bag on the OP, but really grow up and make some decisions for yourself and suffer the consequences whether they are good or bad. There are extras friendly places because the market demands them and girls need the money. There are also thousands of other professions to choose from so go get a vanilla job if dancing is so difficult.

This "poor me" victimized mentality that the pussification of America has come to is also burning me out. In starting to not only stay away from strip clubs because of this, but also I'm starting to hate interacting with people who are like this, and you find this a lot with the talk on media(TV and radio).

I hate to break this to you, but older gentlemen are where the money is in every club. Even the stripper web girls would admit this point. I really don't think you're cut out to be a successful stripper.

Well, she only wants to make 100 bucks. A cute clean girl should be able to muster that.

Ok so first off I'm not the type to moan and complain about work at work. I take my clothes off gir a living have a few drinks make some good conversation and have a good time. Because my job is to basically be a sexy party girl so that's what I do.

Secondly I target the older men 40 and up most of the time. I dono spend too much time with the 30s group cause those guys tend to be the dicks and the 18-20s are hit or miss I usually get all there cash on stage and they don't have enough to get a dance or they can only get a few.

Thirdly Im considering the drug filled extras club because I knew someone who didn't do extras and made good money there. If they could I have the same potential too. It's all about the money honey so I'd be willing to over look these said things. Plus someone not looking for a complete drugged out stripper would probably be more flocked to me cause I wouldn't be all drugged up

Finally my thing against extras is for one I have a bf. And two even before I started stripping I simply wasn't the type of girl to sleep around or do a lot if sexual stuff with guys. Kissing and making out was as far as it went unless I really liked you and wanted something lasting not just a one night stand. Also stds, I rather not risk it.

At our Sunnyvale no touching clubs, sometimes the girls make lots of money. But sometimes it gets as low as $150 per shift, or even sometimes $100. This later number is usually taken as the cue to retire.

When strip club dancers talk about how much they make, they are often exaggerating, extrapolating from their best day or their best hour.

But also remember that most of them never report their income. And then some also do OTC.

At some of the most extreme of dives, like this one George's Rockin' Robin in San Jose, the money was so slow that you could see that the girls only worked there to set up lots of OTC gigs. The lower the money, the more of this they must be doing.

Our dancer from Portland said that in that metro's lowest of dives, below the one she works at, "the dancers are street hookers."

SJG sites.google.com

Tracking SJPD tuscl.net

Orientalia Sex In Asia by Reagan Louie, photographer and SF State professor powells.com Most interesting! Shows the girl in the bathtub, and also a girl wearing high heels and a mini-dress and sitting on a stool in a building which is a glass display box on three sides, and lots more. Sex in Asia means sex for money, not sex with women who want you to marry them or who are being supported by their parents as they attend college.

about Elon Musk and investing in yourself: tuscl.net

Viagra restrictions: tuscl.net

Shadowcat's thread which I missed: tuscl.net

Marriage and Family, a thread which never got the consideration I had hoped for: tuscl.net

and then of course it was Comrade Engels who showed us that marriage and prostitution arose together, being two sides of the same coin: en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Extending ColdnShallow's thread: tuscl.net

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