Stupid Me

I remember going to a bikini bar and getting a lot of attention than the other guys down the bar tipping before me, probably better than me and was physically bigger than me (in a good kind of way). Didn't know what the deal was and I'm sure the other guys were laughing at me for groping so much even though they were trying to grope too, but I got a lot of attention and pussy flashing. I tried to ask for OTC (since apparently this kind of bikini bar was so crappy, there were no lap dances) and she said sure but give her the money first. I told her when we get to the location.

Fast forward closing time (she said sure) and I waited 15 minutes for her ass. Finally comes out, looks at me and sure enough gets in a taxi....without me. Damn sure glad I didn't give her the money first. SOmetimes man, you got to have the will to take charge or you will be suckered forever. And I really didn't care about fucking either.

I pay my mechanic after my ride is fixed. I pay my bar tab after I've drank. I pay my doctor co-pay after the doctor sees me. It's no different with strippers. You pay after you play. On occasion, with OTC or with escorts, I'll pay half up front and half after.

"Might go back to that club at some point to see if I can see her again."

Do you want to see her to beat her ass or to get scammed again?

She forgot to tell you she doesn't show up outside either.

Don't let one ROB turn you off the whole game. There's plenty out there who *do* follow through.

Honestly man, being out $200 isn't nearly as bad as it could have been. If you aren't careful, a lot could go wrong trying to get together for some OTC time with someone you've never even seen before.

Last month someone I went to high school with got rolled and had his skull fractured in two places when he was on a first date with someone he met on some dating site. It all points to more of a setup than a coincidence, the chic he was out with wasn't the one who called 911. He was eventually released from the hospital but took a fall at home and spent the last couple days of his life unconscious on life support.

It's hard enough to trust people these days anyway, don't put yourself in a risky spot trusting someone you don't know that essentially gets paid to bullshit you.

Jim, you hve just received a valuable education and it only cost $200. This is a much better value than the Ivy League.

Yeah, I know what happened. Out of the game too long and bit at the first whiff of success. Got overeager hearing anything other than "No" or "After I get to know a guy."

I should add a detail: The $200 wasn't specifically for her tip out, but it seemed implied as an upfront payment.

It went like this: After talking/dances where she was more than OK with pushing boundaries and seemingly honest about things she liked/didn't about me ("I like chunky guys, you're kinda skinny for me"), we talked more. She brought it up: "Would you be interested in getting together and having some fun?" Sure.

"How about tonight. Right now. I've done a room. I can tip out and go." OK. How would this work?

"I don't take money outside of the club. So if you could give me a tip now, we can get together and have some fun." How much? She gave the amount, I came back with it, and she gave the location, "15 minutes" and the car description.

This is part of why I'm debating going back. I'm assuming she hasn't up and quit the club. If she's still there, and something happened such that we just didn't meet, then, if she sees me again, doesn't run away, is apologetic and doesn't ask for more cash, then hey, I'm game for a raincheck. Heck, I'll just take more dances and an explanation.

If she asks for more, though, or avoids me, or whatever, then yeah, screw that.

Of course, maybe she said something to the club and they won't let me in now. Or maybe the club saw what happened and didn't let her go without a stern warning or a firing. Or maybe she got reeled into something else and just couldn't escape. Who knows.

Anything is a risk -- that's part of why we do this. If the situation comes up again, I'll be less eager (unless it takes 12 years again). I've had it work once before in a different town where the woman did show, albeit with no green up front but an implication of it later. Just need to be smarter. Experience helps. Yup, good education.

Jim, I got scammed the same way with the whole "I don't take money outside the club" line. She claimed she didn't take money outside the club because she didn't want to feel like a prostitute. Guess what, darlin'? If I pay you for sex, whether it be I pay you inside for what happens outside or not, you're a prostitute. But I fell for it as well. Never again. And mine was like $400, not $200. So yeah, I got screwed and not in a good way.

Jim - There's a name for money lost like that... "Tuition." I've paid it plenty of time, both in situations like yours, and for other non SC situations.

We all gotta learn somehow, and life's classroom is as good as most. In fact, if you learn a good lesson that enables you to make better decisions later, then you've made a good investment.

Keep swinging and good luck. You'll be sharing Shadow-quality stories in no time...

Yeah. I'm not broken up about it. With this, all that happened was I went a little over my budget for the night ... big whoop. If anything, I'm just disappointed I didn't get a shot at the girl. She was hot.

I just hope I'm better prepared should the opportunity come up again. And, also hopeful the opportunity will come up again with a different girl who's a little more on-target.

Good to know I'm not the only one who's been there.

Chalk it up as a learning experience and move on. Thanks for your honesty.

We’ve all fallen for it – that is thinking w/ the little head instead of the big one.

Dealing with strippers is business – we may not see it that way while we are trying to think w/ a hard-on; but they sure do and it what is primarily on their minds ($$$).

It’s unwise to give $$$ upfront to a contractor we don’t know while the contractor is promising the world; they can easily disappear w/o doing any of the work – so is dealing with OTC.

I partially blame the town I'm in. If it wasn't so darn rare that a girl even entertains the idea of it here, then guys wouldn't get taken so much and there'd be more trust & opportunities for everyone!

But, that's idealism. Oh well.