morality/religion
neon44
Dumped by ATF?
I've been going to SCs about 2-3 times a month for the last half year. I'm more of a deist/agnostic and not religious but often feel guilty after attending a SC. Almost like I'm committing a "sin" or something. I don't even buy dances every time. Maybe its because I'm fb friends with a few fundies I met on youtube. lol
ps. I'm a fan of the website and am not judging anyone here.
ps. I'm a fan of the website and am not judging anyone here.
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I enjoy doing what I do in clubs and have NO moral qualms about my activities.
As in interesting aside to your comment, I had a strange occurance during a strip club visit several weeks ago. I had a good fully nude lap dance from a very cute dancer. It was on a Tuesday and I asked her if she "danced" on Sundays. She looked me square in the eyes and said "no, I attend church on Sunday". After several more minutes she revealed that the church she attends is "diferent". According to her, it is "non denominational" and "non judgemental". She also added that smoking was permitted in church and many of the parishiners were bikers. Might just be the place for you, neon44.
Have a seat, my son. Let's discuss this in more detail.
Now, I noticed that in the one club review you posted, that just about everyone you encountered in that club was either rude to you, or annoyed with you, and you even felt that one of the customers was staring at you.
Interesting...
Now, do you find that you often feel that others are laughing at you behind your back, or perhaps judging you? Did you often get scolded as a child?
Perhaps you have an issue with low self esteem, and feel that you're always doing something wrong.
Or, on the other hand, maybe you're just like everyone else who subconsciously thinks that strip clubs are naughty.
So those statements sum up why I don't think there are any moral issues, but that is my opinion. Neon44 whether or not strip clubs are for you is something for you to figure out. If you think they are fun and you enjoy going then go. However if you find yourself uncomfortable then look into other hobbies.
BUT there are a GREAT MANY members who don't seem to have any problems with questioning the morals of dancers.
Guilt about visiting stripclubs or partaking of pleasures in the adult industry? Pfffft. No way am I gonna feel guilty about feeling GOOD.
: )
But yeah, wow. I do see what you mean Doug!!
Yep, some girls do have pimps. Think there were a fair number at Honey's back in the day.
One guy on the local escort board estimated it as high as 7-8% of all strippers back then. At Honey's I'm sure it was at least that high, nowadays not sure.
Then there is the angle of would I be okay with a daughter doing it, given what I know about what really goes on?
One thing I've noticed over the years, however, is how the clubbing has eroded my superego, I know the things above rationally but don't feel them anymore. I'm also completely indifferent to them trying to falsely on hopes I'll feel any compassion for their plights.
I'd say about 1 in 50 times I meet a stripper now I feel like I'm dealing with a real person as opposed to sex doll for hire. Not sure if that is good or not.
I do not doubt that some girls have pimps and are forced (many by circumstance) to work there. Kate I do not understand why you would continue to work at a club that has such high fees and high percentage of forced labor.
I am a libertarian at heart: Have a set of reasonable rules (over 18, away from residential and school areas, no illegal drugs on property, security to keep order) then live and let live, willing buyer willing seller. If a community at large does not want a club it will not stay in business due to lack of business. Prostitution I do not have a problem with it in the abstract but abusive pimps and patrons should be hung upside down by their testicles until their sack is below their ankles.
Please remember that going into a strip club doesnt mean you arent a good person. There are religious and non religious people who do horrible things. Getting a lapdance isnt one of them. Please be easier on yourself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sO2_PxQds…
Couldn't your worry about being "found out" by your SO be construed as quilt?
So are you saying that because they have a pimp they're forced to do what they're doing? That's what I don't understand. Don't they choose to love the guy and stay with him and put up with his shit? Couldn't they just as easily hop a bus tomorrow and go across the country, and get a job stripping somewhere else and get away from the crap?
I can't help thinking they want to stay with 'daddy' cuz deep down they think they love him, or need him, or whatever twisted thing they're feeling for him.
Yeah, it's sad.
http://www.atg.wa.gov/HumanTrafficking/S…
http://www.childrenofthenight.org/faq.ht…
http://thecnnfreedomproject.blogs.cnn.co…
I have no doubt there is human trafficking going on in strip clubs. I have long believed that there are some girls in each club I go to who are sent there by their pimp and it is deplorable. Hell, at one club I used to go to, I personally believed the club owner was the pimp. But at the end of the day, if they are not smart enough to realize they have free will to escape stripping, then that's their own damn fault for not knowing. They are just as guilty as their pimp.
OTOH, there are plenty of strippers who seem totally cognizant of the fact they don't have to be strippers and they strip anyway.
They believe they can't leave:
- because they will be killed if they try.
- because some family member will be hurt if they try.
- because they have no prospects for any other line of work.
- because they are addicted to whatever the pimp has hooked them on.
In some cases, as has recently been related to me, the pimp has actually provided some useful help and training. Sure, it's directly related to helping maximize profits for the pimp, but it's also perceived by the girl that he's actually helping *her*, and so she sees it as a benefit.
There are also the girls who think they are (or might actually be) in love with their pimps because they rescued them from some situation, or gave them a place to live when no one else would, or makes sure their kid gets to the doctor when needed, or something of that nature.
To someone on the *inside*, the degradation, intimidation, manipulation, deception and mental and emotional control aren't as obvious as it is to those of us on the inside.
It's kind of like religion. Those who adhere to one religion or another don't realize how they've been brainwashed since birth.