The writer addresses the story about the lesbian who was denied entry to a strip club without a male escort, and asks "how have we got to a situation where some of us are trying to enter such bastions of male privilege rather than campaign against the sexual exploitation of women?"
I wonder how lopaw would answer this question.
I'm in favor of hot lesbians behaving badly. Especially if I can watch.
Uggos and fat lesbians...do what you want, but do it behind closed doors.
zip,
10-1 that the majority of lesbians are NOT the hotties seen in porn videos. The few confirmed I know in real life certainly would not be considered hot.
"I'm in favor of hot lesbians behaving badly. Especially if I can watch"
One night I was in the club when a female couple walked. in. The first girl was a Latina that looked like Michele Rodriquez from Fast & Furious. She was wearing jeans, a white wifebeater undershirt and had a tatoo on her upper arm. The other was a fair skinned, blue eyed blonde who was dressed in a gauzy white dress and had long, curly hair like Taylor Swift used to have back in her county days.
The club was almost empty, but for some reason they choose to sit in the table in front of mine, directly in my line of sight to the stage. At first I was trying to peak around them to see the stage, but then I noticed blondie and the latina cuddling up to each other. Next thing they started necking and making out right in front of me, which was a lot more interesting than anything happening on stage. After several minutes of these, the latina turned around and asked if I was enjoying the show, lol!
My thoughts?
SC's can be venues of oppression or empowerment for women....but which way that goes is up to each stripper and how she handles it.
That author is a tool.Perhaps she ought to visit a SC to see for herself how they operate and see who is really running the show.
If they let her in, that is ;)
"When I was a young lesbian feminist campaigning to overthrow patriarchy, what irked me most was the fact that some men would impose their own idiotic view of my sexuality on me, by asking if I would perform threesomes with them, or titillate them with a porny kissing display with my girlfriend."
Her first paragraph quickly defines her perspective; the rest just flows from her view of being oppressed and misunderstood by the patriarchy, i.e., I'm angry and have one target to blame for everything so I'm upset that a 'fellow lesbian' could seemingly act counter to my stereotypes.
The article was published in the Guardian and for those of you who don't know the Guardian's readership is so left wing that Obama is considered a right wing, corpratist stooge by their readers. Having been a poster there for many years I will never understand why anyone takes anything published in that rag seriously. Its interesting though that she claims the dancers hate us all. While they probably do my favorite smoked some good bud with me last time, provided by her, so I wish all women hated me like she does.
Lopaw for President!
Vote for Lopaw and get free Cole Slaw!
Perhaps the most idiotic quote from the article:
"I have no doubt that Yatkin was denied entry because of her gender and sexuality, and, in both law and principle, that makes it discrimination."
She has no knowledge, whatsoever, regarding the facts of the case, the policies under question, what transpired, etc.
But like many women, she just "knows". She's expecting discrimination at every turn, therefore she sees it at every turn.
BTW, she was on the mark, IMO, in one aspect. She recognized that strip clubs are for guys, and designed for guys.
Now personally, if women want a place they can hang out without guys hanging around, I can respect that. Not discrimination against males, just freedom to associate with whoever they want to associate with. I would respect that, and not attempt to make a federal case to force them to let me join.
This nonsense, IMO, of girls' parents feeling discriminated against because the Boy Scouts won't allow girls is fucking insane. If men want to have a men's organization, then let them, and don't try to fuck it up.
If there's really a market for a lesbian strip club, then make one. Don't try to force yourself in places you're not wanted.
Wow jerkoffson is STILL butthurt that even lesbians get more pussy then he does!!
"Don't try to force yourself in places you're not wanted."
Then why don't YOU get the fuck out of HERE, wanker? You and your constant little girl whiney bitching certainly isn't wanted here by anybody.
Lol jerikson you are the biggest fucking hypocrit that I have had the misfortune of seeing posting here. Here you light up the author of that stupid piece as not having any facts about what happened and accusing her of assuming things, but yet you do EXACTLY the same thing. What the fuck would you know about what happened? You automatically make assumptions yourself without having an iota of info about it. Unless you are somehow privy to details that the rest of the world doesn't know about then you have no basis speculating and making broad judgements based on your own narrowminded little throwback view of things. You bitch and piss and moan about EVERYTHING, especially shit that threatens your angry old man little world.Talk about "get over it already"
Believe me - women like me would love nothing more than to have a throng of lesbian based stripclubs that we could visit but there isnt a demand big enough for it. So we are stuck having to share what is available with narrow-minded bitter angry old fucks like you. And as far as being welcome I'll bet that if you asked any dancer if they had to choose between spending time with someone like me or someone like you, I'd win hands down. You are a life force drainer - you are someone that if allowed to would suck out all of the fun and life out of other people regardless of the venue.Rather than posting here on TUSCL you could better spend your time trying to invent a time machine so that you can transport yourself back in time to an era better suited to your mentality - perhaps something in the early 1900's might suit you best......you know- when white men still had all the power and women and people of color "knew their place" At least then you'd be gone and we wouldn't waste anymore time on you. Speaking of which its time to put your sorry ass on ignore. I've wasted too much time and words on you already. Reply away, as I'm positive that you will to secure the last word. Knock yourself out. I dont give a fuck about your opinion on anything, much less on a topic like this one.
^Post of the fucking year.
Woo hoo! Awesome reply lopaw
Wanna hear another joke?.... Jerickson's opinion!
Lopaw FTW
Anyone here is welcome to present a rational discussion to refute whatever I say. The problem is that nobody can. All they can do is call me names. Including Lopaw.
Notice she didn't provide a SINGLE bit of information to refute what I said. I just said some things that people here don't like, and they go all 3rd grade on me.
No matter what you think of me, NOBODY can argue that I don't provide a well thought out, rational basis for what I present. I include facts, and reasoned opinion.
Until you morons can match that with intelligent discussion, you continue to prove yourselves to be nothing more than 6 year olds. No offense intended to 6 year olds.
BTW, my only point about this particular case was that we shouldn't jump to conclusions and ASSUME discrimination. I clearly stated that people here are jumping to conclusions, and shouldn't. I never claimed to know the answer, I just posted some rational reasoning behind my opinion.
The problem is, it wasn't favorable to Lopaw, so she takes it personally and starts the mud slinging.
It would be nice if she could enlighten us about the case, but apparently she has nothing to offer. Except name calling.
Wow lopaw, what a rather understated and nuanced reply to the grinch.
lol joker44 I am the queen of subtlety :)
Lmao now whatever jerkoffson replies all it really says is "wahhhhhhhhh......change my cranky old man diaper!!!!"
I temporarily forgot what the subject was on this thread.
The author in the link doesn't have much knowledge of strip clubs in general. Many dancers do care about their customers or at least a few of them do or they wouldn't try to stay in contact or keep trying to meet up away from the clubs. Most dancers do not do this but a few do.
As far as strip clubs having problems with unescorted females, that must be a problem unique to wherever the club is located. I see a lot of females in clubs without male escorts and 99.9% of the time, nothing fun ever happens. At least one club in my area offers free admission to females on one night of the week.
I feel confident a certain number of dancers may be lesbian or bi. One or a few more are not likely to be that noticeable. One of my favorites in the past was bi. I think many guys assumed she was lesbian and missed out on a fun girl. Assumptions can be silly.
How do you know what the author does or doesn't know? You have no knowledge whatsoever what information she is or isn't privy to. But like many assholes you just wanted to take a jab at women.
Seriously though, a woman was denied entry into a strip club because she didn't have a man with her? That's discrimination any way you cut it. Nobody is jumping to wild conclusions here.
Strip Clubs in general might be geared towards men, but that doesn't mean they are just for men.
If men, women, transgender, assholes like you etc. want their own private place to hang out then make it a membership only establishment where no one outside that group is allowed to join.
Nothing you said was well thought out. What facts? None of that was rational or reasoned. In the same sentence you question our behavior you call us 6 year olds and morons?? Hypocrisy much.
jerkoffson: "No matter what you think of me, NOBODY can argue that I don't provide a well thought out, rational basis for what I present."
I don't know about that. I'd say you bat about 25-33%.
@jester- jerkoffson is a chode. Period. What's especially entertaining is the outraged disbelief that he displays when everybody disagrees with his ridiculous ramblings. He just can't believe that nobody else sees things his way. Its fucking hilarious! And like you said he complains about us yet still continues to post here. How sad is that.
Major old man chode. In a diaper.
oh look...everyone is being sooooo punk rock and gloating over some grizzled old lesbian’s RIGHT to enter a gentleman’s club. can i be in the cool kids club too?? what part of “Gentleman’s Club†doesn’t she understand? you're all so fucking trendy. makes me want to fucking puke up smelly socks wrapped in a used tampax.
bunch of fucking twats.
just kidding....or am i? you’ll NEVER know for sure you VILE attack DoGs but i’ll bet the homophobe sclvr5005 is foaming at the mouth right about now. ROTFLMFAO
Lmao oh look I see DrPhags little blue tag there......I wonder what pathetic stupidity THAT senile old crapbag vomited up here? Oh yeah- NOBODY CARES!!! Go take a hike DrPhag..... isnt your little bitch cfffag waiting for you somewhere? Go spoon with your little bitch you dickwad.
Who is doing the name calling and false accusations?
@sclvr- c'mon you know better than to take any bait from trolls. Do what the rest of us do and keep passing right on by the blue garble.
DON'T FEED THE TROLLS.
"But like many assholes you just wanted to take a jab at women."
No, I wanted to present that there are two sides to every story. There are also rational business reasons, LEGAL business reasons, for not admitting certain people, which have NOTHING to do with illegal discrimination. In the other thread I merely mentioned some of those reasons.
People tend to take a very shallow view of issues and decide based upon limited or no information. That's why we have court cases where all the facts are presented. Since that case hasn't occurred yet (apparently, since this fiasco was only announced recently), it's safe to assume that NOBODY, including the participants, knows the full story. Does Ms. Lopaw know the written policies and procedures of the Paradise strip club? Probably not, although I'm sure that's being gathered right now.
Anyway, if people have facts, it would be nice to hear them. But the author of the article presents NONE, only her opinion, and Ms. Lopaw presents NONE, only her opinion and name calling.
I fully understand if there are "I like her, I hate the grinch" games being played here, that's to be expected of this forum. But at least lets use some rational though, huh?
You're right, lopaw. Point taken :)
Nice try.
"But like many women, she just "knows""
That was a jab at women. And again, you have no clue what she does or doesn't know, what kind of research she did. Again, these aren't wild accusations. They are reasonable conclusions based on the given information.
Of course it was her opinion, it's clearly an opinion piece. Not a story about the incident in question, but again you couldn't miss an opportunity to take a shot at women and lesbians.
Sure there are legitimate reasons to turn people away, wearing gang insignia for example. Thinking that having black people around will hurt business isn't legal. Given that's it California I'll bet that translates to different genders and sexual orientations too.
Again, you're thought wasn't rational. It was a cheap shot that you've got called on and are now trying to duck.
@jester-
In case your curious about California civil rights laws, check out this link:
One of my brothers is a civil rights lawyer in Cali. He's obviously very knowledgeable about this kind of issue, especially the Unruh Civil Rights Act. Just looking at that brochure should give you a good idea just how big of a deal this type of thing can be and how seriously they take it. Cali has by far the most ferocious civil rights laws in the nation.
Jester sez: "But like many women, she just "knows"" That was a jab at women."
Yes, of course it was. Is that illegal to take a jab at people? I don't think so.
And for some verification that my jab at women hits the mark to some extent, just look at the vicious response from Lopaw. An entire discussion about what type of person she is certain that I am. Never met me, has absolutely no clue whatsoever anything about me, other than a few posts I've made.
But she is absolutely certain she is reading me correctly. She isn't, but that doesn't really matter. She's convinced I'm, among other things, "narrow-minded bitter angry old fuck", "a life force drainer", and "I'll bet that if you asked any dancer if they had to choose between spending time with someone like me or someone like you, I'd win hands down", and " something in the early 1900's might suit you best......you know- when white men still had all the power and women and people of color "knew their place"...and on and on...
Never met me, but she has developed this deep seated HATRED for me solely because I say stuff she doesn't agree with.
Now, anyone who has been around women for a long time will objectively agree that they TEND to be driven more by emotion and intuition than purely logic and rationality in their decisions, and especially their "take" on others. Not a knock, but there is a grain of truth in it.
Now, back to the issue. There ARE legitimate, LEGAL reasons to discriminate against customers.
For example, based on age (you must be over 21 to enter some clubs), dress (you must dress nice to enter some clubs), gender (you must be an accompanied female to enter some clubs), social status (you must be able to afford a cover to enter some clubs), mental ability (you won't be admitted to some clubs if you're too drunk), and so on.
My only point is that there are MANY ways to legally discriminate against customers and turn them away, so to assume that the club chose an ILLEGAL reason to discriminate, without knowing all the facts, is premature.
@jerkoffson: so IRL your something something other than a cranky, old perpetual whiner? Why no evidence of it here?
Lol watch jerkoffson backpeddle. Yet all we continue to hear is "wahhhhhh....change my Depends!"
BTW you moron - "you must be an accompanied female to enter some clubs" - is ILLEGAL. You are obviously not a lawyer nor do you know squat about what you are trying so hard to appear educated about, but that doesn't stop you from puking up your stupid ignorant opinion here, now does it? STFU & GTFO.
j40, lopaw, etal; In my pre-tuscl days, I recall watching an HBO real sex episode on a lesbian stripclub in the L.A. area. Well, not exactly lesbian, but a club that catered to "upscale professional women who appreciate beautiful women". I don't recall the name of the club, I think it may have been in Beverly Hills. Idk if it would still be in business, as I suspect that it was "underground" of sorts. Haven't seen any clues on Tuscl, zbone, or EDN publications dating back to 1992.
Anyway, the male camera crew was allowed in, after getting a "briefing" from doorperson ("This club DOES cater to female customers"), and asking crew if they were OK with this. So, there was a male gender "screening" of sorts whereby doorperson would let males (singularly, or group in) if dude(s) could convince doorperson that they clearly understood club concept, and wouldn't act like jerks.
I feel strip clubs aren't exploitation of women as long as the women choose to be there. Most of the strippers I know dance because it is easy money and they like the attention. My gf stopped dancing for a while and she missed it. Getting dressed up, being desired. Of course there are cons, but I'd imagine if they keep going back to work then they have found some incentive worth going for. I've been denied access into a club before because I usually go alone. Twice actually, but in one of the instances I was vouched for by a dancer so they let me in. I understand the precautions on why they might, I just wish they would give me a chance to come in and prove I'm a great customer to have.
"I feel strip clubs aren't exploitation of women as long as the women choose to be there."
Of course they aren't. You're absolutely right. But people have agendas, and they will grab onto anything that will further their beliefs and agendas.
We all have the ability, every single day that we open our eyes in the morning, to decide what we want to do that day. And that goes for every stripper and hooker on the planet. They can choose to do well in our free public education system and get a regular job or go to college on student loans and become professionals, but they don't. They choose to work at a strip club.
But some people, mostly women, hate the idea of pretty women taking the attention of men. That includes wives and girlfriends who hate that their men are spending time with prettier women, and lesbian women who wish those pretty women would pay attention to THEM, not some nasty old men.
So they come up with any way they can to discredit what they are doing.
@curiositycat-
Did you notice that jerkoffson had to add lesbians in his retarded opinion? You have to understand that jerkoffson is very bitter towards lesbians like yourself. He's angry that women like you get all of the attention in strip clubs which leaves a bitter old dinosaur like him with nothing. So he comes here to try and lash out at people like you and women in general. And then he wonders why we all laugh at him and call him a loser. So just ignore him like everyone else here does.
(I) OK, we know the usual reason clubs will bar unescorted females is because of worry about (1)outside Working Girls trolling the patrons, and (2)wives/SOs/neighborhood gossips showing up to confront or gather incriminating evidence against customers and dancers.
Both those concerns can be addressed through intelligent bounce policy and effective, competent, alert bounce staff. Be able to identify people who are up to trouble and get rid of them before it escalates.
(II) Fredom of Association, like all other social rights, is not absolute. Heck, Augusta National has female members now, and that's a private club. Lawsuits like this must delve into the point of whether there's a good reason for the discrimination. Because, there is such a thing as a reasonable discrimination (e.g. you do not issue driving licenses to the blind) but if your basis for it is sex, race or religion your reason had better be a good one.
(III) I could see buying Iopaw a couple of lap dances from the babe of her choice if we ever coincide (but sorry, dear, you're on your own for dancer drinks) just as a thank you for her postings here and elsewhere.
At one point in the past various gentlemen, myself included, would have offered to be her "sponsor" at the door to get her in, but you know what? She should not need one, *&^% that. To paraphrase Fry, shut up and take her money.
"I could see buying Iopaw a couple of lap dances from the babe of her choice if we ever coincide (but sorry, dear, you're on your own for dancer drinks) just as a thank you for her postings here and elsewhere."
Be my guest. Personally, I think her tirade against me reveals that she is really as narrow minded, prejudicial and discriminatory as she accuses others of being. Not knowing a thing about me she launches this ridiculous tirade, pre-judging my character and everything about me. That my friends is prejudice. Apparently when it's against a white guy, it's fair. Especially an older white guy. Racial and gender prejudice and discrimination against an older white guy is fine, but just don't try it against a woman or a gay or a person of color. That's when the tables are turned and suddenly it's a crime against humanity.
She clearly is exhibiting a deep seated hatred for an entire class of people, ie., older white guys. Clearly she blames "us" for all the worlds evil attitudes and problems.
Sorry but I don't like prejudice and discrimination against ANYONE, and I have no interest in associating with someone who does.
@Cheo-
Please allow me to translate what jerkoffson said:
"Wahhhhhhhhh!!! Someone please change my diaper!!!!"
@Cheo_D - Thanks! You definitely "get it". And yes.... the dancer drinks will be on me (not literally) :)
wow. 46 comments and 11 of them are from you sclvr5005. you sure like to post a lot.
btw just ignore everyone who keeps telling you that if you couldn’t make it in LA then you can’t make it anywhere. i’m sure that henderson is a fine place for someone with your – ahem - your retard strength to get a new start.
and you know i’ve been meaning to tell you little buddy that it isn’t your spidey jammies that make you so retard strong. you are naturally retard strong. so start believing in yourself instead of the magic spidey jammies.
Here's the link:
theguardian.com