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I wanted to make an article about Sugar Daddy life and my experiences on seeking.com. There are other sugar websites but that is the most popular one by far. Before this used to be something as secondary form of mongering as a side hustle to the primary of strip clubbing for me. In the Tri State market based around New York City which is NY/NJ/CT, which might arguably be the one of the healthiest sugar markets along with Southern California's, it has become my primary form of mongering due to some very expensive ITC environments that make it just way more cost efficient not having to deal with all that overhead and regulation the clubs try to put you through. Nope after $90 a month to use the website the rest can go straight to the girl. I have found that at the end of the day this has saved me money, even if you have to do a little overspending here and there to get what you want. When you have some VIP's in the city nearing a grand just for a half hour, you start think about other avenues to pursue really quickly. Now with the COVID-19 it has become the only route for me so I thought we should dive in. I wouldn't say this is a guide, I don't pretend to have all the answers. It's just kind of stuff I've done and what I've seen and experienced. I think the more we share, the more we can learn and improve our game. I say all this to give me plausible deniability for when things inevitable go horribly wrong.

M A R K E T

-A lot of you experience is going to be dictated by where you are. The prices, the girls, activity overall. In smaller cities, you might have maybe only 20 or so girls logged in that day. In places like LA/NY you can have 1000 results of girls who are logged just at that moment. I think if your in a bigger area with a lot of people in a 50 mile radius or so, it's worth it, you'll have thousands of girls to be able to chat with almost like one gigantic online take out only strip club. So if I'm asked would you prefer strip clubs or the sugar scene, my answer would really depend on where I am. Price wise per meet, and this is talking girls I personally think are attractive, not just anyone... LA/NY I feel 250-300 is a solid starting point, 400 is a strong offer and 500/600 is gotta have it. There will be girls in those places wanting way more and you just may take them there but those numbers I feel is keeping everything within reason. I see that SBs tend to get offended under 250. In smaller cities, like Tucson, El Paso, San Antonio I feel you can take that scale down a notch to 200/300/400. In El Paso I was getting away with offering 100-200 and even getting away with it. Rural who knows, you might just be the only SD in the area so you can probably literally set the market.

-Also note being in a college town is always going to be a huge plus no matter where that school is.

P R O F I L E

-I made mine real simple. I try'd to put some humor on there, that's kind of who I am anyway, I'm not super serious dude. I'm not some photo whore either, and I'm not writing my whole life story on there. I'm not posing with Ferraris or on a yacht or all that stuff. I'm working to try to adapt maybe but I'm just having a hard time being that much douchebag, I just can't bring myself to do things like that even if it may bring me more success.

-I think a lot of girls on there are searching for a complete and drastic lifestyle overhaul, which I'll be honest I just can't do. (Ethiopian girls you can just skip ahead) So I'll been called a "Phony Sugar Daddy" by my peers. However I take great offense to the term, I prefer "Sugar Daddy Starter Kit" or "Bargain Bin Special" or even "Weed Money." I take great pride in knowing that hot girls can never truly hit rock bottom because I'll be right there waiting to catch them.

S E A R C H I N G

-During this Corona season a ton of "online only until quarantine is over then maybe we can meet" Yeah ok. I would add although the amount of hot girls on there is crazy right now, it's an oasis man, now is probably one of the worst times on seeking for meetups, that being said I have still had a few meet ups in the last couple months.

-A lot of profiles who in their bio they *already* yelling at you. It's amazing how girls could think this is attractive in anyway. They may have had bad experiences but to take that out on potential SD's who you never met before is probably a horrible idea. I go nowhere near this stuff.

-A lot of profiles have the same tagline "Lovley whirlwhind draped in lace" "Talk to me nice" "Here for a good time not a long time" and others. Not that it matters but I wonder if they all know a lot of them have the same shit. Just an observation

-The "Get in line boys!" type bio. I just can't stand how much this country has devolved.

-Profile with just feet pics. I don't get it either

-Girls with massive GPS. Just give me money because I exist.

-No hiring manager here, so ANYBODY can be on there so you can have a wide range looks including some people that yes even YOU would never ever ever ever never ever even pay for.

-If the market is big enough, might be a good idea to use some filters based on what your feeling that week. Ethnicity, age, unviewed and mileage radius are common ones I'll use to narrow it. So I might go Latina, 18-31, unviewed, 50 miles within New York, NY and that might at least let me see a few hours back.

S C A M M E R S

-I haven't seen any too elaborate. What I've encountered is we trade numbers. Usually scammers will ask to do so almost immediately. What they then do is promise to meet as long as you send money first to show your "for real" This is something I've encountered multiple times. It's usually from a new profile too. Obviously never send money to somebody you've never met before.

-Usually if there’s a lot of stuff in their profile the chances are way higher they are a real person. The fake profiles have very nice professional photos with very little in their bio/what they are seeking.

M E S S A G I N G

-I set my search page to the most results that can fit on there 100. Out of 100 girls I might message like 2 or 3. I tend to be very picky, why not with so many options. I'll do this for a few pages a day. About half don't even get back to me, of those that do respond some are going to be scam nonsense, some are gonna not even live in the area, some are asking for way way way too much, some just want online only, it ends up being very few who actually want to meet up. Then of those about half will flake in some way. So in all not a ton of meetups although like I said I'm setting in the bar somewhat high, if you just want to meet with anyone I'm sure it would be very easy. As far as the actual messages go, I'm always tweaking it, but I usually the first message I introduce myself and ask how they are doing, if I can find away to maybe personalize, make it funny I will, however a lot of girls don't give you much to work with anyway. She'll respond (sometimes) and then I'll come up with what I want whatever kind of arrangement I was looking for. Go out get drinks, etc. and I usually do XXX for allowance what about you? I was listening to Chris Voss he's some FBI negotiator, and basically what he says it get the person on the other side to say "that's right" aka have some common ground. So I try paint the picture of an easy, stress free, no pressure just fun kind of arrangement that I think both parties would enjoy. It's not like I'm negotiating with Mark Cuban here either, most of these girls just want money for their hair and nails anyway.

-Once you introduce yourself, and have some back and forth, I would move the conversation to another platform. Text if possible. If they give their real you can facetime, that has always gone well for me, in terms of screening out or getting to know to each other so much better. Other routes are WhatsApp (good for talking to girls in another country like Mexico), Kik, Snapchat (Photos and messages don't get saved on there, so a lot girls prefer it) and even Instagram you might get referred too. I would consider getting these apps, I know they may sound kiddie, but this is the world that 20 something girls live in, so just jump in, it'll end up giving you some unique opportunities that you wouldn't of otherwise had. And so now you can your conversations unmonitored by Seeking.com. If you get too graphic or out of line on there you could possibly risk getting banned. It hasn't happened to me yet, but try not risk anything and keep things PG-13 at least until you get off there.

-A lot of these girls won't message back even the first time or you might lose them in your convo (was it something I said???) in these cases honestly there's no harm in circling back around if it's something your interested in. I've had some degree of success with that too. Maybe up the offer a little bit or just go more into detail whatever. I wouldn't right away however, maybe after a couple weeks or so. Nothing to lose.

-Be sure to check out Subraman's article on the same thing https://tuscl.net/article.php?id=50497
After reading that article I decided to jump on the Sugar Daddy bandwagon and made an account. One thing I stole from him, is coming up with the price first that I'm comfortable with. You set the framework on that and present it too them. Unless you don't give a shit and just curious to hear what they have to say then ask what they want, I am definitely guilty of doing that too.

-It's a big numbers game. Just keep pumping out messages and see what sticks to the wall. Fire and forget mentality.

M E E T U P S

-The first meetup I had was with a 19 year old UTEP student on El Paso's west side. She claimed she was a model, and had really hot pictures so I was down. $250 PPM. I go and meet this girl at a CVS parking lot and damn believe it or not she looked as hot as the pictures. I actually showed up in a white suit looking like a knockoff Sonny Crockett she must've been like "woah wtf!" I took this girl out to eat at a nice ass restaurant, Avila's great enchiladas if your ever there and all goes well. Then I get her back to my place and Oh man when this girl got naked and bent over, just a perfect tight body. She also said her family doesn't believe in condoms! Can I get Hell Yeah! (although my dick does burn when I piss since then now that I mention it, I kid I kid) I thought to myself this stuff might just beat out the strip clubs, which is usually blasphemy but no it was really great. This is a wonderful thing I thought to myself. At first I thought the $90 was steep but not after shit like that. That girl was a good one who I would see a few times after.

-I don't have too many horror stories so far but one awkward time I did have was one ok girl by pictures was messaging me to see if I was interested. I wasn't really feeling it so I super lowballed, "I only got 50 rn" She said sure. So I went over. She was more ehhh than ok when I went over to her place. And she didn't want me to use her bathroom so I went outside and pee'd in the front yard bush. I just wasn't feeling it all, so we agreed I'll just jerk off in her face and be done with it. I don't know either.

-A girl also from EP, cutie that rare busty/petite, she would have me come over when her family wasn't home and just fuck for a while. She didn't have a job, but always needed her nails done so I guess that's where I came in. One time I didn't have the 150 available for spending money that we usually did so she just wanted 60 to hang because she broke a nail, how could I say no. That became a true FWB situation that was so great for relieving stress when you need it. This is the kind of relationship I sort of shoot for on there.


-One girl in San Antonio I just fucked the shit out of. Believe it or not said next time we can hang for free. It sounds unbelievable I know but yeah sometimes when do a really great job in bed, you might just get coupons. (the offer was rescinded a month later, but for the sake of the story and making me sound cool lets just go with it. If I hit her up a couple days later I woulda gotten a great deal I'm tellin ya) Same with some Puerto Rican girl in the Bronx. Very loud, rough sex. She never had sex like that before. I don't have to pay anymore with that one either. The point here I'm trying to make is not to brag, but if the sexual chemistry is there, good things can happen. Some of these girls aren't strippers, they are not professionals, and so they tend to be a little greener in some areas and to me that's pro not a con. Somebody from the sex industry in that situation might've just yelled "Next!" There is also the other side of the coin where the SB is not so enthralled between the sheets. With that expect the flake rate to go up and don't expect anything off (probably the other way even) if there is even a next adventure. This probably all goes without saying so I really don't even know why typed it out.

-Strip clubs and SB's can and often overlap. I was talking to an SB in San Francisco. Blonde stunner. Easy to tell she was a stripper. As I was club hopping one night, yup there she was. I went up to her and said hey I think I know you from this site, all that stuff. Her number to meet up was not unreasonable for how hot she was but she did start saying something about her period and maybe next week, I just didn't have the time to do that and it might've been SS anyway.

-I was strip clubbing in Tucson, not to thrilled with the clubs that day and had been messaging with an SB that weekend. I said fuck the clubs and asked if she wanted to hang around 1 or 2. Didn't hear anything back for a couple hours so I said fuck it and headed back to El Paso. I made it about half way. 2 hour drive when this girl got back to me. She was so cute, my dick said we are turning this ship around right now and so we did. 2 hours back. And then after I drove back home. I turned a 4 hour trip into an 8 hour trip and who knows what in gas with one simple erection.

-Sometimes there is a lot of fear of law enforcement. Some chick in Phoenix with her also hot roommate. I was at her apartment. I forgot my case of beer in the car so I ran to go get it. I returned to girl in tears and scarred for her life, she thought I was some undercover going to get the swat or some shit she was explaining to me. I settled her down and no I didn't get roommate too.

-A recent SB from Queens just wanted to be with me. Really pretty GND Latina that's looking for help paying off college This is truly the GFE, very close to a girlfriend, on her end she gets money, and on my end I don't have any commitment/maintenance but when we hang out it's all fun. This is when it gets good, something that works so well for both people. When I'm full of stress and sick of work this girl brings me joy.

-I also love how it forces you travel to all sorts of neighborhoods to meet up. In the New York City area alone I've met with 1 in Brooklyn, 1 in the Bronx, 1 in Manhattan, 2 in Queens, 1 in Long Island and 2 in Jersey. The first I met in Jersey was too much of an escort type experience, the girl was pretty and had a nice rack but it just left bad taste in my mouth. I went and met up with another girl I was talking too the same night, in West New York a place in Jersey I had never been too. Really cool neighborhood I thought and this Columbian girl I met up with was gorgeous and the sex was great. A lot of money was lost that night, but I ended up finding a good thing, and turns into a whole adventure that takes you to all these new places and new people.

-Those and there are plenty more were usually good for me. By the time they've all been through that filtering process it's not too bad. I would say my main issues are SB's trying rush shit, and maybe running into bad sex sometimes.

-I'm more than open to unpaid meet and greets. I've done a few of them, I take the tab on the food obviously but it's all good I think it's can be great opportunity if I got the free time, and it's fun to me. From my experience though most girls don't want to get all ready, go out and not get this money so they usually would just rather text back and forth, just get comfortable that way then they are usually ready to roll.

-Welcome to Flake City. Reliability is not really a thing. Even your most reliable girl is about as reliable as '71 Chevy Vega. Regular shit 'round these parts.

S U M M A R Y

I've had great experiences on Seeking personally and definitely recommend it. A lot bullshit to wade through but with persistence it can definitely be worth it. It's not necessarily an escort thing either. When I'm on the road alone, or all my buddies are working, I honestly would love hang out and do fun stuff. Go out to a movie, go out to a cool food spot, bowling, hiking, arcade whatever you name it. I do a lot of stuff alone, it's nice to have somebody you can connect with, have fun with and not have to commit to forever and ever. And of course fuck the bejesus out of them and make them your sex slave for the night MUHUHAHAHA!!!!! When I line up OTC's from strip clubs and SB's (both whoop the civie girls I've had ass's easily btw in sexiness) I would give the edge to the SB's because IME it's much easier and less expensive than to try to pluck one of the hottest girls out of a given club that you have never met before. Look at the end of the day I'm not Richard Gere, but if you'd be willing to drink enough Captain Morgan and squint a little, I kind of seem like him somewhat and that's sort of what I have all my hopes riding on.

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