Defining “mileage” vs defining “extras”

Why aren't extras one end of the mileage continuum?

Lots of people use them semi interchangeably. Want to get the sense of the broader community

I consider them to be on the same continuum, as K suggests. On my scale (largely adopted from another now defunct site), very low mileage is an air dance; low mileage is light grinding without any mutual touching; medium adds mutual touching to a decent grind, high mileage has full access to her body possibly with FIV and probably includes significant stick shifting on her part; very high mileage is "playing taste the sausage" (as that site put it); ultra high mileage is "hide the sausage".

I too look at extras as one end of mileage. The better end.

Extras are mileage, but mileage may not be extras.

Yeah, VHM and UHM are totally sex acts. HM used to include hand jobs, but people who couldn't get handjobs at their clubs were feeling othered lol.

Milage is grabbing tits and smacking asses. And the girl doesn't mind or maybe even likes it a little.

It is not extras.

What type of mileage is it if she lets you keep her underwear? Is that “souvenir mileage”?

The whole point of using mileage as a term is to describe non-extras. Your definition is pretty reasonable but there is a grey area where dancers may be intentionally finishing a guy without the direct works of Henry James.

I can’t unsee the facial expression of a dude one couch over Dustin Hoffmaning with a dancer at a cheap club so that hurts the appeal for me. I hope he tipped her well for getting to tip so poorly.

I agree with OP (mostly). Mileage refers to dances with your pants up. Extras refers to sex acts of some sort, i.e., one or both particpants' bare genitals (except for maybe a condom) against or in some part of the bare body of the other participant. Whether or not there is an orgasm is irrelevant. So I don't count LDK as an extra, while fucking even if you don't come obviously is.

@shailynn wrote What type of mileage is it if she lets you keep her underwear? Is that “souvenir mileage”?

Only if you don't intend to wear them...then it's "kinky mileage". :)

I dunno I think somehow the whole concept got turned around. Is there enough things to be done with a guy's pants on to fill out Very High Mileage and Ultra High Mileage? The whole point was to be a euphemism for sexy things until simple people just had to have it all spelled out for them.

Wall, I get you. The problem is that while everyone knows what low mileage is, it is evident from reviews what is considered HM or UHM can vary widely. Some consider sucking titties, stick shifting, or LDK to be UHM.

Some people think handys are extras, others say it's par for the course during a lapper.

For me I'd say OTP/sweatpants harmonica are high mileage, whereas HJs count as extras.

I think of there being a dividing line here in Indianapolis between legal and illegal activities. Some strippers will not allow some legal things, like breast touching, and to me that indicates lack of mileage. I think of extras as some form of sex, which is illegal in my local strip clubs.

“Mileage” isn’t useable as a term without adding a descriptor, usually low, medium, high, very high or ultra high. It also usually needs some context for either the location or possibly the club. E.g., high mileage in Nashville would mean something very different from Houston.

Extras can also be context dependent but IMO less so. It means some sort of intimate contact and usually something that could but doesn’t have to result in one of the participants having an O.

I agree with the OP that the terms are not synonymous. They can both be used in describing the same act. I.E, extras are always at least HM.

Sheesh what so many horndogs seem to want is an AI generated video of what every dancer in tuscl-land will do, literally a blow-by-blow video sequence prior to club visit.

So are furtive HJs at Playhouse in Burlington NJ considered as "extras" or are they standard equipment? Two different dancers at Landing Strip in Ronkonkoma, L.I. told me that HJs came with the list price of a VIP

High mileage kind of keeps open ended to protect people from anything. I like the term that way. Fucking could be included in that at least when I use it.

I think of extras as anything a dancer says she'll do, but wants more money for doing it.

This is how I use it (in order of increasing sex act):

(note: you don't need to hit all the bullet points, if one of these is a good chunk of the dance, then your dance falls into that category)

NO MILEAGE

• Air Dance
• barely on your lap
• doesn't take off any clothes

LOW MILEAGE (on lap for all)

• doesn't take off clothes
• one-way touching and there isn't a lot of that
• barely any grind

STANDARD MILEAGE

• solid effort at grinding
• clothes are off (in accordance with club rules/pricing)
• some effort at sensuality, e.g heavy breathing, snuggling, ass and tit grabbing

HIGH MILEAGE

• LDK possible
• lots of sensuality
• two way contact, stick shifting
• you licking her
• brief kisses
• pussy grabbing, either brief or over panties (e.g. If I only got close to a LDK, and nothing else, this is a high mileage dance)

ULTRA HIGH MILEAGE

• LDK all but guaranteed (if no LDK, that's a you problem)
• lots of making out, DFK even better (what I call GFE)
• full access to the vag
• ITP stick shifting (but not to completion

EXTRAS:

• HJ to completion
• oral either way, various levels of protection and finishes
• FS (e.g., if I only got a HJ to completion and the girl didn't get naked, this is still an extras dance)

That is one solid rubric @chiefwiggum! Don't think anyone can argue with such a thorough breakdown.

@chiefwiggum—great and detailed breakdown

@founder—that comment is worth sharing more broadly