Problem adding clubs

19 comments

• shadowcat

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  10 years ago

  It takes Founder a long time to get around to setting up a page for new clubs. Especially international ones. Allow 2-3 weeks.
• gatorfan

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  10 years ago

  Do they Bang-cock?
• Papi_Chulo

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  10 years ago

  Yeah – for w/e reason; it takes a while to add clubs – but our fellow PLs appreciate your efforts and contributions and hope you can add your 2 cents. You can send a PM to Founder and maybe he’ll speed it up a bit if he can (although he may be a bit busier now during the holidays) – below is Founder’s TUSCL profile: [view link]
• Hubo_Hubad

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  10 years ago

  There's no problem with a bit of a delay, I was just worried that I had missed something. I will be able to remember the experiences well enough to post an accurate report after a couple of weeks. I have added UK clubs previously and I didn't remember it taking so long. Considering how good the scene is out here, it's a bit of a surprise that there's so little data. I was hoping to do my little bit to rectify that.
• san_jose_guy

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  10 years ago

  My own impression, as just an observer, is that TUSCL is quite complete in it's listing of USA clubs, but not for those in other countries. True? Also, as I know, in most other countries strip clubs are overtly brothels. And so in a place like Mexico, in the small towns you might find a bar with one session room and one girl providing service. You will find this in a town not large enough to support a strip club. So should these places be listed on TUSCL? I would say yes, they should be. But in still other countries you will find other types of things which are brothels, but still don't exactly fit the definition of a strip club. Should they be listed? I would say yes. But I don't think most of them are. SJG
• Papi_Chulo

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  10 years ago

  You may want to write your reviews now while the info is still fresh in your mind and just save them on your computer/USB `till you get a chance to post them
• san_jose_guy

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  10 years ago

  Good Idea. How about some folks letting their girls post some of their views too? SJG
• Hubo_Hubad

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  10 years ago

  Papi_Chulo, good idea. San_jose_guy, the UK coverage is pretty good and it is also fairly good for many other European countries. Outside, North America and Europe, the coverage is patchy or non-existent. Part of the reason, as some of you point out, is that many other countries don't have anything quite like US strip clubs. I don't make the rules of course but my opinion is that it is useful to include a wider range of clubs. I try to think: would someone who likes US clubs like this place? If yes then it deserves to be included. For example, here in the Philippines, it is very hard to find a good stage show and, even if you do, it might be surprisingly expensive. If you just want to look and not touch then stay home. But if you want extras, then this is a great place. If you want the girlfriend experience then I don't think anywhere can beat it. Many guys do try to upgrade from GFE to actual GF. This can be tricky but does sometimes work out. Maybe I should write my first article since I am getting a bit carried away in this question.
• Papi_Chulo

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  10 years ago

  Def write an article since it seems you have a bit of a different perspective. But Founder does not publish articles `till about a month or so after submittal (sometimes sooner; sometimes later).
• IanSmith

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  10 years ago

  @Hubo_Hubad. Mabuhay. I know that the disclaimer here is “Everything written on this site should be considered a work of fiction” but you really shouldn’t joke around like this. Hordes of desperate blokes might take you seriously, hop the first available flight and inflate the economy. The truth is that everyone knows there are no whores in the Philippines. Just ugly, frigid women and a horrid climate. And ever since they’ve outlawed alcohol you can’t even get pissed. So it is best not to give false hope to the hopeless IMO. Where are you Angeles, Olongapo, Manila, Cebu or somewhere else? Have you taken up residency or are you passing through on business or holiday?
• Hubo_Hubad

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  10 years ago

  Pikey, Good point. All, I was drunk and dreaming when I posted my previous comments. All the women here look like your grandma. It's not worth coming here. I am currently in Manila but hope to head out to Angeles for a few days. I used to live here some years ago but just on vacation at the moment.
• PhantomGeek

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  10 years ago

  Well, crap -- now you tell us. Anyone want to buy a ticket to the Philippines? Never been used! (joking!...maybe...)
• san_jose_guy

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  10 years ago

  I had a friend who loved the sex biz in the Philippines. As I have heard, upgrading from GFE to GF is almost automatic in the Philippines. True? As far as the quality of GFE which you get in these various sorts of P4P venues, I have been pushing this issue extensively on this board. Most of my P4P experience is in AMPs. GFE is not usually part of the offering. The security of the privacy might not be enough, along with fear of LE. Fear of LE is much higher here in Santa Clara County than it is in San Francisco. In San Francisco there is more good GFE too. I think it is because in San Francisco they are just more brazen about the whole thing, and so much more of the sessions are FS. Here in Santa Clara County they push HJ Happy Endings. But they don't usually openly promote FS. But almost always they are more than willing to do it. They are tickled when they find out that this is what I want. I don't use verbal discussion to steer it this way either. I treat all women like civilians, and in all situations. I treat the girl like she is someone I just met, at say a party. So as they are doing less FS, and as they are less brazen about the fact that they are offering FS, they are less in competition with other shops over FS, and so likewise they feel less of a need to be competitive by offering good GFE. So often they will draw a line. But just as often they will end up not really enforcing their own line. To get the GFE level higher, one way is just by coaching the women and by setting up a more competitive market. When the San Francisco RedBook was running, we had this. This was mostly AAMPs ( Apartment Asian Massage Parlors ). You could not even get the address without booking and going to the area, and then making the second call. LE never got in by the ads and by booking a session. But this puts lots of pressure on the girls, because there has been no prior face to face meeting, and about 1/2 of them are at the very threshold of mandatory retirement age. But to compensate for this, the girls were well coached that they should start DFKing immediately upon getting the guy inside and getting the front door closed. There were a couple of well loved GILF's who were legendary for not even giving guys a chance to resist. Non-stop GFE is what some called it. Some said of one Candy that she was almost too GFE. But as time when on all of them were coached that this was the best way to do it. Where as some were just trying to get a few more years of career extension by coming to the US, this was not universal. Not all of them were even over 30 either. They said that they were things like school teachers in say, Taiwan. They came here just to build up a nice nest egg to be used for buying a house. They did this here, instead of in their own country, as they wanted it to remain private. I believe that in some cases this was not too far from the truth. Okay, but without this, the other way to try and increase the GFE level is to find ways to manipulate the selections process yourself. One learns how to charm and court the girls. One can also find ways to soften her up before committing by handing her the money. In AMPs one can manipulate the selection process some by using window shopping and trying to talk to the girl some. They don't really like window shoppers, but they have to tolerate some of it. If the girl sees you as coming back specifically for her, then she will relate to you differently during the session than she will someone who just comes there because he has a hard on and wants an HJ. If she feels that she knows you at least some, and that maybe this is something like a first date, then it is much easier for her to open up to you. And if you are clearly trying to manipulate the selection process, and if preliminary fraternizing is clearly important to you, then of course the girl will presume that you want FS, and this alone gets her giddy with anticipation. But in AMPs the preliminary conversation will still be constrained. They don't let people hang out. You either have to commit and pay, or leave. These are not hang out places. This is probably one of the reasons why they never need to have bouncers. From their POV, someone who is unwilling to give up the $40 or $60 basic house fee is probably not worth worrying about. But in SC's, it is a totally different situation. These are hangout places. So you should be able to engage in unstructured and noncommittal fraternizing with several girls before committing to the back room. And any money you are handing her, she should not have to cut with the house. Mostly all the booths and VIP Rooms do are let the house take a deeper cut, and add an arbitrary structure to the interaction which serves only to lower the overall mileage and quality. But the best is of course then if you can get your girl DFKing with you in the front room, before committing to the back room. In the most extreme FS oriented strip clubs in the country, the girls themselves will push it this way, often giving you very little choice except to go along with them. And here on TUSCL, the absolute master of front room makeout sessions is Jestrite50. We all should be learning from him, instead of asking dancers if they "do extras", or letting them "sell dances" to us verbally. In San Francisco it should be possible to do it this way in the strip clubs, but far too many of them have been made into clip joints, places that sell an open ended expensive fantasy, more than actual delivery. Arbitrary rules preventing front room touching, and forcing you to commit to a number of songs and pay, let the girl be the one who drives it. In my opinion the entire 'extras' paradigm does this. It limits what can happen, and it radically increases the costs and kills any potential for GFE. Anyway, to further explore these issues I have started a thread, using as my example of something pretty close to the best possible, the TJ Hong Kong Bar. [view link] SJG War, World is a Ghetto [view link]
• slaux.pas

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  10 years ago

  Wow your really smart San Jose Guy why cant more people be like you
• Hubo_Hubad

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  10 years ago

  I guessed many of those abbreviations but not all: P4P, LE The upgrade from GFE is optional. I am quite upfront about being married and hence just there for a bit of fun. This des not dampen things at all but prevents unrealistic expectations from the girl. The first step to enhancing the GFE or just improving your bang for buck ratio (more literally than usual) is to ask for her phone number and when her day off is (usually just one a week). The next step, which I only know second hand, is to strike a deal that she stays with you for a longer period. E.g. Escorts you on a tour. I have seen many guys doing this and it looks like good fun. She is also likely to be really useful as a tour guide. English is commonly spoken here but nonetheless communication problems are still common. A girl from a bar aimed at foreigners will probably speak much better English than average. I guess that at some point in this period is when you start to discuss even longer arrangements. I know many couples that started this way. Some openly admit it, others don't but it is obvious nonetheless. Beware, although many of these upgraded GFEs end happily, it is not guaranteed. If she starts trying to beg or borrow large sums then get suspicious. You might be one of many guys that she is milking. I have not met anyone who experienced this but the stories are common. You could try much the same thing in Thailand and the pros and cons are complex. It will be cheaper and easier in Thailand. If you just want sex with pretty girls then that is the place to go. The Philippines wins on GFE since they speak much better English and understand and appreciate western culture better. You will hit culture clashes but much fewer in the Philippines than Thailand.
• san_jose_guy

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  10 years ago

  LE = Law Enforcement P4P = Pay for Play, as with P4P sex. Even the mainstream media has noted how naturally the GFE to GF conversion flows in the Philippines. Now as far as making a long term relationship work, especially across racial and cultural differences, this is a very different story. Hubo_Hubad, I like your posts. Please do continue. Today or tomorrow I'll be making a couple of San Jose AMP visits. SJG
• Hubo_Hubad

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  10 years ago

  Che, Yeah, she will probably only know her home province and around where you met her. I didn't mean that she would be a good traditional guide and tell you about the history of the country. If that's what you want then look for a professional guide. Nonetheless, she can still be very useful. Despite, the generally high level of English, misunderstandings between visitors and locals are common. In fact, the high level of English can sometimes can cause problems since you think that you have understood each other but you haven't really. This will even apply if you are in an area where she does not know the local language (there is far more than just one local language here), she should still cope with the local language better than you. She can also help with purchases. You can play the old hitchhiker trick. The local girl negotiates while the foreigner pretends not to know her. Once the deal is made, you can pop up. You still probably won't get the true local price but you should still beat the unaccompanied foreigner price. I still use this trick with my wife after decades. I don't look local and I am never going to get anywhere near the local price by myself. Of course, this all depends on you being able to trust her. She might collude with the locals to rip you off. Stories of this are common but I have not experienced it or met anyone who has. You will need to judge yourself what level of trust is possible. A basic one is to offer a nice tip at the end of the trip so that it is not worth her while to cheat you along the way. San_jose_guy, Thanks. Indeed, there will still be challenges in a long term relationship but some work. In fact, there is probably a lower marriage failure rate among our British/ Filipino and British / Thai friends than our British / British friends. Filipinos are more familiar with western culture than most Asians. As I said, westerner / Thai relationships can also work but they have some additional challenges. Dishonesty can be a problem both ways. The girl may see you just as a route to a western passport and dump you when she has it. I have seen that but not a lot. The other way, many western guys can act rich while on vacation here and give the girl an unrealistic idea of the likely lifestyle you can offer her. I suggest trying to avoid this. It may mean that you lose an apparently nice girl but better to lose her early and try again than to bring her home and find that she is unhappy that she is not living in Beverly Hills in a mansion.
• Hubo_Hubad

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  10 years ago

  Che, I have explored the country quite a bit but mostly what is within a day's drive of Manila. For example, I just spent a few days in Angeles. I have made a few longer trips. A few years ago, I went to Cagayan De Oro; that was fun even though it included getting lost on a motorcycle in the jungle overnight. Even longer ago, I went to Cebu. There are many places that I have yet to see e.g. Boracay. "Long haired dictionaries", I have not heard it before but I like it.
• mjx01

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  10 years ago

  PM founder if you don't see results after 2-3 weeks.