tuscl

OT: Surveillance Fatigue

Lone_Wolf
Arizona
Monday, June 9, 2014 2:20 PM
Going deep on TUSCL... As it relates to the recent violence in Vegas - There is a certain element (people) in every society that cannot function within the norms/laws defined by a culture. In the past, these people could be complete fuck ups living on the fringes a society because there was no way to track or catch them as they live as parasites on the back of others. Examples would be having multiple illegitimate children, theft, vandalism, running out on money owed. The list goes on. The days of being a complete fuck up with impunity are pretty much long over though. Now, we are under surveillance almost every where we go. Huge data bases track where we live or work. Even our phones report our movements. Point is, it is hard as hell to commit random crime without being captured on video by someone. Wages get garnished for kids and back taxes. Debt collectors know our every move. I can see how the fuck ups are going to feel more and more suppressed until they just snap and go ballistic like what we saw in Vegas and many other places. Where will all this surveillance/tracking lead? The more they fuck up, the surveillance and tracking we'll get.

22 comments

  • tumblingdice
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    10 years ago
    Psst,I'm ready for them.
  • Dougster
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    10 years ago
    Oh-oh! Sounds like bad news for some board members!
  • Tyres
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    10 years ago
    Yet, these two asshole terrorist cop killers weren't so "fatigued" that they couldn't post their views all over facebook or give video interviews to NBC from Cliven Bundy's ranch.
  • shailynn
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    10 years ago
    Where it will lead is you're not going to be able to discreet about anything even if you're not breaking a major law. Just look at all the unique ways spouses have gotten busted for infidelity, of course credit cars receipts are old news, but getting busted by companies mailing advertisements for flowers from past purchases, EZ pass toll records, gps records, how easy it is to return home with a hotel key. Just think about some peoples work, gps tracking in a company car, some people that travel a lot even have to have such a device on their personal car if they use it for business. Trackers in your phone, key stroke logs on your computer... It's slowly becoming very complex to stay private and with the addition of drones that's a whole new frontier. Something will happen one day and hopefully the general population will be able to provide a tipping point to bring us back to an even keel. Where aren't to a tipping point yet but I could see it happening, and possibly in our lifetime for a lot of people on the board. I just think of all the track covering I did when I would go on a strip club binge when I was married and I wasn't even being watched. I can only imagine how complex it would be for an organized criminal to pull something off.
  • Dougster
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    10 years ago
    I would say we are about to lose some civil liberties as a consequence of likely pending measures to crackdown on future domestic terrorism of this nature, but do we have any left?
  • gawker
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    10 years ago
    I just talked to my ATF and she was going to pick up gift cards at .50 on the dollar. She told me she could get gas cards, restaurant cards, and supermarket cards. She wanted to know what I wanted. I passed. These have to be stolen or counterfeit and therefore easily picked up by "Big Brother". I live a fairly legal life and prefer to keep it that way. She and I have discussed the wisdom of her buying a RFID card to surreptitiously scan credit cards in wallets without ever seeing them. She claims she can get dressed up walk through hotel lobbies, convention centers, etc. and by getting her scanner within a foot or two of most new credit cards she can get the card number, expiration date, and security number from the back. Her only hesitation has been how to use all this data. She can't get cash advances without the PIN and worries about buying material online without a clean address for delivery. I don't doubt she'll find a way soon.
  • steve229
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    10 years ago
    One of the things I like about my current club is that it's a hidden away spot in a nondescript strip mall, so there's little chance of being spotted going in or out. So the other day I park my car in the strip mall parking lot and as I'm walking to the club entrance I see this gaudily painted car with some bulky camera gear on a tripod strapped to the roof. As it passes me by I realize it's the freaking Google map street view car! So now I suppose when someone googles the club address my car is going to show up in the parking lot. Sheesh!
  • mikeya02
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    10 years ago
    @steve... I used google earth on my club and there was my car. My sweeties too! Granted, the license plates are blurred.
  • Lone_Wolf
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    10 years ago
    "Something will happen one day and hopefully the general population will be able to provide a tipping point to bring us back to an even keel." I just can't see that happening. Probably the opposite. Look what happened after 911 and the Patriot Act. Another disaster and who knows how much more freedom or privacy we'll be will to give away.
  • sharkhunter
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    10 years ago
    Well even the CIA can't track me if I pop up in a parallel universe. However they are probably already tracking all of us. The last time I posted about the CIA on another site, I got a phone call from 1-000-000-0000. subtle hint? I'm not worried though. I saw Chuck the tv show. The CIA sent a hot girl to watch Chuck. I'll be on the look out for any hot girls trying to sleep with me and discover all the stuff they want to know.
  • shailynn
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    10 years ago
    "I just can't see that happening. Probably the opposite. Look what happened after 911 and the Patriot Act. Another disaster and who knows how much more freedom or privacy we'll be will to give away." When I first read this I thought "nah" but then I read it again and you could be right. That would make us just like china then. It's scary to me when more people choose who they vote for because of gay marriage, or letting immigrant children stay over economy issues, civil liberties and national protection... No wonder things are going to shit
  • sharkhunter
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    10 years ago
    If there aren't any cameras or people around, you can break the law easy and no one will ever know. You probably can't even hardly walk across a road without breaking a law. jaywalking. It might be illegal for humans but animals do it all the time. Now if I see a cop trying to hand a ticket to a deer for jaywalking, I'll know I popped into a wacky alternate reality.
  • goonster
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    10 years ago
    Good thing I work in cyber security.
  • Clubber
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    10 years ago
    My concern isn't the "tracking" itself (some form has been around for eternity), but rather why and what is done with the data. No secret these days what this "administration" has done and might do with their "tracking".
  • tumblingdice
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    10 years ago
    My brother works for the State Department and believe me nobody wants to know about the jerkoffs on this board.
  • Dougster
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    10 years ago
    I'm with clubber. Let's assume that they are completely stomping out terrorism with their surveillance programs - the stated purpose. How many lives a year is that saving? Maybe 100-200 on average? Look at all the money and effort they are devoting to doing that. By comparison how hard would it be to save 100-200 lives a year in the country due to heart disease? Something more sinister is up.
  • SlickSpic
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    10 years ago
    Everything ain't all doom and gloom. It could be worse. We could be living in Tokugawa Era Japan. Or we could have Mongols knocking at our gates.
  • skibum609
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    10 years ago
    If people here have yet to read Orwell's 1984 you really should. It was written in 1948 by an avowed Socialist with a hatred of all encompassing, powerful government. In 1948 he saw today's world and where it was going in all of its' ugly and frightening glory.
  • SlickSpic
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    10 years ago
    I'd also add to that read a book by Huxley titled "Brave New World". Besides the government surveillance, we as a people on social media are giving our governments and private entities our lives on a silver platter.
  • JohnSmith69
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    10 years ago
    I recently got a ticket from a red light camera. The problem? The ticket was at 2 am a block away from my favorite club that I had just left. Hard to explain that one. The fucking light was broken, so I had no choice but to go through it or sit there all night. I intercepted the ticket in the mail before it was seen because I knew it was coming. But I think this experience proves the validity of concerns over our loss of privacy. Every time I leave a club I have to be careful to erase the electronic evidence of my presence. It would almost be easier to just get divorced so there's nobody who cares about my stripper adventures.
  • Dougster
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    10 years ago
    JohnSmith: "Every time I leave a club I have to be careful to erase the electronic evidence of my presence" Got an iPhone? It is known that AAPL store your GPS data for the last six months. Supposedly anonymized. Since the NSA has never said "no" to collection of any data, I'm sure they are there too, storing it non-anonymized and forever.
  • Dougster
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    10 years ago
    ^^^ also, to point out what may be obvious, even if the data is stored anonymized how hard would it be to de-anonymize it? Hmmmm.... This guy drives to this home each night, and leaves there in the morning and goes to work here...
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