Things Dancers should know about Customers

33 comments

• JamesSD

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  9 years ago

  Both the dancer and customer should negotiate limits before a LD or VIP. I do think guys sitting at the rail should tip a dollar per set minimum.
• GoVikings

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  9 years ago

  This guy has been a member since June of 2011 and has ZERO REVIEWS. VERY odd
• davevjr

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  9 years ago

  Thats becuase I registered then but didn't use the site till recently
• whodey

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  9 years ago

  Wonder if the OP wrote this just to get 4 weeks of free access to reviews to find the cheapest possible club near him to visit? IMHO if you can't afford a few singles for each girl that dances onstage because of the cost of the cover and drink minimum, you may want to think about whether a SC is the best place to spend your time and very limited entertainment budget. I do however agree that if a girl doesn't perform extras, especially at a club where extras are known to be offered by some dancers, the girl should be firm but polite in explaining that it is a service she does not offer.
• Papi_Chulo

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  9 years ago

  I spend a good amount on my SC visits (and I SC a lot); but I like to spend my $$$ how and on whom I choose – I don’t like having to tip every dancer just b/c she is there – that’s not my thing – I spend on whom I want/like. As an analogy; SCing can be seen as the equivalent of shopping – when a chick geos shopping; she does a lot of looking w/o necessarily buying – it’s not as if she buys something in every store in the mall that she goes into just b/c she visited that store – so is a custy in a SC; he is “shopping” for what he likes and suits him and will/should spend his $$$ on what suits him; not what suits the club/dancer (or the store owner in the analogy).
• Papi_Chulo

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  9 years ago

  It is very easy to be all loosy goosy w/ someone else’s $$$ - dancers that claim to make hundreds (and even $1k+) per night still want/expect to have anything from drinks; to meals; to cigarettes; etc; but for them w/o them having to spend *their* money.
• carlos_spiceyweiner

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  9 years ago

  You have some good things here, and I encourage you to keep contributing to TUSCL. Dancers who don't pick up on these lessons early on probably never will. Most of us just ignore them. Any dancer who gets rude with me or pushy about extra tip money or freebies never gets a second chance.
• san_jose_guy

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  9 years ago

  I can't condone the tone of this article. Yes, there are potential areas of conflict, and some do involve rejection or money, but I object to the adversarial nature of the presentation. Dancers may rake in money at a greater rate per minute than guys do in most sorts of jobs. But overall, more guys make more money in their lives than girls do. No one said SC's were cheap. If you don't like it, then play with civilians, or start a counter cultural movement and try to change the rules of engagement between men and women. But don't bring a bad attitude into SC's. SJG
• davevjr

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  9 years ago

  San_jose_guy 1) it's not adversarial it's just a headsup on how most guys think 2) guys don't make more money then strippers unless they have an advanced degree. But the crux of what I am saying and i didn't say outright but I will now for you and everyone else who didn't get the point. with good salesmenship the sky is the limit, not true with a regular which is most of the strippers clientele. also it largely depends on the area. A lot of strip clubs are in working class nieghborhoods, Then means hourly wage earners. which is the reason I wrote this article on how this people think about there money and how it relates what they think they deserve. 3) The last comment you made, there is no difference between a striipper and a civilian woman as you put it other then their looks. A woman is a woman and she will get what she can. There is no need for guys to surrender before playing the game. what someone is willing to spend is thier own business.
• tobala

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  9 years ago

  As for myself it does take longer to earn the money than it does to spend it on lap dances. And as for being adversarial, SJG seems to have a problem with everyone who tells it like it is.
• GACA

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  9 years ago

  At a strip club you're always gonna spend faster than you can make it unless you're a 1%. And the OP should act as if he's speaking for all guys. I don't need personal attention from a stripper nor do I care if she's nice as long as she is uber hot and handles her business professionally I'm good. I am not looking for a girlfriend in a strip club. I'm looking for a hot girl to feel up.
• jestrite50

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  9 years ago

  Well i hate to sound like a broken record but all these girls you talk about here are private contractors. Some do well some dont. I have found over the "couple" clubs ive been to pretty much if you respect them and treat them nice they will be nice to you. It works the same with everyone. This isnt a new revelation. Try being nice to dancers. It will get you a lot farther.
• san_jose_guy

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  9 years ago

  davevjr and tobola I am all for fairness for the working man. And FWIW, I am quite certain that there have been times that I have lived poorer than just about anyone else on this board. One of the ways one deals with this is, by staying out of strip clubs. If you walk in there without money, or looking like you don't have money, it will not be a good experience. You don't actually need to have mountains of money. And you can be tight with it. I usually am. But when you want to engage, you have to contribute it freely. Women are expensive. I am all for making economic and social changes. But the place to start applying pressure is not on the women who work in strip clubs. And like I said, if you don't like getting your wallet sucked dry by a stripper ( bad girl ) then deal with civilians ( good girls ). Sorry, but I think you guys are the one's who have a hard time accepting it the way it really is. We can and should work to make changes. But putting pressure on the women is not going to work. SJG
• san_jose_guy

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  9 years ago

  Also, my main clubs have been the Sunnyvale Brass Rail and Sporty's Bar, both completely blue collar. And almost never do I walk into these places dressed as other than blue collar. I avoid the Gentleman's Clubs, mostly because they are more expensive. But again, the remedy and the path to greater fairness are not to put pressure on the women. SJG
• davevjr

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  9 years ago

  San_jose_guy .it is my assertion is a really between strippers and civlians. I have dated some really hot women who are just as hot as any stripper. I am not a guy who can get them whenever I want but it has happened. There is no difference between them other then the fact that one is a stripper by profession. They both have an attitude that a man has to earn them. Earn them impress them in some way. For a civilian it doesn't always equal giving them money or buying things but it is the same dynamic at work. The reason this happens because men always allow it. to desperate for the attention of a female to act like a man. I have known grown men who are still nervous around a woman they are attracted to. as for me: I only what I plan to spend, but I pick the girl that appeals to me most. I don't even bother there dumbass drink minimums, At most I order 1 and nurse it forever. which works fine up until I get lapdance. I pretty much only go to nude clubs. I can spot the High Milage really easily so i always Get my moneys worth. Only had a problem once in Vegas when the girl demanded a tip before the dance started. If women that of it as strictly business then the priviledge attitude of I'm a hottie goes away and they make more money anda I have more fun!
• davevjr

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  9 years ago

  I mean it is my assertion that there is no difference between civilians and strippers
• pensionking

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  9 years ago

  Civilians, with a few exceptions, are less honorable than strippers. Strippers negotiate a specific service for cash. Quid pro quo. Everybody gets exactly what is promised. Civilians commonly enjoy dinner, drinks, tickets, gifts and then MAYBE, just maybe, will they share their affections. Wives commonly demand financial security 24/7/365 with even fewer, less adventurous physical pleasures rendered. When I think of the strange I could have rented by the hour instead of the $1,000s spent on wives birthdays, anniversaries and vacations and, in return, received one good missionary lay in a hotel room, it sickens. I know i am a cynical fuck, but it is just what I've seen with my own eyes. It just seems that strippers are more truthful about the exchange without pretense.
• davevjr

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  9 years ago

  pensionking I have seen what your are talking first hand, but never been a victim of it.what you are actually experiencing is the same attitude. The comment i about women believing you need to earn them applies to what you described. what I should add is most civilian women greatly overestimate their value. Some of these women believe a man is lucky just to be with them because thats what they have told their entire lives and to evidence that men pursue them, we are always the chasers even in the strip club. ALl of what you said is true but it is because of the underlying attitude men and women have towards each other
• ilbbaicnl

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  9 years ago

  To go see a movie at the cinema, you're going to spend at least $12 bucks generally. That's $1 for 10 minutes. 10 minutes is about the length of a 3-song set. If you won't pay at least the same for live naked entertainment as you would for prerecorded stuff, you're just being a cheapshit. If you enjoy watching her, tip her.
• tobala

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  9 years ago

  SJG- As a real blue collar guy I don't need your self righteous socialist do-gooder help. I'm doing just fine without you. I seriously doubt you've ever done a honest days work in your life. You come off as sheltered and disconnected with the real world choosing instead to believe the politically correct liberal tripe you were no doubt taught in college. Your comments on a previous thread about East Tennessee were comedy gold but you exposed your ignorance about the South. FWIW my CF and club faves are treated very well and even when I club dives,which is most of the time,I never go in without money to spend. Sorry, but just because a dancer lives and breathes doesn't mean I owe her money. Have a nice day !
• shailynn

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  9 years ago

  SAN JOSE GUY IS A MOTHERFUCKING BUZZ KILL
• crsm27

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  9 years ago

  I liked this article.... It shows a perspective that many dancers forget. I was at a club about 3 weeks ago (Crusing Chubby's, WI Dells). I was at the tip rail and was tipping dancers as they were dancing. During the rotation....One stripper came over and picked up my tip... Looked at me and said... I am fucking naked and this is all you are tipping me! I get this for only being topless. I had $4 out there. She did nothing at all... didn't dance, talk to me or anything. She just moved to the pole infront of me (rotation). I just about grabbed my tip back and told her to fuck off. You see... The dancers sometimes forget that it is OUR MONEY....and WE decide how we want to spend it. They forget that it is THEIR JOB... to dance, talk, and be personable. To give a "fantasy". The money isn't just expected. Now some of you might say I am an asshole or a cheap ass. But that is not the case. I tip generously and sometimes too much. Lets just put it this way... it that BITCH would have just walked over did some half assed ass shaking infront of me... I would not be complaining. But first thing out of her mouth is bitching because of the tip amount. FUCK HER and all strippers like her. Sorry for the rant but that is what I think is the gist of this article.
• Eagle1191

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  9 years ago

  crsm27 That is an entitled bitch, sucks when you run into one but they do pop up in the SC now and then, some places have a bunch but I think running into the bad ones makes you value the good and great dancers who know how to properly treat good customers. Had a terrible dance recently and this was the first time I have been ripped off but then when the dancer demands the money before a dance and no one else has ever before its a clear sign "do not get the dance".
• Papi_Chulo

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  9 years ago

  ^ yep – IME in clubs where pre-payment is *not* required but certain dancers still want to be pre-paid; these dancers usually suck (in a bad way) and are ROBs.
• Tiburon

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  9 years ago

  to those who pay "$1000s" on their girlfriends/wives, you guys are foolish. That's probably why they still get away with it today. Because you let them. They only get dinner from me, and I have to cook it because I am allergic to common oils used in resturants, so my stingines has an alibi plus, women these days can't cook. Otherwise, I never just willy nilly spend money for a date, like to the movies, without a split check. You played the game wrong gentlemen. Keep the top dollar spending in the strip club, not outside of it.
• 3LeggedMan

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  9 years ago

  I love seeing the thoughts and motivations of clobbers explained by someone with ZERO reviews. And Davevjr is not the only one. What exactly are the qualifications of San Jose Guy? His ZEROs look just as noobish as Dave's. C'mon guys, spill the beans! Talk about your club visits.
• san_jose_guy

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  9 years ago

  All you have to do is read my 1800 posts and you'll find all kinds of descriptions of strip club experiences, and lots more. But as far as trying to send a message to dancers, as davejvr seems want to do, I don't go along with his message. Lots of stuff is unfair about the economics of our society, and we need to change it. But it is out of this that we are finding these girls willing to do so much for us. They are not the place to direct one's criticisms. SJG
• chattguy123

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  9 years ago

  Thats the problem. They are all descriptions. I truly believe you are a real life will hunting. You think because you read about it that you are an authority on that subject. Thats an interesting thing about and autocate.
• oriole1

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  9 years ago

  First of all, don't think you're " entitled" to money just because you work there. Patrons work for their money and are not going to throw it away because you think it grows on trees. When it starts to, pick some for both of us. The worst scenario in a SC is when a dancer has tiny tits. Why would a man go to a SC to look at that? Put your undershirt back on and try another avenue of employment. Another annoying thing in a SC is when the bartender expects tips. If you want tips, dance on stage and earn them. A monkey can open a bottle of beer. Men don't go to these places to make YOUR BMW payments!
• jestrite50

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  9 years ago

  Well I go to strip clubs for relaxation fun and enjoyment. It sounds like a lot of you guys need to stay home and continue beating your wife. I had a wonderful time at a Detroit club this afternoon with a gorgeous young lady that made me feel good about myself and about how much fun women are to be with. I don't need to have my day ruined reading comments from a bunch of guys that hate women. (I'm not talking about everyone here. There are some good guys here. But you bad guys know who you are.) If you guys don't like women that's fine. Go Gay and get it over with !
• gregJ

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  9 years ago

  Some good stuff here but for the most part everyone is missing the point these days. At least for me they are. The main problem for me these days when I go to a strip club is all the damned lesbos that are working. They are taking over all the gentlemen's clubs and I could care less about their sexual orientation but if they are going to work at a gentlemen's clubs then they should know that when they are making google eyes at their girlfriends when I've just bought them an expensive drink and tipped them to sit down and shoot the bull with me then they can expect me to immediately leave that club. Any manager seeing this activity should kick that girl to the curb. They are supposed to be selling fantasies, intimacy, conversation, etc to clients. They are not there for self gratification for their lesbo girlfriends whom also work there. It has gotten horribly bad in Dayton Ohio and I have been going to the clubs less and less frequently. Forget any real dancing. There isn't any. They don't even feel the need to. We have an all nude place that has some really beautiful girls working there. I say "working" as hardly any of them can actually dance. Nearly all of them are gay and they snicker and sneer when these young stupid punks come in there and give them their entire paycheck. My girlfriend's son regularly goes there and he loves it. I told him "you cannot be much of a man at all if you think all that gay crap is actually a turn on". "You aint gonna get invited in son so why pander to it". He has since re-thought patronizing that BS! Don't cater to that type of narcissism guys! There is too much of that among white females today outside of the clubs. I pay girls to dance and dance seductively. I pay girls to sit down with me and discuss intimacy and sex and everything else I might be inhibited by. I don't pay girls to look at other girls.
• sclvr5005

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  9 years ago

  @gregJ- every single one of your posts is fixated on lesbian dancers just ruining your little day. You come off as a butt hurt homophobe. Get the fuck over it all ready and move on!
• DoctorPhil

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  9 years ago

  i agree with cflock