I'm not sure if those who are talking about COI and LA clubs offering high mileage are really talking about the same kind of high mileage one would get in TJ. Likewise, pensionking has reviewed clubs in Illinois and Indiana. I know there are some notorious venues there which are straight up FS.
I think there is a need for greater specificity, especially when it comes to the COI and LA clubs, and California in general where extreme mileage seems to be the exception and not the rule.
Some have said Rio is very high mileage, but I don't know. Some say Starz and KHVIII are high mileage. Some say that Club Fantasy in Sacramento is very high mileage. I think there is a problem with lack of precision in terminology.
I have not been to these places myself, not yet. But I should now admit that I have a more than casual familiarity with the now defunct San Francisco Red Book and the Asian Massage Parlor community.
Red Book GFE meant DFK + DATY + BBBJ + MSOG ( meaning covered full service with 2nd pop ).
Most of the Asian girls did not do Cum In Mouth, Facials, or Swallow. That was special, beyond RB-GFE. Likewise they did not do Anal. BBFS was considered irresponsible and something which should not even be discussed.
I am an especial fan of MSOG. It is nice because there is some in between time which is real nice for getting to know each other. And then with the second pop, the girl does more to make it happen. She really has to want it and has to offer herself fully to make it happen.
I can't see doing this on the floor of some SC's VIP room in 30min. But at an SC / Brothel like the Hong Kong with hotel rooms, it would be an awesome experience!
We need though to be mindful of TMojo's excellent article and check in to a room. Otherwise you just get 30min. You also have to negotiate the extra time and 2nd pop with the girl up front. Sure it is more time and work for her. But I have found that if you are already DFKing with a girl and getting her softened up, then she will be flattered that you want to do MSOG with her and she will definitely be eager to do it.
Of course I know that with age things change. But what it is is that things get slower and more purposeful. All the more reason for an FS oriented venue, rather than short times in VIP rooms.
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Maybe people don't want to get their favorite clubs in trouble? Or maybe there is just such a mileage disparity and the lack of a detailed terminology. I am a strong supporter of the RB-GFE terminology and as that being a basic standard for full service.
But this was with Asian immigrants. American civilian sex is different, influenced by porno movies. So the standard should be higher, like including Cum In Mouth, Facials, and Swallowing.
I am a big fan of DFK, DATY, and MSOG. This generally means more time, and more of a bedroom type environment than the "Jack Shack" booths you find some places.
But I know that some guys don't really want this and are instead more into HJ and BJ.
Again, more reason to get a more precise terminology instead of just "high mileage".
Can TUSCL be changed so that the discussions bump to the top of the list when someone comments?
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