Might have a chance to fuck a dancer for the first time

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• harrydave

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  14 years ago

  Sorry to say, the most likely thing is that she was playing you a bit, trying to develop your preference for her, so you would do her favors or simply spend more money on her at a later date. I give OTC action only a small probability. BTW, when you wait for the end of the evening to give a girl a ride....that's usually it. Finally, when you called her she did not respond. That's the strongest evidence it's not going anywhere. You want stripper pooty? Why? LOL! As a rule, strippers have many issues. However, the approach is simple and direct. First you need a few hundred dollars and a place to take her. Then you need to go into a club and find her. Then you need to ask her.
• Slin

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  14 years ago

  Actually she said she was going to give me a ride home...which was the first WTF comment of the night (the 2nd being the one about me having ADD) because like the ADD one, it came out of nowhere. I was thinking of just finding her next time I head to the club and asking if she was hustling me and then saying I'll spend money on her as long as she kept her dances just as hot they were before. Maybe I can make a monetary offer too for some OTC action?
• SuperDude

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  14 years ago

  Sounds like a play/ploy to get you to become a RIL or PL. If she thinks she can string you along while collecting money, she will. It's the ultimate tease. You keep buying dances, giving tips or buying presents in the hope that one day you will get the prize. She will take you as far as she can, drop you and go on the next sucker. Or, you will get to hit it once, but then she is always busy while you continue to spend, hoping for the second OTC. Some guys will advise the direct approach--just ask her and set a time in a hotel room. When she doesn't show or refuses to go, then you'll know. I would advise playing along with the tease, spending no more than you want to and expecting nothing in return. When the tease has run its course, move on.
• sauternes

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  14 years ago

  And if you go down this route, you should only spend $ on the agreed upon services. No dinners, airfare, rental cars, etc. even if in exchange for services. You do this and she may even claim you're dating. If you're not satisfied being a major PL you'll wise up to the SS at this point and get scared...
• Slin

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  14 years ago

  I'm planning to see her this this week...will report back. Thanks for any feedback. I don't mind if they are harsh or brutal, that's exactly what I need
• kingcripple

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  14 years ago

  There are alot of myths about strippers. One of them you fell for. She isn't that lonely. She isn't a whore. She made you think she was into you. I see alot of the comments that have apparently fallen for a different myth about strippers. The first commenter in particular. She probably doesn't have as many issues as people may think about strippers. I think if you even HOPE to get any OTC, don't expect it. Don't appear to expect it. Certainly don't outright ask for it. And as for her giving you her "real" name, it's probably another alias, unless she showed you her drivers licence. I had a dancer give me her real name and i am careful to assume she is honest. after all what girl needs a stalker? I may be the youngest person to post on tuscl, but i certainly aint the dumbest
• Slin

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  14 years ago

  I actually did a reverse cell phone search on the number she gave me and it actually matched up. He first name is indeed Linda and the last name that came up is pretty Arabic sounding. The report also gave her age and it matches what my buddy had told me her age was (apparently she had told him). I'm posting because I know it's full of people who have managed to get OTC contacts so i'm hoping to get advice on how to pursue it without getting screwed over. What have your guys' experiences been?
• Clubber

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  14 years ago

  Slin, All I can tell you is real simple. Every number that I've wanted and have gotten from a dancer has been real. Everyone of them has answered the phone or at least called me back. And the "relationship", as it was, continued. In your case, I tend to agree that she is playing you for $'s.
• farmerart

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  14 years ago

  You are obviously hooked. Nothing we say is going to change your mind. Go with it and see where it goes. JUST BE SAFE! Getting a ride home from her is unwise. Anything you choose to do with her do ITC or on neutral ground. I suspect that all us tuscl mongers have been in your shoes at one time. You have to let the little head lead you at least once in this hobby. I sure did. But, I emphasize, be safe.
• txtittyfan

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  14 years ago

  First encounters are random and full of expectations. The second encounter will allow you to get more great dances and call her bluff if she is playing you. If she is not playing you, you may have a good time. If so, make sure you let us know where she dances.
• georgmicrodong

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  14 years ago

  *One* unanswered phone call isn't that big a deal. She might have been with family or friends, or just somewhere she didn't want to take a phone call, like in a hotel room with a dick in her mouth. (Good news for you if it's that last.) However, I'm mostly in agreement with harrydave on this one, i.e. she's employing typical stripper tactics to keep you interested and coming back to spend money on her. There is still a possibility, however small, that she's willing to take it up a notch, though. Next time you see her, tell her you called and see what she says. If yours does, ask her if her phone plan allows text messaging (though you shouldn't commit to text anything you wouldn't want your mother to read), and use that next time; it's often easier for girls who do this sort of thing to text than it is to talk on the phone. I'm sure you can see why. And to chime in on the other comments, it's time to put up or shut up, for both of you. See if she'll agree on a time, place and cost. If she does, see if she shows up. If she's vague about any of those, fails to show, pulls any crap about needing more money once you get there, or wanting it in advance, you'll know. As has been said so many times on these boards, don't pay until *after* you get yours, no matter how she whines, cries or complains, even if you've already paid for the hotel room. One tactic that works for me in determining her seriousness is the next time I see her, I'll buy *one* dance or drink, and during that, steer the conversation over to "so, let's talk some more about that 'ride home'; what did you have in mind?" and see where that leads. If there's vagueness and avoidance, you're done. If she's talking specifics, try to set something up, or make arrangements for one of you to call the other. When you're done with the dance/drink, though, be done. Don't spend any more significant amounts of money on her. Stage tips, maybe another drink or two, but nothing more. Even leave the club. If she calls, or answers your call, later, then you might be on to something. If the club at which she is working is extras friendly, i.e. no cameras, reasonably priced and private VIP/CR, no interrupting bouncers, etc, you *might* try seeing if she's willing to do something there for a reasonable price. Again, though, make sure you know what she's offering and what her "tip" is going to be up front and, even though you may have to pay for the VIP before going in, don't pay *her* unless, and until after, she delivers. Remember, though, she could still be playing you, so you should be ready for her to start avoidance tactics at *any* stage of the game, regardless of how enthusiastic she's been up to that point. Right up to the moment your dick is poised at the opening you've agreed on, you should be prepared to hear some variant of "I don't know, maybe this isn't such a good idea." It's also possible that she's just looking for either a boyfriend or a sugar daddy. You know what she does for a living. Do you want to get serious with someone who does that? Your call, there; that sort of thing isn't for me, but I'm not you. With regard to the latter, being a sugar daddy ain't so bad, as long as you're getting the sugar. I prefer paying as I go, though, it's easier to keep track of who owes who what and when. :)
• DougS

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  14 years ago

  Slin: As many have stated, BE CAREFUL. What are the chances that you are being played? ohh... probably around 97%. I think there are a lot of good suggestions above, and GMDs response was certainly detailed enough to get you pointed in the right direction. My question to YOU is, what are YOU looking for. Are you just looking for a fuck OTC, an OTC arrangement, or are you looking for a relationship? Your answer to that question pretty much determines in my mind, which way you should play this. If you are looking for the fuck, visit her in the club and press her limits ITC, and if you don't get what you want, then proceed with the "so, about that ride home..." discussion with her and try to get something agreed upon. If you are looking for an OTC arrangement (semi-long term), or an actualy relationship, IMO, you have to play it a little more gently. Establish a rapport with her, get to know her better, let her get to know you, and start proposing what you have in mind. If you want a relationship - you want to date her, then I think we are all in agreement, RETHINK! As was wisely put, do you really want to date a stripper? (I may have to start a separate thread about that) I have done that.. with a two dancers, and MIGHT be heading for a third go at it) Trust is a biggie here. How can you EVER trust a girl who's job is to lie, act and take money for sexual acts? It's SERIOUSLY a tough road to travel.
• dw.buck

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  14 years ago

  keep it all ITC, if you go OTC she will milk you. if you hapen to get your rocks off believe me it will be a quick, hard, lousy fuck just to get you off and get your money. stay ITC she still has to put the moves on you to get the cash, hte mystery and sexual play wil continue
• Slin

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  14 years ago

  Okay brothers, thanks again for all the replies (especially georgemicrodong who gets the award for post of the read) Here's my current plan which was formed while taking in all the comments made on this thread: 1. Go into club next week (won't be able to do so this week like originally planned because of other engagements) 2. Find girl and ask her if she wants to get a drink. Once this happens, I'll talk to her and try to read her a bit more and to also build rapport. 3. Get dances; at the end of the dances ask her what she is doing after wards and if she wants to meet up. If she says no, then that's the end of that and I'll be perfectly happy to just keep this as a "in club regular" relationship. If she agrees to meet up, then proceed to the next step. 4. If we meet up outside of the club, then that's the moment of truth. I'll ask her straight up what she is looking for. Depending on her response, we will proceed from there. Some things to keep in mind: - No GIFTS of any sorts to her unless we have already established what I will receive in return. No shoes, clothes, jewelery, etc. etc. The only money I will spend on her is on dances which brings me to my next point... - People have advised me not to purchase more dances because what she is hustling me to get more dances. Thing is, my typical style when I go to a strip club is to spend 90% of my money on a 3-4 girls that I know deliver good quality lap dances. If a girl dances good, then she'll keep my business without having to do any hustle. Even if this girl didn't pull all that SS (giving me her number, offering me a ride home) I would have continued to get dances from her during each subsequent visit just because her lap dances were so good. I have NO PROBLEM with having her as one of my regular dancers regardless of whether she is playing me or not. Another note, this girl has only been working there for 3 months and her behavior (giving out her real name and number) seems to be consistent with girls that are new to the job.
• Slin

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  14 years ago

  Oh btw, what would be a good cheap neutral place to pull her too if I do get lucky enough to be at that point? I'd prefer not to get a hotel room since they are expensive as hell in NYC. I heard that all night karaoke rooms are a good place since each room is private and are open 24 hours.
• steve229

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  14 years ago

  After perusing some of the long winded and rambling, er, I mean detailed and thoughtful responses, full of sturm und drang on the perils of OTC "relationships", I'm wondering if we're not reading too much into the post (or maybe projecting)? After all, he said he just wants to bang her.
• gatorfan

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  14 years ago

  Pussy is pussy.
• samsung1

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  14 years ago

  head over to Canada and hire a legal escort. Reasonably priced and no bullshit.
• Slin

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  14 years ago

  Okay boys, just returned from the club and here's what I have to report. Once I saw her at the club, she asked me what I haven't called. I told her that I did call and she gave me a confused look. She then asked if I had texted her. I told her I did and showed her the text I sent. She went through her inbox and found it and saw that she had forgotten to add me. She added me and sent me a quick text just to test out if it works. Later on we got a drink at the bar. There she talked about how she is working 6 times a week now (which a friend who gotten a dance before already told me) because apparently she lost a bunch of money on gambling and really needs money. She said once she isn't working so much, she's down to hang out. I didn't get the meet up afterward. I asked her if that offer for a ride home that she made on Saturday was still on the table. She said she didn't have to drive to work this night and that her cousin was driving her back. So yeah. Got some dances from her after wards...wasn't as intense as it was before she said she apparently got into hot water with management for being too freaky. I get ready to leave and she tells me to text her when I get home to let her know that I'm safe. So now I'm mostly sure that this is a hustle. Still, she's a good dancer so I'll still keep getting lap dances from her if I'm ever down there. Maybe I'll try for a meet up again in the future, who knows. Regardless, I'll enjoy the in club fantasy. Thanks to everyone gave advice.
• Slin

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  14 years ago

  Oh and random wtf comment #3 from her. While we were at the bar, she accidentally drank some of my water. She then said "Don't worry. I don't suck dick so it'll be safe for you to drink. (smile)" Uh okay. I responded by saying "Well I suck dick so you might be in trouble" lulz
• ulitimate1

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  14 years ago

  Man, you've got to keep us posted on this, I think I'm in the same(ish) situation except I'm the stupid guy who thinks it will turn into a relationship! Probably all just SS.
• Slin

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  14 years ago

  You should start a thread with the details.
• sinclair

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  14 years ago

  Let us know if you go back and see her again. It sounds like a hustle: she ignored your call and text. She just wants you to have her number so she can let you know when she is working.
• Slin

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  14 years ago

  She asked me why I didn't call when I first saw her. I said I did and she looked confused. She then asked if I had texted and I showed her the text I sent her. She dug through her inbox to look for it and found it. (During this time I actually was looking at her phone to see if I could see any messages in there that indicated that she was playing other guys but none of the messages I saw made sense without context). Apparently she forgot to add me. Who knows, maybe this is a hustle too. If she doesn't send any messages out about her schedule, would that mean this could be legit? Like I said, I'm leaning towards this being a hustle but I'll stay open. I don't mind paying for dances with her as a regular customer. I will never be buying gifts for her and what not though.
• georgmicrodong

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  14 years ago

  It's nearly always safe to assume that everything she says or does is part of a hustle. Doesn't mean you have to always overtly act like you think she's hustling you, of course, but if you keep that thought in the back of your mind at all times, you have a better chance of keeping yourself safe from it.
• sinclair

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  14 years ago

  I have had the same thing happen many times. It is a hustle. I've called/texted and got no answer. Then I went back to the club and called them out on it. They come up with excuses or claim they never got call/text. Trust me, all women in this age bracket are glued to their cellphones. They know you are calling but just don't care to answer unless you say something like, "What are your hours tonight, babe?"
• Dougster

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  14 years ago

  Slin: "How many guys have you said this to tonight?" She said "I only say it to some people, not everyone". Oh yeah, she's clearly off her rocker, a corn FLAKE girl who is FOS. Nevertheless, it hardly matters. Nearly all strippers will fuck for money, so why won't this one? Have fun!
• Slin

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  14 years ago

  Should I just text her something random and see if she responds? I'm thinking "Hey I'm eating an amazing pork sandwich right now. Thought you would like to know"
• troop

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  14 years ago

  sinclair says: It is a hustle. I've called/texted and got no answer. Then I went back to the club and called them out on it. They come up with excuses or claim they never got call/text. Trust me, all women in this age bracket are glued to their cellphones. They know you are calling but just don't care to answer unless you say something like, "What are your hours tonight, babe? ----------------------------- BINGO!
• vincemichaels

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  14 years ago

  Just another hustle from a flaky dancer. Have fun as you can.
• georgmicrodong

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  14 years ago

  Slin: Given her actions so far, I wouldn't text her at all. :) But if you must, wait until you want to find out if she's working, or to ask about meeting for "lunch".
• harrydave

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  14 years ago

  Giving up our fantasies about a girl we have not fucked is much harder than giving up the girl we have fucked. Why is that? LOL
• Slin

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  14 years ago

  Georgmicrodong: I know her schedule already so should I just show up during my next visit and then try to push for the OTC? I'm thinking asking if she is willing to meet up right after her shift. Asking for a later date just leads to flakiness and further leading on while asking to meet right after is "put up or shut up".
• bumrubber

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  14 years ago

  The world is full of hot women. Don't get too hung up on the ones who happen to be strippers. If you do want to fuck her, try pressing her limits ITC, and ask straight-up for OTC. Or ITC, if that's feasible. If you want to date her for real, you've probably already lost by being her customer.
• jackslash

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  14 years ago

  You seem to want OTC activity. That's OK but harder to arrange than ITC. I would try to get as much as I could in the club, provided the VIP room gives you privacy. Offer her $$ for a blow job, and if she does it, then the next time ask for FS. If she won't blow you in the club, she probably won't blow you outside either. Move on to another stripper who will give you what you want.
• georgmicrodong

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  14 years ago

  Slin: That sounds like a reasonable approach. Note that I believe she's already decided to lead you as far as she can without putting out, so I think whatever you do is a lost cause. However, I'm not there and I can't hear her voice or read her body language. Bottom line is you're either gonna get what you want, or you ain't. Either way, you learn something. Of course, you could PM me her name, club and schedule, and I could see what, if anything, works and let you know. :))
• Slin

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  14 years ago

  Hmmmmm...I realize you are joking but I am tempted to actually do that lol
• georgmicrodong

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  14 years ago

  It appears you're in NYC. You should send it to rickdugan. He might already know her! :)
• Slin

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  14 years ago

  Decided to randomly text her: Me: You getting crazy snow up in NYC too? Girl: Ya it's bad Me: hahah i'm driving around at like 10 mph...feel like a little old Asian lady Girl: lol About a hour later I sent: So how are things going with your right now And that's it...don't know if this means anything
• lookslong

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  14 years ago

  Slin, You and I fell for the exact same scam from the exact same lady. I knew it was Linda/Layla from Flash when you said Morrocan. She told me she's working 6 days a week because her Dad is sick and can't work and she's supporting the whole family. After 2 visits thinking the same thing you are thinking, I offered her $500 to spend the night with me, she declined. She did give me the greatest ld's of all time, that I will admit. And I'm not a kid, she's really good at the oldest game in the business " the stripper really digs me". She looked offended when I said that to her with a really big grin on my face. Sorry dude, it's a game
• georgmicrodong

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  14 years ago

  Slin: Yeah, it means you're hooked. Take a clue from your fellow fish above and rip that hook out now, before it gets embedded any deeper.
• Slin

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  14 years ago

  ...Damn! Well thanks a lot brother. Guess I'll just go back to enjoying the dances without having to worry about the other shit! Got any more stories regrading her? Maybe you can give write up a report like I did about your interactions with her...I'd imagine it would be helpful for all of us SC junkies on here.
• Slin

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  14 years ago

  Oh and feel free to PM me too if you want to talk about this more.
• Slin

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  14 years ago

  Actually might be better to post here so ppl can learn more...unless there's details that you don't want to share in public
• Prim0

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  14 years ago

  Should I just text her something random and see if she responds? I'm thinking "Hey I'm eating an amazing pork sandwich right now. Thought you would like to know" after..........I responded by saying "Well I suck dick so you might be in trouble" LOL.....you might have given of a gay vibe with these comments...just sayin!
• lookslong

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  14 years ago

  My Linda story: I'm at Flash during the shift change when they line up the night shift. She is in the front of the line, we make eye contact. As they do their walk on the stage she RUNS to me and kneels between my legs as I'm sitting in a chair along the bar. She is a total 10 and was really funny and engaging. We chatted for awhile and then over the next hour or so I got 3-4 of the greatest LD's of my life. She INSISTED that I put my finger in her as she moved her pussy all over my hand while keeping her eye on the bouncer. I was having a seriously great time when she said, " you really make me hot, my real name is linda let me give you my number." Frankly, at first I assumed she was playing me for tips but I was having the greatest time I've ever had in a SC and it was not needed on her part. She kept it up though and like you, I began to think it was real. So I left the club at around 1am and texted her and she texted back! "I'm too tired to meet you for breakfast, I've got a ton of stuff to do tommorrow". So I told her I'd let her know when I'd be in NY again. So a month later I sent her a text or 2 letting her know I'd be in town and I'd like to take her to dinner. No reply. The day I arrived in NY I texted again, no reply. So I said to myself, no big deal, you fell for her act and had a great time doing it. That night I went to Flash with no intent of looking for her. She saw me when she was dancing and acted like she didn't recognize me (which at the time I figured she proablly didn't recognize me) An hour later she "bumped" into me and acted surprised and we chatted for awhile. I called her out on not replying to my texts, reminded her that it was her idea. "So busy, really sorry, etc ,etc". Then we had some LD's. When I tried to put my finger inside her she was like "what are you doing?!" Okay, she still gives great LD's. So I dropped a few more 20's and called it a night. One really funny thing happened that night. While she was giving me a LD we overheard another girl using the same line on customer. You should have seen the look on Linda's face, it was soooo "bitch you're stealing my game". I knew what I needed to know, still love her LD's but her game makes me not want to see her although I still love Flash.
• lookslong

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  14 years ago

  Hey Slin, I have a great and somewhat creepy idea. I'll be in NYC in Jan. Let's go to Flash together and see what she does!
• Slin

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  14 years ago

  Hahahahahahaha...dude I was actually thinking about that. However, I actually still do want to get LDs from her (can't believe you got to finger her you bastard! lol) and I'm kinda afraid that if we do something like this it would = no more LDs from her. Even worse, I'm afraid this could to lead to some drama and her trying to get me kicked out of the club which would suck cause Flash in my regular hangout. That said, the potential for LOL is great and it'll make this story even funnier then it already is so I'll think about it.
• Slin

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  14 years ago

  Btw, what was her reaction when you called her out? What did you say to her and what did she say back?
• Slin

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  14 years ago

  Oh and I have an idea if we decide to head down together. We go into the club. You sit down at a table or at the bar while I go look for her. Once I find her, I'll get some dances. Upon getting done with those, I'll say "Hey I have a friend that I want to buy a dance for. Let me bring you to him." I'll bring her to where you are sitting and we can watch the fireworks unfold LOL
• shadowcat

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  14 years ago

  You two guys must have inadvertantly mistaken her for some that give a shit.
• lookslong

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  14 years ago

  Shadowcat makes a good point! I didn't confront her in a combative way. Flash is a great place and I find myself there a few times a year and I don't want any static. She is a hall of fame dancer I just never got the point of the game, I was spending money and having a ball. I couldn't believe it when I found this thread on the site. What are the odds of 2 people that troll around this site having the same experience with the same person. Especially since at Flash the average shift has 50 dancers. Long live Linda, a lady that gave 2 creepers the best SC experience of their lives!
• Slin

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  14 years ago

  I just wrote an article called "How I Got Played By A Stripper" and submitted it. One of the things I mentioned in the article was how pointless it was for her to run all that stripper game since her dances and cool attitude in the club was already enough for me to make her one of my regular girls (I tend to spend 90% of my strip club money on the same 3-4 girls that I know are quality) Well, I'll still be getting dances from her regardless. Now I can just enjoy them without having to waste any mental energy on wondering about what could be!
• Slin

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  14 years ago

  Oh and what was her reaction when you offered her $500 to ho herself out?
• Dougster

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  14 years ago

  Slin: "One of the things I mentioned in the article was how pointless it was for her to run all that stripper game since her dances and cool attitude in the club was already enough for me to make her one of my regular girls " Some girls only have one game and it's probably as much a power trip for them as it is an exercise in profit maximization.
• lookslong

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  14 years ago

  She declined the $500 saying she could make more in the VIP room. Her game isn't about money or she'd be making way more money OTC. I think she likes to be pursued and to Dougster's point, she's got the power now, not sure what value it has but anyhow. To all reading this you can't go wrong at Flash with Layla from Morocco, she's the best dancer in NYC.
• Slin

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  14 years ago

  Be sure to get most of your jollies off during the first time you meet her though! Cause that's the best you're going to get; she gets a bit more stingy later on if you back to her after wards. I think your theory makes sense. I remember her thanking me after the first time I got dances with her for giving her a chance. The 2nd time I saw her at the club she said something about how some guys don't want her because of the type of look she has or something (tattoos all over the place). I guess when she does find a guy that does actually dig her she likes to lead him on to get the thrill of being desired. I also remember her dancing on stage with a black girl once. There was a table of black guys that decided to make it rain for the black chick by tossing a huge stack of singles at her. Later on, Linda was bitching to me about how she was busting her ass on stage and getting nothing while that other girl was getting tons of bread for doing nothing.