Ok. I have been reading all of the posts on the forum and first of all, I am pissed I didn't know about this place before. Secondly, I am starting to get a tad Jealous of you guys. I have read stories about OTC and ITC but have never witnessed it. I don't know anyone personally that has either. I am not saying that I don't believe you guys, cause I do.. I just want to know HOW THE HELL!! I mean, I have read and still trying to figure out if you just magically hit it off, or if you just pay a lot more. I've read how much you guys spend a night and I almost spend that much but all I seem to get is a dancer that is only interested in my money. Which I don't blame them, because that's what they are they for. But, I'm not sure if I would know otherwise.. LOL..
LMAO.. You guys make it sound so simple.. Apparently I am choosing the wrong club and not bringing enough money. Hell, I'll be honest, I don't know what the fuck I am doing. lol.. I am having fun learning the process though. But I am sure if I had the right club, I'd have known it by now.
I've been relatively lucky; about half of the encounters I've had, which ended up in some form of sex, were initiated by the dancer. I was in the right club. The other half were the result of interacting with the dancers and trying to feel them out about it. I probably missed a few by being too cautious, but that still leaves me with plenty. Again, I was in the right club.
As for OTC specifically, IME a girl who will do it ITC will also do it OTC, as long as she thinks you're serious about it. She might even prefer it, since she wouldn't have to share the fee with the club.
There's no one right way to go about it. You can get some ideas for different general approaches for various scenarios by reading past discussions and articles on TUSCL, but ultimately you're going to have to go out and do your hunting.
Be careful, though. There are a number of pitfalls, including LE, ROBs and club management. Most of those are navigable with some care, though.
Interesting. You mention being a lawyer. We used a have a poster on here named chitownlawyer and he was an attorney. He hasn't posted for quite awhile but his last review was for PT's in Centreville.
I think you are shooting yourself in the foot for extras if you insist on taking your wife along. I have seen many couples getting private dances. The good dancers will give them both a good time but it ends there.
As for me, generally I rarely score the 1st time I meet and get dances from a stripper. You gotta establish a trust with them. And be a repeat customer. I am going through a dry spell. I know 2 that are sure things. The price for FS OTC has already been established at $150. I have the money and then some but have been cock blocking myself. An ex stripper has captured me. Yeah, gridget.
I don't know chitown lawyer... Tooo damn cold for me up there. My wife does go, but she lets me go into the LD room alone. I did get two songs for one on a saturday night but that was the extent of any extra..
Shadowcat, agree with the wife comment. Even though my wife knows what I'm about when I go out, she doesn't want to know about any given incident, or watch, or, thus far anyway, participate herself. And when she's along, the dancers seem to have a rule about paying more attention to her than me. Not that I complain too much about that, of course. :)
easier said than done of course, but that's the key.
i have to disagree with the comment though that a girl that is willing itc will be willing otc. i'm sure many will but i've had conversations with some that have insisted that what they do in the club stays in the club and will not be repeated anywhere else. sure it doesn't make sense but since when did strippers ever make sense.. lol
Also keep in mind that it can vary by city. Getting extras in Houston or Detroit is easier than some other cities. Also going during the dayshift rather than the night shift can be better for extras. There are less bouncers working and the business is typically slower. At night time, especially on the weekends, chances of getting extras decreases. Again it is always YMMV but city and time of visit cane make a difference.
troop, I should have said "most"; I have been turned down, based on boyfriends potentially finding out, LE stings, etc, but it's been less than 10% of the time. Maybe even less than that, now I think about it.
ITC and OTC isn't my thing, but lately (last six months or so) one or the other has been offered to me during almost every SC visit. And I'm by no means a regular at any club, don't have ATFs, am not fabulously good looking, etc. If that's what you are looking for, I would second the suggestion to leave your wife at home.
You may be going to the VIP alone but the dancer has your wife looking over her shoulder, so to say.
Next time try a little finger banging. The best way to try this is when she's facing away. You can 'ask' for this by sliding your hand into her g-string, only to the first joint. She'll either tap or move your hand or you will soon know what her kitty feels like.
If you get the stinky pinky, feel free to ask, "what else is on the menu?" Be sure to ask prices before enjoying your entree.
I must have not read far enough in the PT's Centreville reviews. I didn't go back to far and only read one comment about extras.. I would leave the wife at home but she loves it more than I do.. Hell, she'd like some extras too.. lol
fun, in your own review you mentioned that you saw girls giving head to a dancer. I also read some of the other reviews. I agree with Philip that there was probably plenty on the menu if you know how to shop.
Step 0 - leave your wife at home.
After that I agree with the steps 1-5 above. While PH is right that enough money trumps 2-4, I think you will find that 2-4 will bring more dancers by you to begin with and this is sometimes a game of chance.
Rick, Yup I did mention that I saw girls giving a dancer head, however, there are two problems with that.. 1, I want a dancer to do that to me, 2 I am not a female and females play by a whole different set of rules. lol oh well. Thanks for the tips and wish me luck..
fun, if you insist on taking your wife along on an "extras" hunting trip, then make *damn* sure she's OK with what you want. The tactic I've chosen to employ, though it hasn't panned out yet, is to let her get hers first, then politely inquire "my turn?" 'Course, if she reads this, which she sometimes does, then the jig is up, but, hey, it's not like I've made any secret of my desire in this regard. :)
Not being afraid to ask the dancer is very helpful in getting what you want-nothing ventured, nothing gained as they say.
I have experienced ITC 3 times and the 3rd time being the best but it still seems rushed unlike OTC where you can take your time and be a lot more comfortable.
Some of my OTCs have been at the dancer's place and some have been at a motel where I paid for the room. For my next OTC, the dancer has offered to split the cost of the room-I will deduct the amount from her fee.
Did I read right that OTC sometimes costs as little as 150? Sorry to be asking soo many questions, but I am intrigued, jealous and ignorant at the same time..
fun, I understand that it was girl on girl, but even that doesn't happen in very tight clubs. Also, read between the lines of the other reviews for that club and i think that you will see what I mean.
As far as $150, not likely in most places. Maybe in Houston and some other parts of the deep south, but you should expect to pay between $250 to $300 to take a stripper out of a club. Like I always say, a good gauge IMHO is to go on Craigs List (generally low) and Eros (generally high), add the common hourly rates from each place and divide by two. This method has worked for me in several cities.
Yes, I said $150 and Shekitout can verify that. He has the same offer from one of them. I have done it for as little as $100 but she only made $80 because she had to pay her brother (I know it wasn't stripper shit. She had introduced me to him twice) $20 to leave the hotel room so that we could be alone.
fun, depends on the girl, and what you're getting. I've paid as little as $35 for oral in the back of a dancer's car in a Wal-Mart parking lot, and as much as $2,500 for a weekend filled with almost everything you can imagine with a couple of hotties (though not at the same time) in a fancy hotel. Again, there's no hard and fast rules about this sort of thing; there's too many variables.
shadow and georg, you are in SC/GA and Kentucky, no?
In both of those places I would readily agree that $150 can get it done, but you are both in blessed areas from that perspective. That is why I love SC so damned much ;) Hell, even ITC is much cheaper there.
Fun's only post is from IL, and there is very little chance IMHO that $150 gets it done there.
Rick, KY yes, and I know how lucky I am here. However, I've found ITC to be *more* expensive in some cases, because the club's cut is high enough the dancer has to get enough to make it worthwhile. It's why I seldom go back to ITC with a girl once we've started OTC; it's generally cheaper for me and more profitable for her. $150 is about average for what I've paid for full service. Most of the clubs charge that much just for an area that I consider private enough for that. I'm shy, others might have more tolerance for more observable activity.
Becoming a regular, but not a PL, will help build trust with some dancers. Use condoms no matter what. Check the repuation of the club, if you can. Some are so careless that a raid is inevitable. You don't want to get caught in that. Keep the wife out of this. It changes the odds against you. Remember a .350 batting average makes you champ.
Like Rick said, Leave the wife at home, you won't find many strippers looking for 3 ways with you and mrs funluvn. Picking the right club, comfy situation for the stripper, and plenty will go along for the ride.
Shit like this isn't anything new, but I'm sure the economy is a factor in the greater willingness the last 2 years.
I find it hard to believe that being cool or well dressed makes any difference in any of this. My guess is it would only do so in an indirect way, by implying you have the social savvy not to be a sucker who can be "played" for more by leading on and not putting out than by simply putting out. If you can convince the girl that you cannot be played via other methods I doubt your coolness or manner of dress matters, so I won't worry about it.
One thing that should help in avoiding putting out the "sucker" vibe is knowing that nearly all girls will do OTC, especially the good looking ones for whatever reason. This is especially true if they know you will instantly move on to one who will if they don't.
Sammy, I have no idea why anyone would trip across the Ambassador or trek the Tunnel for an escort when there are 50 clubs in the 313 with way too much mileage for way too little. Leave your birth certificate <insert Obama joke here> at home and enjoy the D.
Some strippers want to make sure you are not LE. Be politely aggressive at first. Gently move your hands to places where LE are less likely to put them. Even if she moves your hands away, she may be doing that to avoid management trouble. She now knows you are a player. If she's interested in making more money, she usually asks leading questions. "Would you like my number so that you will know what hours I'm working next week?" "What hotel are you staying at?" which is followed by, "I go right past there after work."
On the rare occasions I've gotten ITC (and I've never yet gotten OTC, although it was offered by a couple dancers who never followed up), it's been at the suggestion of the dancer. And it seems more related to the club's policies (or lack thereof) and a given dancer's willingness to go the extra mile.
In a couple cases, the girl was just straight up, telling me if we go to VIP, she'll suck/fuck me. Of course, the $ were high - in the $300 range, by the time you add in club charges, drinks, bouncer tip. At those prices, I'd rather go to an escort or an AMP, because you can relax and take your time. In a couple other instances, I didn't know until we were already back in the VIP, and the girl takes out Mr. Happy and proceeds with a HJ.
In all cases, I've never requested anything, and there have been a number of times I've turned down some very promising and suggestive offers from dancers about what could happen in the VIP. As I mentioned at the top, ITC extras seem more likely at certain clubs, and then there are other clubs where nothing ever happens beyond the standard air dance and the bouncer sticking his nose in every five minutes and saying, "watch those hands, buddy."
All but a few of my ITC/OTC offers were made by the dancer(s). Your odds will improve if you are a club regular, rather than just passing thru. ITC in a new club is a crapshoot, since you don't know the dancers.
OTC fun is most always a result of considerable time & money invested in the dancer. Can be pricey, but the payoff is most often worth it.
lopaw: "OTC fun is most always a result of considerable time & money invested in the dancer. Can be pricey, but the payoff is most often worth it."
More idiocy from lopaw. You should be able to get dancers who do do OTC to agree to the first or second time you meet them, and without having to buy many dances either. Not sure what that crazed man-hating lesbian has been smoking when she comes up with this B.S.
If a dancer wants to get you in bed or put part of you in her I will have to agree that most dancers let me know that fairly fast upon meeting them. I had at least 2 dancers not even introduce themselves but attempt to take me to their house. They asked. They didn't physically try to drag me anywhere. Now if they had been Korean dancers, I wouldn't put it past them to try to physically grab and pull me somewhere. I have had Korean girls force me into their clubs when I only wanted to visit a nearby strip club.
About 10% of the girls are open for FS OTC. I've arranged it on first contact with a few. The most likely participants are black girls, followed by southeast Asian, then whites, then north Asian.
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Step 3: Dress well. Have good grooming.
Step 4: Make your intentions known.
Setp 5: Bring money. Truthfully, this step can eliminate steps 2-4.
I've been relatively lucky; about half of the encounters I've had, which ended up in some form of sex, were initiated by the dancer. I was in the right club. The other half were the result of interacting with the dancers and trying to feel them out about it. I probably missed a few by being too cautious, but that still leaves me with plenty. Again, I was in the right club.
As for OTC specifically, IME a girl who will do it ITC will also do it OTC, as long as she thinks you're serious about it. She might even prefer it, since she wouldn't have to share the fee with the club.
There's no one right way to go about it. You can get some ideas for different general approaches for various scenarios by reading past discussions and articles on TUSCL, but ultimately you're going to have to go out and do your hunting.
Be careful, though. There are a number of pitfalls, including LE, ROBs and club management. Most of those are navigable with some care, though.
I think you are shooting yourself in the foot for extras if you insist on taking your wife along. I have seen many couples getting private dances. The good dancers will give them both a good time but it ends there.
As for me, generally I rarely score the 1st time I meet and get dances from a stripper. You gotta establish a trust with them. And be a repeat customer. I am going through a dry spell. I know 2 that are sure things. The price for FS OTC has already been established at $150. I have the money and then some but have been cock blocking myself. An ex stripper has captured me. Yeah, gridget.
easier said than done of course, but that's the key.
i have to disagree with the comment though that a girl that is willing itc will be willing otc. i'm sure many will but i've had conversations with some that have insisted that what they do in the club stays in the club and will not be repeated anywhere else. sure it doesn't make sense but since when did strippers ever make sense.. lol
Next time try a little finger banging. The best way to try this is when she's facing away. You can 'ask' for this by sliding your hand into her g-string, only to the first joint. She'll either tap or move your hand or you will soon know what her kitty feels like.
If you get the stinky pinky, feel free to ask, "what else is on the menu?" Be sure to ask prices before enjoying your entree.
Wanna dance?
What's available?
Step 0 - leave your wife at home.
After that I agree with the steps 1-5 above. While PH is right that enough money trumps 2-4, I think you will find that 2-4 will bring more dancers by you to begin with and this is sometimes a game of chance.
Good luck!
I have experienced ITC 3 times and the 3rd time being the best but it still seems rushed unlike OTC where you can take your time and be a lot more comfortable.
Some of my OTCs have been at the dancer's place and some have been at a motel where I paid for the room. For my next OTC, the dancer has offered to split the cost of the room-I will deduct the amount from her fee.
As far as $150, not likely in most places. Maybe in Houston and some other parts of the deep south, but you should expect to pay between $250 to $300 to take a stripper out of a club. Like I always say, a good gauge IMHO is to go on Craigs List (generally low) and Eros (generally high), add the common hourly rates from each place and divide by two. This method has worked for me in several cities.
In both of those places I would readily agree that $150 can get it done, but you are both in blessed areas from that perspective. That is why I love SC so damned much ;) Hell, even ITC is much cheaper there.
Fun's only post is from IL, and there is very little chance IMHO that $150 gets it done there.
Shit like this isn't anything new, but I'm sure the economy is a factor in the greater willingness the last 2 years.
One thing that should help in avoiding putting out the "sucker" vibe is knowing that nearly all girls will do OTC, especially the good looking ones for whatever reason. This is especially true if they know you will instantly move on to one who will if they don't.
On the rare occasions I've gotten ITC (and I've never yet gotten OTC, although it was offered by a couple dancers who never followed up), it's been at the suggestion of the dancer. And it seems more related to the club's policies (or lack thereof) and a given dancer's willingness to go the extra mile.
In a couple cases, the girl was just straight up, telling me if we go to VIP, she'll suck/fuck me. Of course, the $ were high - in the $300 range, by the time you add in club charges, drinks, bouncer tip. At those prices, I'd rather go to an escort or an AMP, because you can relax and take your time. In a couple other instances, I didn't know until we were already back in the VIP, and the girl takes out Mr. Happy and proceeds with a HJ.
In all cases, I've never requested anything, and there have been a number of times I've turned down some very promising and suggestive offers from dancers about what could happen in the VIP. As I mentioned at the top, ITC extras seem more likely at certain clubs, and then there are other clubs where nothing ever happens beyond the standard air dance and the bouncer sticking his nose in every five minutes and saying, "watch those hands, buddy."
OTC fun is most always a result of considerable time & money invested in the dancer. Can be pricey, but the payoff is most often worth it.
More idiocy from lopaw. You should be able to get dancers who do do OTC to agree to the first or second time you meet them, and without having to buy many dances either. Not sure what that crazed man-hating lesbian has been smoking when she comes up with this B.S.