The State of Mongering in Tijuana - Election Edition: Part I

Zona Norte is not the only place with whorehouses

So one pays the HK girls in pesos or do they want dollars? Most of the reviews I read the reviewer states e.g, "I paid her 100 dollars to go arriba", I have not read of reviewers stating they paid her 'X' pesos

i asked the girl pesos or dollar. she was ok with pesos. saved me a lil bit.

So do you offer pesos or dollars, and which do most of them prefer? And is this on the street?

Still waiting to get validated for TJAmigos. Can't read threads or see their photo gallery yet. Looks to be very street oriented.

I do not personally know of anywhere else on earth where you can just walk down from your hotel room and have a huge selection of girls you can just walk back up the stairs with you, and without the need for her to change her clothes or stripper shoes.

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I have only seen one TUSCLer admitting to seasoning with a TJ Street Girl, and he has declined to give any further details.

SJG

i've had four street girls. about a year to 1.5 years ago. it was nice... butt all business. wham bam thank you mamm. hk girls (and some ab girls) are much more willing to linger after the deed is done... love the afterglow. in general pesos are better.

Yes, others have posted about the HK Bar girls being more willing to linger.

I suspect two reasons why street girls usually aren't and stick strictly to time is money:

1. Rate is lower to start with.
2. Trying to keep regular hours, make money within a time window. Whereas maybe HK Bar girls work around the clock for their entire stint. So they can always look forward to making more money off of the next customer, as there is no closing time. And so as they need rest breaks and sleep time anyway, why not with you.

Do the street girls seem to have a closing time, like for the day crew, like they go home, maybe to be with their kids? Or do they seem to stay in the zona overnight, like bedding down with a customer?

I would think that wanting to manage their own time and be their own bosses is one of the main reasons they go for the street instead of the clubs.

Do they look good, some of the street girls?

Sounds like there are lots of freelancers, like meaning unlicensed, and maybe some American's in there too.

I would presume that if you are nice to a girl and talk to her some and offer to take her to lunch and give her the money she wants, then she will be happy to spend time with you.

Thanks for the info. SJG

All of TJ will take dollars or pesos. As a yank, you will get better rates when exchanging to pesos. Every cash register in TJ has both pesos and usd, so the industry is used to accommodating.

The local girls go home to rest. The out of town girls rent rooms in la zona. Many hotels (Cascadas included) have lockers that street girls rent for the day to leave their money and spare outfits.

Some of the street girls look like 18 year old shakira. Some guys go through decompression after Burning Man. I go through withdrawals after coming back from TJ.

As for post coital intimacy, I have had far better experience with non-HK girls. I have had lingering conversations after the act or offers of non-paid dates from girls from DG, Tropical, Adelitas, Valentina, and several street girls. This has never happened with a girl from HK. I recognize that these ladies were probably looking for a guy to treat them like a princess or perhaps husband hunting. I know I'm not not some handsome lady killer. Still, the illusion is part of TJ's allure.

100ber, thank you for that account!

That Cascadas, sounds awesome. Great rooms, food, and street girls in front and behind, and then the two clubs.

So can you just go and check into a Cascadas room and then find your girl? Or do you need to find the girl first and then see what hotel she is using?

Yes of course they are husband hunting. That is just how it goes. And if you take them up on that date, you can still pay them politely.

I think it easier to get to know a girl without loud music or flashing lights, and without alcohol.

If you want toda la noche with a girl, better to rent room, or maybe plan to use her room?

Thanks, SJG

Where does one get pesos in TJ; local banks? Do US cell phones and ATM cards work in TJ?

You can get a room in advance for the night then head down to the club or street. Or you can pick a girl and then go to either entrance to get a room for 30 minutes or the night. If it's a Mon, Tue, Fri, or Sat night, Cascadas' rooms get booked up early. I would highly recommend making a reservation via the website ahead of time for the busier nights of the week. If Cascadas is full, Riso de Oro (across the street next to Tropical Bar) usually has a room for less. But it'll be a slightly longer walk when inebriated.

While street girls are not really bound to go to a specific hotels, many club girls can only go to certain hotels affiliated with their club. Tropical Bar, HK, and Las Chavelas girls can go to Cascadas or Riso de Oro. Adelitas girls can only go to Hotel Coahuila. Most other clubs have an adjacent hotel but you can pay a salidas fee to take them to most other hotels within half a block.

Some locals (from San Diego) we were chatting with claimed to have gone through relationships with multiple club girls over the years. If you are the use 'em and leave 'em type, this is a great town to leave near. I would not really want to visit a TJ girl's home out of safety concerns. That's like going with a sociopath to their second location.

There are multiple cambios all over town. They usually look like a reinforced bank teller window with an electronic sign out front with the posted buy/sell rates for the day. There are 5 or more within 1 block of HK. If you go to Revolucion (touristy road south of zona norte) or beyond, sometime the rates are slightly more favorable. On the weekend I went, most cambios in zona norte were offering in the neighborhood of 18.35 pesos to the dollar while some elsewhere in the city were offering as much as 18.6 pesos. A huge difference if you're looking to change a couple hundred USD.

ATM and credit cards all work in Mexico. I would recommend putting a travel alert on your bank card/account so that you don't have random freezes. ATMs are everywhere and other monger reports claim that they are safe due to the industry not wanted to get a bad rep. Your bank may process an international surcharge.

As far as phones go, that all depends on your carrier and plan. One person in our party had AT&T and was fine. One had been promised that his MetroPCS would work on arrival, but had to contact customer service to get the Mexico service activated (free of charge) in order to get data. Two had Sprint and Simple Mobile and could not get service for the duration of our trip. For those in doubt, I had recommended in a previous review that everyone simply grab a Telcel (or Movistar) prepaid SIM in San Ysidro right before crossing over.

cascadia has wi fi. you have to be in close to the front of the club or in the hotel near the front for service. i think password is cascadia2000. my verizon service sucks.

"But it'll be a slightly longer walk when inebriated."

I don't drink, but I like to keep girls in the very highest of heels. So distance is important.

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Street girls not bound to hotels, thanks for that info. It corrects some earlier misinformation. That is really good to know.

But club girls usually are bound. Again, that is a big plus for street girls!

Not want to visit a TJ girls home, going with a sociopath? I'll be careful and take things one step at a time.

Thanks for the info.

SJG

Do you think most of the day time street girls need to be home by a certain time, like to take care of kids, or are they free for toda la noche, if they are getting along with a guy?

I read other sites and I am surprised by the low prices. I'll pay them better than that.

SJG

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Each street girl will have different circumstances. Some will be up for toda la niche, some may have familial obligations. Some might be accustomed to doing a 15 minute passionate romp but don't trust being alone with a guy on a bender for more than an hour.

I will say that I have witnessed Asian guys being offered non-paid dates by not only bar girls but street girls as well. The one black guy in our group last trip NEVER got offered a date. Sorry, it's true.

As for the pricing, know that the average annual income for a Mexican household is under the equivalent of 13,000 usd per year. So a couple hundred pesos per 15 minutes is a good deal of money for those with limited alternative financial prospects. Many girls do month long stints twice a year in zona norte and spend the rest of the year in their home town.

^^^^ Interesting. It does go along with my thinking that these are still basically very ordinary girls. And that is how I treat all women anyway. I'll exert due caution when there with them. But I will also present myself in an open and respectful way.

Escorts of Mexico says that they are up for toda la noche and quite reasonable about it. Like maybe pay for the hotel and double the un ratito fee. But the issue is you have to get to them too late at night, like about 4am. They know they have to sleep somewhere, so why not.

I wouldn't want to do that, be approaching street hookers that late at night. But I can see how ones encountered that late probably are free of immediate responsibilities.

I'd rather set up toda la noche after a basic session and some food. And the basic session would not be 15 min, one hour minimum.

And I would always be paying them well, not trying to squeeze them, instead wanting to make them happy and show care and concern.

Thanks for the important info!

SJG

damn sjguy. you need to just go. stop putting it off. take 2days and drive to san ysidro. spend one night in zona norte. it will be awesome. let me know and i'll show you around. then drive back to san jose. i'll bet you will have the time of your life.

justme62, stop repeating yourself. I've told you that I am 24-7 embedded right now.

SJG

Just let us know when you want to make the trip. I'm sure you can always find a few TUSCLers to meet you down there since mongers find strength in numbers. You could even invite your alter ego.

You should say to your politicians to just make prostitution legal all around and look at Tijuana as an inspiration

The large metropolitan areas going through decades-long depression should seriously consider this. There is a strong correlation between Detroit's current economic climate and its well reviewed clubs here on TUSCL.

justme and 100ber, thanks for the encouragement, and for all the information.

I actually have very big plans. Paying hookers for sex is just like tipping waiters in restaurants. That it, its just partaking of what is available and being respectful. My interest in Mexico and in it its women goes way beyond that.

I can post about all kinds of stuff here, and I have. But I can do this because I know where to draw the line. I still need to keep my f2f life and my TUSCL life separated by fire walls.

Someday it may be different. The reason I can have such big plans is because I do live differently from the vast majority of people. Work, Play, Education, they are all one for me. I have never in my entire adult life taken a vacation, and I am not a consumer of recreational services. Everything I do is part of much larger agendas.

Hey, I was just reading on TJAmigos, guys having a hard time getting DFKing in the HK Bar. And then I wonder if there is anyway to get DFKing demo,s even out on the sidewalk. From my point of view, if you think it through and play it right, it probably is possible.

And I do like the idea of dancing with the girls. For Latina's, all they have to do is get close with you and look at you, and they can reduce you to jello. And if your not careful, they'll turn you into a show donkey. It's a land of Magical Realism.

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It is always a good idea to make clear what services you with to purchase ahead of time. This applies with club girls and street girls. I have met a few who simply will not engage in kissing of any sort. Most just want to set a price beforehand.

^^^^ Well maybe it sometimes works like that.

But we also have quite contrary evidence:

HK Bar youtube.com

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It seems, that at least for many of these girls, that they lead with DFKing.

What better way could there be to cut out competition?

Even in our local no touching clubs, when a girl wants to finalize her OTC, they sometimes don't follow the rules and start DFKing. Even shopping for OTC, they sometimes start DFKing, intense DFKing. :)

I mention what it said on TJAmigo, because it is going against what seems to be, as I observe, the consensus.

And then accounts of the most extreme Black Clubs, and also the Mixed Race Clubs, girls who give you very little choice but to start DFKing them.

And then RedBook AAMPs, in many the girls just DFK you as soon as they get the front door closed, and before asking for the money.

And my own experience with walkin AAMPs, I got a DFK I was not at all expecting, and the session was mind blowing and unforgettable.

In my experience, mostly with AMPs, the best thing to do is get your girl completely off script right off. Never talk to her like she sells sex or sex acts for money. Money is never mentioned until she says something about it.

GFE is not on the menu at AMPs. But if the girl likes me and I flirt with her verbally, she won't refuse. Often enough I can just kiss her. Sometimes on my lap, sometimes just backing her up against a wall. When it happens, the results are mind blowing.

Often being surprised she will say, "Do you want to do everything?" And she will accept the friend price with joy, and it is awesome.

Other times they don't mention money at all, they just let it happen. I still give them the money at the end, but I know what they really want is to leave with me.

Once, having her backed up against the wall and DFKing her, I pressed the money into her hand. Without even looking at it she flung it across the room.

I treat all women as civilians, and in all situations. And I have found that the best possible way is to get any service provider completely off script.

Sometimes in AMPs the girl will ask what I want. This is already a negative, that we are talking like that. Then sometimes they initially refuse FS. Never do I try to offer money to persuade her. NEVER! I just keep talking to her in a completely civilian manner. Almost always they flip and ask for money and it happens. Usually very nice.

One young Vietnamese fashion plate was being unkissable. Then she asked me what I wanted and what I wanted to pay. So just teasing her I said, "How much for kissing." After a bit of that she admitted that that was a ridiculous idea, and so we started making out and it was a friend price mind blowing FS session.

Like with most of these, if I'd not of had a wife waiting at home, that girl and I would have been waking up together the next morning.

Dickering with the girl is okay. And being specific, if that matters. But only after she insists on coming to an agreement and a price. Never acting like money buys sex or sex acts from her. And usually specificity is not important. FS is a pretty basic idea. Usually I'll just take hold of her with one hand on each or her hips. No further communication is necessary.

If I have to explain it I draw from a Biblical euphemism. "I want to come into you."

If she is not kissing, then you can't use money or negotiations to change that. No matter what she might say, it is bullshit. If she wants to be kissing, she will already be kissing.

So best is just some introductions and flirting, and then kiss her. If it fails, keep talking to her in a completely civilian manner, then try again.

Talk to her and talk to her, but do not talk about kissing. You cannot talk her into doing good DFKing. You have to get beyond her rational and verbal thinking.

And all the info about the most extreme US clubs is that the girls give you very little other choice but to start DFKing them.

And about TJ, the same, from the available evidence.

But I know this may not be universal.

One thing, I never talk to women like they are prostitutes. I always treat them like I am hitting on them as civilians.

Now as far as sidewalk GFE in TJ, that I don't know about. But I believe that if one went about it the right way, it could be.

Thank you for sharing your most valuable experiences.

SJG

The Ultimate Front Room GFE Thread tuscl.net

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Some have said that this 'MLB' is a better place for beginners to start, even better than the Hong Kong Bar. But I don't know what MLB means. Maybe it means this: La Malquerida

But this is only speculation.

Some have said that if one wants girls jumping onto their lap and pushing their tongue into their mouth, that this Playboy Clug is best, even though there are numerous accounts of this for the Hong Kong Bar. I have no idea.

Playboy Club tuscl.net

In general people say that you can pay for everything in dollars or pesos. But if you have to pick, some are saying pesos are better, especially for paying girls, and especially for street girls. I do not know.

Some have written that if you give a girl fichas, then pretty much she belongs to you. Next time you set foot in the club, she will come running.

But fichas are the tokens or paper slips they get when selling drinks. Makes no sense to me. But some say you cannot just be handing a girl cash in these places when she is sitting with you. You have to buy her drinks, as then the house also gets money. So it would seem strange that anyone watches closely enough to stop a guy from handing the girl cash. Maybe you can buy a ficha for her, without actually buying a drink? I have no idea.

Some say that Bar Tropical might have the most really young girls, 18, 19, etc. Why is this when the un ratito price seems to be lower? Is it because the HK bar is seen as 'harder core'?

And my number one question: People keep referring to the back stage shows in the HK bar as 'shaving cream'. To me this makes zero sense. To me this just sounds like guys who keep a good distance from such shows. Some have even talked about shaving cream and chocolate syrup. Again, makes no sense.

And I have seen some brief video clips of it. And then there are videos showing girls getting eaten out at the edge of the main stage.

I keep saying that the shows cannot be shaving cream, as that would be idiotic. So people say I haven't been there so I could not know. But to me it seems like these guys have stayed away instead of participating.

Aren't these shows Whipped Cream shows? To me that is the only way which would make sense. 4.bp.blogspot.com

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Justme62's thread tuscl.net

100ber's Article, Part I tuscl.net

Part II tuscl.net

Part III tuscl.net

SJG

i sometimes get involved in the shaving cream shows... i sit at the tip rail... been molested on stage and been in the nearby tub with the girls drinking beer with them as they clean themselves (and the tip money) after the stage show. fun!

Why can't these clubs organize a basic whipped cream show?

How much front room GFE goes on in the HK Bar? The other TJ clubs?

Where do they have their Donkey Show?

Thanks, SJG

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I misread your title. I thought it said "Erection edition"

Just a note of caution on dfk. I just finished a serious round of antibiotics and steroids. Picked up something called H-Flu. It's viral and can wreck your month with horrible coughing. It's the only way I can think of that I got it. Just be careful fellas. I still want to go back.

Bacterial, not viral. My bad.