Tipping

People in a service industry rely on tips and employers pay them a wage that takes that into account. The server is serving you and you are some PL going to the club drinking 5 drinks a day, everyday. If someone, anywhere, gives me decent or good service (not just passing a coffee over a counter), I tip. In a club, I tip servers generously. They talk to the dancers and the dancers talk to them. I've had servers guard my seat, get a dancer to come by, and a buddy had one give him her number (her own initiative). In some clubs, like Cheetah Pompano Beach, the servers are allowed to do private dances if they wish.

I tip servers typically very well whether a SC or a regular club or restaurant.

I tip $2 to $3 per drink, typically. Also for serving water and for providing singles. So servers get about $12 to $15 per visit. Maybe $20 if they are particularly personable and we have had a real that day.

However, I make much less than 365 visits per year. That does sound like fun, though. 😁

*Have had a real conversation that day

If one guy comes in and doesn’t tip them, does it really affect their bottom line though? Someone else will just show up and tip them.

I’m started to veer in to the route of just not tipping for a year, and then taking that $2,000 saved and get a VIP room with a hot girl at the end of year for some fun.

If I’m a frequent visitor, I’ll tip a dollar a drink. If I am infrequent, such as when I visit a club in the US now I might tip two dollars to a cutie server.

I’m starting to veer in to the route of just not tipping for a year, and then taking that $2,000 saved and get a VIP room with a hot girl at the end of year for some fun.* Typo in my previous post

If you are visiting a strip club every single day for a year, then you need to find something else to do with your time.

Besides, the fallacy in this example is that if you bought 5 drinks per day for even $3, you'd be spending almost $5,500 per year on strip club priced drinks and, if you bought a single $30 LD each day, over $10k on pointless LDs, all of which would still be blown money and much more than the portion you divert to the servers.

The better way to look at this IMO is to have enough on each visit to ensure that your experience is good and that you can take care of the people who do the same for you. Ancillary costs like tipping servers and bartenders just comes with the turf. If I'm stressing over the small % of my overall club spending which goes to them, then I probably don't belong in the club in the first place.

What if you invested that $10,000 instead of tipping the servers/bartenders? What amount would go in to your pocket?

If you invested $10,000 in Nvidia ($NVDA), you would have $140,000 today. If you invested $10,000 in Nvidia 10 years ago, you would have $2 million dollars.

Be smart with your money!

If you invested $10,000 in Nvidia ($NVDA) 5 years ago* you would have $140,000 today. If you invested $10,000 in Nvidia 10 years ago, you would have $2 million dollars.

Typo in the previous post*

OP is contorting his thinking awfully hard to justify being stingy. First off, you sure as hell don't go to the club every day. What is the real number? Once a week? Even if you tip 20 bucks per visit, that is $1,000 a year. Fuck. You lose that much through the random ripoffs we are all subjected to as we go through life.

And if you had invested that $1,000 in Lucent Stock 30 years ago, or, Worldcom, or you would have $50 now. So the performance of Nvidia has jack squat to do with whether you should tip your server or not.

I had a buddy who thought 5% was plenty to tip a waitress. It was embarrassing to go to the cafe with him, as you could see all the servers fucking hated him. And, he ended up dead anyway, just like all of us will. Be smart with your money. Share a little with those who treat you right.

Oh, and if you stiff your servers, you better make god damn sure you don't forget your phone or wallet as you leave the club. That's how to lose a grand in 10 seconds.

The servers/bartenders feel like they are entitled to our money, that we earned. I worked for this money, not you. I will spend it however I want to.

^ They're working too. They don't get paid normal salaries - they work for tips.

How has there been a thread about buying drinks from a Baby Dolls Dallas fan vs a Baby Dolls Dallas critic, and there hasn’t been an implosion yet? LAME

^Lol

As pointed out service workers depend on tips. Often times they depend on them more than you could imagine.

It’s your money and unless it is mandatory then the choice to tip or not tip is yours. Of course, you risk being labeled as a Cheap Charlie and may suffer the consequences if you expect to be a repeat customer.

My companion last night works as a waitress and she likes to spread my money around. Pre-approving my tips is standard for her. Yes, I sound like a simp but it makes me laugh every time.

I used to deliver pizzas for a living, and tips were a huge part of my income. If it wasn't for that, all I would've been paid was minimum ($7.25 in North Dakota; even after 20 years at Domino's, I was still getting paid minimum) and mileage, which really doesn't pay for anything. So I really get where servers are coming from.

Typically when I eat out (often Perkins), I'll start the tip at $5; more if the server's particularly busy or goes the extra mile for me. (Have to admit to tipping one server just a dollar because he was so bad at his job. One time, I had ordered a breakfast, so toast came with it, naturally. There wasn't any jam at the table. I interrupted his chat fest with some friends and asked him for some. He said, "It's over there. I'll have to get it for you," and took his sweet time getting it. Yeah, maybe a dollar was too much.)

One server was busting her ass. She was the only server in the place and it was almost full. Still, she touched every table, got everyone their drinks promptly and was pleasant through the whole fiasco. Before I left, I slipped her a twenty and told her thanks for doing such a great job.

I don't understand: if you're making up numbers, use a little more imagination. Suppose you're doing this on Jupiter, which has a 10 hour day, or Mars, which has a 670 day year. And instead of tipping $5, make it 800 Japanese yen. Come on here! If you want to show us you can multiply big numbers, you're doing it wrong

The worst is when door girls asks for a tip. They literally sit there, take your money, and then ask me to tip them (trying to guilt me in to tipping them).

No thank you! You are not entitled to the money I earned. It’s my money and I’ll spend it how I decide.

I have a favorite server on the night shift at Bourbon St. in Phoenix, she’s always happy to see me and she’s a hoot to talk with. We chat on IG, and she knows who all my favorite dancers are, and some are friends of hers. She may have played me like a violin, but I don’t care. I like her and always tip her very generously. With other servers, I toss them a buck or two.

While I don’t condone not tipping service workers I question the new tipping order I see all over the place. Tipping a clerk who I buy a candy bat from at 7-11 is wrong. Tipping any clerk who makes min wage is not the same as tipping a server who is likely being paid $2 an hour by their incredibly cheap boss is mandatory. Especially since they often have forced tip outs as high as 10% or the total food bill to kitchen staff and hostesses. Then there is the situation where even managers demand a portion of the tips the servers get. The whole tipping mentality is f’ed up. Why not force thru min wage laws that a living wage be paid and forget this subjective unfair semi-system?

My favorite is when the DJ goes up to the girls and demands a tip. Fuck that.

Or when the girl sells a VIP room, and the club takes a big chunk of the total payout.

Everybody has their hand out!

A friend gave me a little bell, the kind you might see at a motel counter. I told my waitress that when I ring it I want a beer. It would be loud and crowded in the bar but she'd always hear that bell. Of course I tip her 30-50$ every time. True story!

"Everybody has their hand out!"

That's not true, and I'll explain why for a small tip... 😁

^Lol

@Phantomgeek the idea that servers should be paid a percentage of the total bill though is ridiculous. If you order expensive food products, it doesnt mean server should be paid more automatically. And what if you eat out with a group of people and the total bill is $5000? Did the server really do $500 of work let alone $1000 or $1500?

Its a customer service job nearly anyone can get without prior experience or a degree. $10 an hour/minimum wage is still a livable wage- you just may have to live with roommates, you may not have the most expensive cars or clothing.

If you wont be coming back to that restaurant, I see no reason to tip anything. If you order $100 of food, spending a few minutes placing your plates and taking them back isnt worth $20 of income.

@rightfield not tipping doesnt give them the right to steal your goods- only confirms they didnt deserve a tip in the first place.

Also if you go to a restaurant, your never legally obligated to leave a tip- some restaurants will add a tip automatically to your bill if your a party of 3, 4, 5 etc and as long as they tell you upfront its fine.

The waitress is still an employee or contractor of the restaurant she works for- no customer is personally obligated to pay her bills no matter how much they scream they “work on tips”. If tipping were actually such an issue every sit-down restaurant would have a disclaimer and warning to everyone entering the restaurant talking about tipping expectations- i bet you theres a ton of foreign people who are tourists and dont tip- plus a bunch of black and indian people who are too cheap to tip.

Anyway its not reasonable to go to a strip club every day or even to spend thousands a month on sex or lapdances. Even if your a billionaire theres a ton of other things to spend money on. As far as tipping strip club servers i would tip them the standard 10% to 20% if you go to the club regularly

^^Preaching

How a person spends their time and money is their choice. If they want to go to the strip club every day because that brings them enjoyment of life, that is their choice. Your opinion of whether or not they should do that doesn’t matter. People that live like that probably think the things you spend a lot of time on are odd, and question why someone would be putting so much of their time in that activity.

If they don’t want to tip, that’s their choice. We are not obligated to think or behave a certain way (as long as it’s legal.)

Don't be a cheapass charlie.

Don't tip if you don't want to. However, tippers get more friendly treatment at the strip club than non-tippers. Are you there to have fun, or save money?

Troll

“tippers get more friendly treatment” lol

Also, tippers don’t get spit floaties in their beer or sperm sauce on their burgers.

@rickthehick, I wasn't talking about a percentage-based tip. I tip accordingly, or what I feel is. Have to admit the setting can also influence my tipping. There's a huge difference in tip expectations between a Perkins and, say, a 5-star restaurant with a suit-and-tie dress code and a maître d (sp?).

And minimum wage is in no way a livable wage, not unless you live in an area where prices haven't gone up since probably the '80s. $7.25/hour at 40 hours per week grosses about $1200/month. Take out rent, insurance, gas, and food, and you'll be lucky -- damn lucky -- to break even today.

Oh, yeah, and taxes. Almost forgot about that expenditure. Then you're definitely running in the red.

At that point, you should just give them advice on career alternatives if you are actually that invested in helping them “make a living.”

That job advice/career guidance will be a lot more valuable to them then that $1 tip you’re giving her for your beer. Then she could “make a living!”

Tipping is the cost of doing business. If you can't afford to tip at a strip club while you're out and don't go. I'm not saying tip everyone (including people who just randomly ask for them) like a crazy person, but if you got decent service from someone who works in an industry that relies on tips don't be afraid to tip. And especially don't be cheap.

...then do something else and don't go

@phantongeek i was thinking minimum wage is $10 an hour, but regardless, even $7.25 is affordable- youd have to get a $500 or $600 a month room, and simply work 48 hours a week instead of 40, possibly. A car is not a necessity of life, but even then, theres plenty of cheap cars you could buy or finance even on the $1200 a month.

I didnt say it would be easy, luxurious or enjoyable but its definitely enough to survive. And your taxes would be minimal when earning that little- regardless i dont think it even is $7.25 anywhere

@rickthehick, minimum wage in North Dakota is $7.25. Well, at least it was before I finally moved away a couple years ago. And we'll have to agree to disagree -- $7.25 at 40 hours a week is not affordable. And good luck finding those employers willing to shell out for overtime (at least in North Dakota).

I always tip the bar help good, very good! Sometimes it gets me a free drink and I don’t get cut off when I have had too much. lol I have even been invited to stay after they close and lock the doors for free drinks.

@phantomgeek it has nothing to do with agreeing to disagree. Its a fact that you can rent a room for $500 or $600 a month. Its a fact that you can also finance a cheap car and buy cheap enough food to where you would be able to survive at even $7.25 an hour full time.

Your comparing your current luxurious standard of living which has nothing to do with affordability. Also i would bet that food is extremely cheap in north dakota.

Also you dont have to work overtime with the same employer. You can work multiple part time jobs or work full time at one job and work part time weekend only at a different place. But this is all besides the point because even if we stick to $7.25 an hour at only 40 hours a week you can still survive- you just would have to rent a room, and you wouldn’t have the best smartphone or car or expensive food and wouldnt be able to eat out much

North Dakota has entered the chat. Lol. You know once in a while it is good to get a true minority perspective around here. You Florida, Georgia, and Texas guys have the floor most of the day. With a dash of Seattle...

@rickthehick, luxurious standard of living? Where'd you get that from? I work 40+ hours a week, $16/hour, and I'm still living paycheck to paycheck here in Minneapolis.

And food is not "extremely cheap" in North Dakota. It's about the same price as here in Minneapolis. Nothing is extremely cheap there.

And Grand Forks has this bizarre attitude that it's a suburb of the Twin Cities, which is why the rent is so high in that area. I was lucky to find a studio apartment there for just over $600/month.

Please, don't lecture me on the ability to survive on $7.25/hour, not until you've done it yourself, which I'm getting the impression you never have had do, nor on the affordability of North Dakota, again which I'm getting the impression you've never done.

@phantomgeek you can afford strip clubs and sex workers at $16 an hour?

Also $600 for a studio apartment is in fact cheap when compared to the US. And if thats a studio apartment, you can live with roommates for even less.
Its factually possible to survive off the $7.25 an hour. You just wont have brand name clothing, wont really be able to eat out, wont have the nicest car or place and wont be able to save beyond maybe $100 a month.
By the way even nashville has studio apartments at $1800+. So $600 is fairly cheap for one

@rickthehick, I rarely go to strip clubs anymore. The last time was early December, and the next time probably won't be until August. As for sex workers (where'd they come into the discussion?), yeah -- no. Too much for too little.

Yeah, $600 is relatively cheap, and I was lucky with that in Grand Forks. Starting there is about $800, which is ridiculous in a town with next to nothing to offer.

If you believe that $7.25/hour -- well, you and George Bush -- is enough to live on, then so be it. I don't and I won't, and no matter how much you tell me so, I won't believe it.

Funny enough, the Dallas Observer put out an article yesterday saying Americans feel we are being asked too much to tip, and that “tipping culture is out of hand.”

“Whether you leave a 20% gratuity or not, we all agree that tipping culture is out of hand“

Link: dallasobserver.com

From the article:

“There are even self-service kiosks inside restaurants that ask you to leave a tip (also based on a true story) with zero human interaction.”

From the article:

“According to a new WalletHub survey, more than 2 in 5 Americans think the U.S. should ban tips.”

From the article:

“81% of Americans think tipping has gotten out of control.”

“55% feel that they have to leave a good tip due to social pressure rather than good service.”

From the article:

“In his statement, he goes on to say that no one wants to leave service industry workers without a living wage, but most people don’t want to continue subsidizing the wages employers should be paying.”

What a troll lol

@phantomgeek im curious why you say sex workers are too much for too little? Often they are a much better value than strip clubs. Guys on here may not like them because they are often high volume or may have a boyfriend pimp in a nearby hotel room etc. but not because too much for too little.

Also my friend it isnt something thats debatable. There are market prices for say, a gallon of milk, a dozen eggs, potatoes, rice, utilities costs, phone bill costs, etc. even clothing, you can go to marshalls or ross or tjmaxx etc and get shoes for $20-$30, they even had timberland boots for only like $70 the other day, you can even find nike or jordan t shirts for $10 each, leather belts at $20, jeans for $20, hoodies for $20, etc.

So when you say its impossible to survive on $7.25 a month, even if rent is only $600 a month, thats just not true my friend. Your equation is obviously accounting for a pricy car or electronics or clothing or food.

@rickthehick. Wow, you're just a dog with a bone here, aren't you? You're arguing through numbers, I'm arguing through experience, and we'll never agree.

Just let it go, okay?