Newbie advice, please!

20 comments

• CTQWERTY

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  13 years ago

  I think if in your shoes, I'd save the champagne room money for a trip to Vegas.<p> I once did an 8-hour shift (6pm to 2am, so I saw a good amount of primetime) at the main stage of The Spearmint Rhino tipping out the $1s. $200 in singles. But that was about the most continuous stream of eye candy I am ever likely to witness throughout my living days. I think all TUSCLers ought to do the same once. [Of course the gals and the house want you to spend the big dough on lappers and VIPs, but let the other PLs pay that cost!]<p>
• 2ofus

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  13 years ago

  100%, it depends on the girl. You are gambling, unless you know the girl from previous experience. Many, many times, the VIP is no better than the floor. Sometimes, though, it is much, much better. Best bet is to go with your gut until you find a few that will do what you want / expect. At least then, you'll have a sure thing if you want it. Gamble when you feel like it.
• SuperDude

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  13 years ago

  Every well groomed, polite customer is eyed as a source of revenue. Dancers know that the young frat boys and gangsta don't have money. Older guys have money, but are not much fun. You are a prime target. Don't let dancers try and "own" you as a regular. So, a dancer is disappointed that you bought dances from someone else. It's your money and time and this is not high school dating. Keep loose and enjoy the variety. Champagne rooms are, generally, a high priced rip-off. No action, but very expensive. A must to avoid. I've always enjoyed my trips to Pacific Northwest, but never got to a strip club out that way.
• Slin

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  13 years ago

  Who knows, maybe you can make use of the dancer's jealousies to play them off of each other and get yourself a bit of extra mileage from that. I don't have experience with this though so try it at your own peril.
• georgmicrodong

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  13 years ago

  Is your interest in VIP/CR for the purpose of getting something more than a DIRTY lap dance, or are you just looking for an extended DIRTY lap dance? And what do you mean by "dirty" or "nasty"? Grinding you off in your pants? Stinky finger? Stick shifting? Hands up your shorts or down your waistband? Something else? If you're just looking for a longer version of what you're getting on the floor, then, depending on the price, itight be worth looking into. However, like others have posted, it might *not*; some girls are aggressive on the main floor, but then don't deliver even that level in the back. Your floor "dirty" dancer might turn into an air dancer in the back. If you're looking to get off, then you have to be even more careful, unless it's a club known to be extras tolerant, or even friendly (see "Detroit"). Many girls will promise the moon, until your money is in their hands, then it's "I'm not a whore!" A firm statement of her intentions for the VIP coupled with a clear statement on your part that the size of the tip, and followup business, is dependent on her following through with that commitment may help you get what you want. It might not, though. I don't know anything about the clubs in your area, so you're going to have to be the judge of how likely you are to get what you want.
• idaho_75

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  13 years ago

  Thanks, all. I am having a great time clubbing so far, and I appreciate all the tips the experts have helped me out with. CTQWERTY, you've convinced me; I think I will save up some dough for a Vegas venture sometime. Thanks guys, and keep the advice coming. I'd prefer to come home from the club smiling, rather than broke and wondering what the heck happened.
• georgmicrodong

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  13 years ago

  Oh, and IME, the best way to deal with the possessiveness issue is to make it clear that you won't put up with it. You might not be able to use my "if my wife can deal with me being with other women, so can you" line, but there are plenty of other ways to make that sentiment clear. Remember, she's just trying to get the maximum amount of money that she can from you; she'll share with the other girls if she understands that it's either that or get *none* of of what you're spending. She'll still *try* to get more, but you'll be prepared to defend against it. :)
• Slin

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  13 years ago

  You should say something like "Hey if you were a cook at a restaurant, you wouldn't mind cooking for more then one customer right? *wink*"
• chimark

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  13 years ago

  idaho, to each his own... I'm a big fan of the VIP, but that's just me.. I like to know that i have time with a girl. It has it's pluses and it has it's minuses like everything else... First and foremost the girl is gonna relax some because they just hit paydirt that night... that of course has it's own set of problems because they may know that they got the $ and don't stress much, on the flipside they may just give you a great time because they're not worried. I'd recommend you try it once... do the shortest time limit first ... If you don't like it, just don't do it anymore.
• looneylarry

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  13 years ago

  I wouldn't lose any sleep over the girls getting catty and "jealous". Let them know that you will continue to play the field and you could even hint that their behavior might drive you away from the club. (Only a bluff, but they don't need to know that.) Some of the more remote clubs can be real gems. Can be good if local LE just don't care. My experience with champagne rooms is that there is even more security and you get the same or less in there in mileage. In the right club, with the right girl, you might get lucky with just LDs. A good sign is a dancer that likes to take off your belt, unbutton some of your buttons, run her hands under your shirt, pinch your nipples, reach into your pants, move the g-string as she pushes her cootch into your face, untucks your dress shirt so that she can get her hands under the tails. I had a fav that knew how to get my head just above the waistband and she did a lot of quick licks when she could get away with it. One night she was especially frisky and inserted my fingers for an energetic fingerbang for a song or two (which she unmistakably enjoyed) and then took in the johnson for a short while until I saw two bouncers together looking our way and pointing. I didn't mind *her* getting a little possessive. But this was after several visits and we had spent some time together. It is fairly rare, but you can tell if there is a connection developing.
• Rod8432

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  13 years ago

  Newbie - There's 'nuff said re: Champagne/VIP. I did want to add though that your ATF also needs to circulate to make $, and how would she feel if you expected her just to spend time with you, if you weren't buying LDs? It wouldn't work because you both know that clubbing there, and working there, entail mixing and mingling. It doesn't mean that you two can't make your time special when together, but you can't nor are expected to spend all your time together. She'll understand that, and if she gives you a little pout, you can always assure her she's your fav, or among your favs, and you always have a few dances in you whenever you see her.
• potheadpl

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  13 years ago

  My advice to you is to find the target of least resistance, take her to VIP, and get laid. Then you will gain a whole new perspective. Either that or you can treat them like regular girls. Flirt, tell jokes, use your charm. Exchange numbers. Get on her Facebook. Eventually you'll hook it up.
• baltimoretraveler

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  13 years ago

  Dancers used to get jealous when I would sit with different girls but that all stopped when I told one that I didn’t complain about how many guys she sat with so she shouldn’t get jealous if I sat with other dancers. It also helps if you get to know the bartender/s well because many of them (at least the good ones) know the dancers and can help you avoid lot of the stripper drama. I don’t do VIPs in the club so I can’t comment on that aspect except to say that sometimes the rooms according to the dancers are not very spacious and the clock is running once you decide to go there. In a club, the VIP could cost $150 but the dancer might only see $80 of that and then you have to tip her at least another $100 on top of the $150. So you are talking $250 minimum for 30 minutes assuming the bouncer gives you the full half hour. The alternative is to meet a dancer outside the club, which is what I do and that seems to work better. The dancers prefer it because they get more money and I don’t feel as pressed for time and it’s usually only $150 for a minimum of 1 hour.
• sharkhunter

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  13 years ago

  I never spent any money on a Champagne room. I have met a few dancers who really did want to hook up with me and some did away from the club for one reason or another. Dancers will lie and suggest things to make you spend the money, then there is a good chance you will not get what you want if you haven't already been getting it from her before. Meeting a dancer who seriously wants to hook up away from the club is the exception. This was mainly when I was in my 20's and early 30's. I haven't had any dancers trying to hook up lately who stayed serious about it past a single strip club visit. I was glad in one case too because the dancer started talking about dating etc. etc. and that she had one kid and that she had no boyfriend. I was thinking I do not want to date her. I never brought the subject up again. I believe she was pretending the next visit and it seemed like she forgot I even talked about it after that. There is another dancer who when I first met her suggested exchanging phone numbers and something about she lives fairly close to me. If she thought about hooking up at one time, I think she has grown more comfortable with me just routinely spending a little bit of money in the club on a couple of drinks and a couple of dances. Even though she seems to make a point to get to me all the time. She's hot so I guess I shouldn't complain. I heard if you routinely spend a lot of money on a dancer, she'll think of you as a customer and you're less likely to ever hook up with her. Most of the time if I hooked up with a dancer, things happened fairly fast after first meeting them. I guess things might be different if other guys are talking about paying a dancer like an escort service. I'm not.
• gk

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  13 years ago

  1. Don't spring for VIP or Champagne Room unless you know for sure that you can get something more there that is worth paying for. Research before you invest. If you can't find out, you're paying for a test drive. 2. Find out how the VIP charge is split between the house and the dancer (if it's split at all). This gives you negotiating leverage. 3. Don't make a sucker purchase, for example: --$300 just for a Champagne Room/dances extra (or whatever price point is personally ridiculous) --A VIP/Champagne/whatever room, with cameras (an excuse for not doing anything beyond the ordinary) 4. Be a consistent spender on the floor and dancers will deliver more for you consistently without having to pay more for a VIP room. 5. To avoid being cornered as a dancer's customer when you want to stay flexible, try using this escape: --"can you introduce me to XXX? I'd like to spend some time with her today." --"is XXX here today?. Can you send her over? --I'd like to buy XXX a drink? Have you seen her? ...then add: "then I'd like to spend time with you again next time I'm hjere" Keep it simple, polite but very clear. It usually works. If Miss Possessive can't take the hint, then simply reach out and politely pull over an appealing dancer to your space and ask if you can buy her a drink, that usually sends the right message.
• Realist123

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  13 years ago

  calculate the price for VIP vs regular dances is the same per song/time/cost just in a more relaxed area say songs are $20 each (3min songs) and you want 10. Why not go into vip for 30mins at $200. same cost/time and be more comfortable with more privacy? As long as she is actually dancing in there or giving you your extras, there you go!
• georgmicrodong

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  13 years ago

  Frankly, if the VIP is no better than the floor dance, just longer, such an approach would be boring. For that same $200, I could fondle 10 different sets of boobs, rather than one, and have 10 opportunities to feel her out about how much of my shit she'll put up with.
• Realist123

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  13 years ago

  it's all circumstantial george
• sharkhunter

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  13 years ago

  If a dancer ever complains about you getting dances from other dancers, just remind her that you aren't married to her and she is dancing for lots of other guys so what's the problem?
• steve229

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  13 years ago

  I let the dancers know that if anybody is gonna be jealous and possessive, it's going to be me, lol.