Girls that say '......in the vip'

In my experience, Yes. However, I don't do VIP without sampling the goods first by a table or lap dance. I usually tell them to convince me that I want to go to VIP with them. They usually do.

If they insinuate, you're likely to be disappointed. If they promise -- and it's a specific promise about exactly what they'll do -- you're likely not to be.

I've found it 50/50.

Agree with Earl; specificity in activity is more likely to cum to fruition. Some vagueness or evasiveness in the face of possible LE is to be expected, though.

dowcat's right. You need to know what you're buying.

I would never take a dancer's word on it. Unless it is a club where the VIP is only $25/song like in Detroit. But here in Columbus the VIP means $200-350 for a 30 minute session so it is not uncommon to hear wild promises from dancers about what will happen just to get you back there because there are no refunds if you come out 5 minutes later complaining - they might at best let you switch to a different dancer.

SC, Agree with that, what I meant to add in to the question was that say you were having the dance with a girl and she was hot but wasn't going very far mileage wise but then insinuated or promised higher mileage in the vip, are these girls bullshitting or are they reliable?

Sounds like BS, londonguy. Overall, if you are in a high mileage city, it's going to happen in a normal VIP area. If they have the "Champagne Room" type of VIP area from what most of our guys (and gals) report, it's a waste of money and time believing the ROB's.

I usually ask them to prove their naughtiness in a single dance and then I will take them to VIP. In my experience if she's serious she'll give you a little taste of what is to come. Or prove that she was lying.

Yeah, you really can't expect much from a champagne room. It's most often not going to be FS, sometimes not even a HJ. It can be a good time still, but a lot of money for it.

Depends on the city. In New Orleans on Bourbon Street, except at one specific club, if they say ANYTHING other than, "In the VIP it's the same," then they're lying. In Toronto, to the contrary, it is generally the case (or, it USED to be, back when I was familiar with that city) that so many girls give good high- or full-service in the VIP, that girls had to be explicit about what you would or would not get back there, so you could likely trust their statements.

My experience: The more the dancer talks about VIP, the less it's worth it.

I think this is where well drafted reviews help. Strippers are lying thieving whores. You take them at their action not their word.

Yes or they dont get paid. I dont pay some big amount just to take a gal to vip. In that situation if she wants to make money, she can see me otc at motel. I am ViP at a SE Houston club, consequently entry to VIP is free for me (otherwise $120). When I take a gal to vip the price of the serviced is negotiated before it happens. It may be say $200 for BJ then CFS. I might show her money or lay it on table. AFter service is over with she gets paid. Performance between different girls will vary. I usually go with one I have done before who was good.

Sometimes I will take a gal to vip and get a couple of dances then make her an offer for sex. If she does not play, I pay her for the dances, then I simply go downstairs and find another girl. Nowadays I simply will ask them if they play and negotiate the price of the service before I take them up to vip.

At a club like Centerfolds - Houston (Westchase area) it is around $60 to go to the upstairs VIP (a pay as you go). Most of the girls at the club play and $200 can usually get you BJ / CFS. I have come there many times in the past, enjoyed their great lunch buffet and then some great sex with a view of the stage.

I have read a lot of the Hustle Hut SS from the bitches on SW about "upselling VIP." I have to laugh at that as unless they fuck, they wont be selling me anything. Nor will I pay more than say $60 just to take a gal in a vip room based on promises. I had some gal in LA try to sell me a $300 VIP promising to rock me. I asked her if I would get pussy and she played coy. I then offered $300 if she would meet me at my hotel room for BBBJ / CFS. She then walked off in a huff. Some of them out there are ROB's.

My last dancer promised to go extra in the VIP and she delivered big; so they're not all liars. On a side note I'm meeting her for OTC Sun. Can't fucking wait

after getting screwed over a couple of times by promises that weren't fulfilled, I no longer accept the insinuation. if dancer wants to do VIP, I make her spell out completely what is available. some will and others will not. those that don't, I give a pass..

A list of some of the biggest lies:
1) "Check is in the mail"
2) "Van is on the way, should be there shortly."
3) "Things will get better in VIP".
Please feel free to add to list...........

From us to them: "I won't cum in your mouth."

london, what earl and gmd said are right on the money in my experience. Negotiate the specifics before you get in there. Usually, if the girl is willing to agree to specific acts before you go in then there is a good, but far from guaranteed, likelihood that she will deliver, but if she is coy then there is no chance.

But as others have also pointed out, do your upfront research! There are only a handful of places in the country where I will even bother to go into a VIP. All of the conditions need to be right: very private booths with no cameras, a club and an area known for willing girls, reasonable cost vs. potential OTC alternatives, etc.

Anyway, your situation sounds very fishy to me. In my experience, accomodating girls are fairly aggressive when trying to sell a VIP. If your girl is giving you tame LDs, then I wouldn't expect the full monty in VIP.

I'm interested in how Player-1 (or anyone else, for that matter) has managed to get full-service interactions in which the provider gets paid AFTER the fuck. In my experience, 100% of the time, it's cash up front, and she doesn't get down to business until the entire amount of cash has been handed over, and tucked away in some little lock-box or purse. This has been the case in prostitution situations with "true" escorts and call girls, in-call, out-call, massage parlors, and with "fake" providers like strippers tricking in the VIP rooms. Cash up front.

Not to say that we hadn't agreed to exactly what kind of service I was going to get for what kind of price, or that the girl rips me off after I pay her. I have generally been pleased to receive the service bargained for, or perhaps a little bit more than I had expected. There has been the odd few rip-off-bitches, and I always review them as negatively as I can everywhere on the internet I can think of; plus, I go tell all the dudes on the main floor, if I'm at a strip club; and I keep telling until a bouncer hustles me out, or she tries to bitch-fight with me and starts yelling; and it's always fun. :) But generally, it's been cash-up-front required; and, if I've paid up front, I've probably gotten what I wanted and expected.

I've had a few, limited occasions, when the girl has gone farther than we agreed, even though "nothing" had been agreed, above and beyond a standard lapper. Like, she reached into the pants and whacked me off during the three songs that I paid for, for example; or she engaged in the whole full-service coitus act in the VIP and yet we had not spoken of doing anything more than lappers at such-and-so-price per song. Afterwards, I would pay her, probably only what was the usual price per song, despite higher service. On those few occasions, I suppose you could TECHNICALLY say that I didn't pay her until after she had provided the service.

But aside from that weird situation (no more than 5% of the time, overall), it's cash up front. How do you get around that?

BG: I make it clear up front that she's not getting paid until after. If that's a deal breaker for her, then it's a deal breaker for me. Yeah, I've missed a few on account of it, but the most of the time, the most I get is "well, I at least need to see the money." I suppose it might also help that almost *all* of my OTC has been preceded by ITC, where I've paid after as well.

Ah, to "see the money" might mean, that you put it aside, maybe on a side-table or on the other end of the couch, in a quaint little stack? If this is the case, then you and I have often been doing exactly the same thing, but describing it with opposite terms -- for you, the side-stack is "no payment until after," while for me it's "money up front." :) I don't use the side-stack trick VERY often, but I have done. Maybe when I'm in Houston next, you can share your secrets with me. :)

PS -- I paid before for both OTC and ITC, so that distinction isn't dispositive for me. And, although my earlier query's initial description that the money always gets tucked away in a little lock box before the act, does seem to contradict my most recent post's statement that I sometimes put it to the side in a little stack. I can clarify but I think I've gotten confused now ... :P ...

For me most of the time the VIP has been better than the private dances, but that is because I only go for a VIP from dancers who were regulars and knew that if they screwed me over they wouldn't see me again.

Several told me to just get dances from her in the regular area, since the VIP's are a rip off. One said that they can't get away with as much because the manager is more attentive to the cameras in the VIP area than in the private dance area.

And one flat out stated that she makes more money if I just bought $250 dollars worth of dances in the regular area, and that the dances would last longer, about 40 minutes instead of 30 minutes. I averaged about 3 such sessions per year with her for the two years she danced there.

BG: Nope. I usually have the cash I'm going to give her all separated out before I meet her, or before we go to the VIP room in the ITC case. I'll take it out of my pocket, fan it out so she can see it, then put it back in my pocket. It doesn't come out of my pocket until we're done.

You got more game than I got, obviously. :P

I guess I might give that a try, but it really seems out-of-the-norm. I'll report if there are any dispositive, novel, or unexpected results.

I think we can only go from or own experiences. Mine are most all positive.

I have found its 50/50 depending on the club. In my club, normal song lappers are watched by bouncers and there's higher traffic, so generally not much can happen there. VIPs are private, and have far less traffic so..... :)

BG: It's not game, it's just being willing to walk away with a hard-on when she insists on payment up front. And then doing it. If she's nit scamming, she's nit gonna gripe too much. If she gripes too much, she's probably scamming.