Greenland or Canada?

Why not both?

Make them speak English. No French. Their testosterone would immediately double.

"What good taking on a couple of frozen welfare states could possibly do us is beyond me."
Natural resources and space, particularly on the Arctic.
I still regard these as, well, a snowball's chance in hell (for Greenland) and a snowFLAKE's chance in hell (for Canada).

"There is always the excuse of “he’s just saying that, it’s STRATEGY”, but that seems too convenient."
Except that it fits his MO.

Starting any post with the words "the orange turd" demonstrates a complete lack of seriousness, cognition, and class. That is kindergarten level coping. Grow up.

Puddy: so it’s either a good idea or he’s just saying that or it’s both? This is trump era 1 gop thinking. I know it’s crazy, you know it’s crazy, and I know that you know it’s crazy.

I can’t read gammas comment bc my retard filter is on. Say hi to icey from me, gamma.

^ @Drew
Is the popcorn maker working?

^^ Except that his negotiating opponents can't decide if he's crazy or not. That's the point.

^ that not up for debate any more, its covfete

👽 ☀️ 🌲 WTF? All I Know Is There Is Lots Of Sasquatch In Canada, WA, Alaska, Etc....But Not Much Info On Greenland, What Da' Hell, There All Cold 🤠

@puddy: sure, that’s the old refrain. He’s so STRATEGIC that he pretends to be crazy to get better deals! Or… he’s actually just a crazy person.

@25 I need to upgrade mine, it won’t make it though the next 4 years

@drew - the fact that we're debating whether or not he's crazy says he's having the desired effect.

Greenland has major strategic and economic value.

We already have a military base on the continent, which is part of our IBM early warning system. Also, major northern shipping lanes run through its territorial waters. It also holds vast deposits of rare earth elements, some of which we currently have to rely upon China to supply.

The entire continent also has the population of a single medium size U.S. town. And it's not like Denmark is doing much with it.

So in this instance I don't really understand the shrill girly squeals of half men who are already leveling charges of crazy town upon us. But of course, some of us have enough emotional control to actually do 3 minutes of research to understand the issue before we form an opinion on it, lol.

^ Let’s start a go fund me page, for a new popcorn machine

BTW if he’s successful taking over the Panama Canal, the French will have to take the Suez Canal back as well.

And to add, the U.S. isn't the only country interested in Greenland. Russia has been running military exercises near its shores and China lobbied, unsuccessfully, to build three airstrips on the Continent.

If we could manage to persuade Denmark and Greenland to make a deal, it would be a huge strategic and economic coup. Denmark is also heavily subsidizing Greenland, which provides ample opportunity for leverage and negotiation.

Fake news! Meow

I think Trump is dead serious about pursuing Greenland. Read what I wrote above.

@rick: every time you fall back to the the personal attacks ala “shrill girly squeals” you demonstrate that you don’t actually have an argument.

But sure, tell us all about how much you know about Greenland and how we are going to annex it and why that’s good for anyone. Apparently you’ve been “doing your research” (ie googled “Greenland”).

Ha ha - if there were any hostile takeovers of anyplace on earth by Russia or China, who do you think would have to pivot and suddenly put vast military and taxpayer resources into the fray?
Denmark? France? Great Britain?

All you people who want free stuff - healthcare, housing, food, public transportation, should be down with “America First”.
Don’t you get the connection? We need to maintain world economic supremacy. Sorry if that doesn’t seem fair but that’s the way it is.

"every time you fall back to the the personal attacks ala “shrill girly squeals” you demonstrate that you don’t actually have an argument."

"orange turd"

Lulz

^ The free stuff from Greenland includes ice in the winter

Greenland is large, but according to Wikipedia, it's not a continent: "Greenland is the world's largest non-continental island and the third largest area in North America after Canada and the United States."

Just puttin' that out there...

===> "@rick: every time you fall back to the the personal attacks ala “shrill girly squeals” you demonstrate that you don’t actually have an argument."

How else do you want me to describe it when you kick off with "orange turd" and then follow it with 4 paragraphs of melodrama? You do it to yourself man. 😉

My argument regarding the benefits and opportunities was very clearly laid out. Feel free to read as slowly as you need to before you respond again. Now he may not be successful, but it's hardly as crazy a concept as you seem to believe - for all the reasons I already discussed.

Aha the might Rick Dugan once again with no substance and the typical personal attacks.

Here’s a dumb one: “we have a military base on the continent”.

1. Greenland is an island, not a continent.

2. We already have a military base on every “continent”. By this logic, we should annex France and Spain too.

Maybe geography isn’t your strong suit, tiger? 😘

Miss Greenland. Just sayin’
https://www.instagram.com/miss…

I should probably point out Orange Turd, doesn’t actually count as a personal attack, unless you happen to be the Orange Turd, himself, but one hallmark of a cult is taking attacks on their Dear Leader, personally.
Jes Sayin.

^The two-five is correct.

Sorry Drew I have nothing against you but the phrase "orange turd" marks you as having nothing of value to say. I expected better of you quite frankly. I did not expect better out of 25. The hysteria of democrats about Trump, more particularly in view of the thousands of people dead worldwide in wars due to Biden's impotence as a leader, makes me understand why progressive men are so supportive of trannies.

@Studme53
I could support taking over Miss Greenland
😀

Skibum don’t feel bad I don’t expect better from you either, so don’t worry about it
Covfete Baby

^ ha ha - do they have strip clubs in Greenland? If not, let’s rethink this whole takeover.

25 ip yours douche bag fraud. By the way, its covfefe imbecile. Limit yourself to words with fewer letters.

^up

^ Covfete Baby, cope properly

.

^^ epitome of a fucking cunt. ^Lmao.

Drew, mea culpa on the island vs. continent designation. As far as the rest, please feel free to respond to my argument holistically rather than picking out once piece. Why it makes sense is the military base PLUS all of those other factors.

I copied and pasted the relevant portions from my posts above to make it easier for you to read. Take all the time you need...

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Greenland has major strategic and economic value.

We already have a military base on the continent, which is part of our IBM early warning system. Also, major northern shipping lanes run through its territorial waters. It also holds vast deposits of rare earth elements, some of which we currently have to rely upon China to supply.

The entire [island lol] also has the population of a single medium size U.S. town. And it's not like Denmark is doing much with it.

And to add, the U.S. isn't the only country interested in Greenland. Russia has been running military exercises near its shores and China lobbied, unsuccessfully, to build three airstrips on the Continent.

If we could manage to persuade Denmark and Greenland to make a deal, it would be a huge strategic and economic coup. Denmark is also heavily subsidizing Greenland, which provides ample opportunity for leverage and negotiation.

@Ski as always I appreciate the collegiality. I’ve been calling him the orange turd on tuscl for years, It’s my little indulgence. We all know he’s an embarrassment, though. To be fair not even I will defend “dead at the wheel” Joe, who I once liked.

But this post isn’t about that, it’s about geopolitics, baby!!!

@skibum
My final word is I still don’t expect anything better from you. What ever you like !
Covfete Baby

For anyone who takes trump seriously, remember in 2019 when he said he defeated Isis??

Lmfao. Please get real. Nationalism is happening all over the globe, so this is just posturing bs, as always. Funny thing is, nobody that has commented on this thread knows a damn thing, but get their feelings hurt when somebody disagrees. lol!

Except you would not have known the muted comment was from me, unless you unmute the comments and read them. Gotcha, loser!

I listen to everything Trump says, the same as I do with all my opponents when I play poker, and I trust and believe everything they all say equally. Of course my motto in poker is "I believe nothing I hear and only 30% of what I see when it comes to cards."

@rick:

Thank you. I’ll go one at a time and we can sum up at the end.

2. “Also, major northern shipping lanes run through its territorial waters”

…not really. Greenland is far out of the way of Atlantic shipping lanes, it is very far north. However if climate change continues apace, the NW passage will become more viable as an alternative to the Panama Canal.

But really, who cares? Ships sail all over the world today and we don’t need to annex South Africa, Spain, Argentina, etc. to get them there.

I need more butter for my popcorn.

...and what about Panama. To paraphrase Senator Dan Inouye, "We stole it fair and square, twice.."

Hasn't he heard that the Panama canal is running out of water?

If I’m living in shitty Greenland, I would love to be part of the US. I wonder if you polled the residents (only like 50K) what they would say. I mean literally just buy everybody out.

Btw I can’t wait to sail the Gulf of America playing Christopher Cross songs. It has a nice ring to it

@gumaman

Who the fuck uses the Gadsden flag to show how "aware" they are? You really know your rights dude!

Fuckin' stupid. Aren't you glad you ignored me? Now everybody else can see my shit talking, except.....you.

@Muddy: unsurprisingly, they want independence from Denmark, not to join the USA. There may be an orange turd factor at work there, just guessing.

Have you seen the Yacht Rock documentary? It is excellent and has plenty of Cristopher Cross.

@25
"I should probably point out Orange Turd, doesn’t actually count as a personal attack, unless you happen to be the Orange Turd, himself, but one hallmark of a cult is taking attacks on their Dear Leader, personally.
Jes Sayin."

It's only a cult when it's the other side.
This is "pointing out hypocrisy."
Keep my name out your mouth, gramps.

@drew yeah I totally seen it on HBO max. It was amazing. I love all that good shit.

^leaving geopolitics for a sec: the part where Donald Fagin told the narrator to “go fuck yourself” was worth the price of admission alone!

Oh yeah Fagan seems like a huge curmudgeon but it was definitely lmao worthy. He couldn't have been too mad though as he licensed a bunch of songs to film. Maybe he realizes on the down low this fake genre (albeit an awesome one) is bringing new folks out to the shows now.

^the way I see it, you feel a little ripped off if Donald Fagin *isn’t* a dick to you. Like you’re not getting the full experience. Who knows, maybe they got him to say it bc it’s funnier than another bunch of more of less nice stories about songwriting?

Panama Canal, Gulf of America, Greenland and Canada: "The Art of the Deal" in action is how DJT shoots for The Best Deal. Obama showed us BOHICA when he BOWED to a Saudi Prince when he was first in office, we've had 12 years now, and BHO is now irrelevant, and POTUS Biden will be remembered as POTUS BRANDON. The ction Brandon has taken the past month clearly show his colors and they are not Red, White and Blue.

Starting out with "Orange Turd" is just telling everyone you need to stop binge drinking Kool-Aid and take off the Converse.

The Panama Canal was a historic move to Globalization by the Left back in 1979 by Carter. America built the damn thing, 55,000 workers and 5.600 killed. The French failed and failed. We need to push the CCP out of our Region. Start with The Canal. We can pressure Panama with tariffs as they have broken the treaty we agreed to when they took over and gave operational control to a Chinese operations company who reports to the CCP.

Gulf of America: Why not. Lots of things get renamed. We have a bit more coastline than Mexico so do it.

Greenland: The PM of Greenland just kisses the Danish Ring and bends-over to keep his cash flowing. The people of Greenland want to see America make it a US Territory as the Danes take advantage of them. If Russia or China become provocative in Greenland Denmark will be like Poland in WWII. Even if we paid $5T for it, the ROI would be incredible. People poo-poo'ed buying Alaska too.

Canada: I just don't see it becoming a State, ever. However, we can greatly improve trade by getting a better trade agreement and getting Canada to do a way better job of stopping illegals from heading South. For example, Alberta has a known 100T Cubic Feet of NatGas. AI data centers need between 500MW and 1,000MW of electricity. Remote land in Alberta for lights-out AI DCs is cheap and building NatGas power plants is not a big deal until Pebble SMR nukes can be constructed. Building AT DCs on USA turf is not as practical.

What DJT is doing is 100% MAGA, and it is about damn time after the limp-wristed sell-off of America we've seen since the 1970s.

Pucker up Liberals and get ready for some underwear changing. Me, I'm LOVIN' IT!

^you guys can pretend this crazy bs isn’t crazy all you want. But I know that you’re actually thinking “ok take it easy Donald”.

This morning he said he wouldn’t rule out taking Greenland *by force*. That’s just as cuddly as Vlad Putin’s reasoning for invading Ukraine.

Hopefully he’s just a liar. I’ll remember to quote you on “I’M LOVIN’ IT” when we get a few miles don’t he rabbit hole.

I'm loving' watching the libs cry, seethe, cope, flail, and impotently fret just by the maneuvering even before Trump has taken office. Once he is sworn into the Oval Office, the fun will really start.

Here's the craziest part: a rising tide lifts all boats. We can expect the GOP and Trump to fix the economy again, restore national security again, hold the everyone - foreign and domestic- accountable again, and make America the leader of the free world, again. The libs will be safer, richer, and enjoy a better quality of life than Brandon/Harris/Obama 3.0 ever offered them and claim to be miserable the whole time.

Trump is a fucking idiot. You have to be delusional to try to rationalize what he says.

Maybe I missed it among all the discussion of Trump's comments on Greenland, Canada and Panama -- which frankly are embarrassing the US on the world stage.

How is Trump going to lower my grocery bill ?

wild4testes, since when would you care about the cost of your grocery bill?
Your posting history here has always been about supporting the people whose policies helped raise it #DIPSHIT!

@wild: "How is Trump going to lower my grocery bill ?"

...trickle down economics, of course!

'All you people who want free stuff - healthcare, housing, food, public transportation, should be down with “America First”.
Don’t you get the connection? We need to maintain world economic supremacy. Sorry if that doesn’t seem fair but that’s the way it is.'

And yet, there are over 70 countries worldwide that have some form of free or universal Healthcare. Zero of those countries have the largest economy in the world.

Also, LOL at Greenland being called a continent.

There are three ways of looking at this

1)Trump is crazy
2) Trump want's to see how crazy his supporters are
3) Both 1 & 2 can be true at the same time.

wld4cocks is just parroting eric swallows from California. Simultaneously hilarious and pathetic.

"70 countries worldwide that have some form of free or universal Healthcare. Zero of those countries have the largest economy in the world." This is called a self-own, LOL. None of them have the standard of living which is the envy of the world, either. The United States is not perfect - our government, our healthcare system- but it is still better than any other place on Earth. We, the MAGA "fringe", are simply working towards maintaining our nation as the highest standard of living, as the shining city on the hill, as a government of the people, by the people, and for the people. The democrat party has openly stated that they want to take America down to the level of most third-world countries, that they want to instill a perpetual government of elites and insiders, and to allow the barbarians inside the gates to loot and rape. As Americans, we have a precious heritage that cannot be frittered away by weak and immoral career bureaucrats. This is all simple truth. We won the election. Democrats lost. Get over it.

There is only one way to look at people with Trump derangement syndrome: With disgust at their anti-American desire to suck foreign cock and swallow.
The stupidest people on earth use the phrase: "free healthcare, instead of the truth, that they are stupid, lazy, greedy and feel an entitlement to be supported by those who are superior to them in every way. Fucking progressives always looking for a handout.

Dum-Dee-dum-dum…..
Dumb Dee dumb, dumb, DUMB!!

@Drew:

Here's some more information regarding shipping lanes involving Greenland.

https://www.freightnews.co.za/…

And once again you cherry picked one part of a much broader collection of considerations.

Some folks in this thread could really benefit from some emotional control. Seriously, all this melodrama over every out of the box thing he suggests must be downright exhausting. 😉

The U.S. has a long history of acquiring territory through purchases. Just because it hasn't happened in the modern era doesn't mean that it never can.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…

Most of Greenland is uninhabitable, which is why there are less than 60,000 people on the island. Even worse though, Denmark currently has to subsidize Greenland for it to work even for that small number of people. When you look at this without pre-conceived biases and knee-jerk emotional reactions, it makes sense to wonder whether Denmark might be willing to part with it - for the right price of course.

^ The lefties on this thread (and in the media) need Trump hatred like the rest of us need oxygen. It gives their lives meaning and purpose.

^Nope, it's looking at things clear-eyed without being MAGA kool-aid impaired.

^
wild4testes = #DIPSHIT

@wld4tatas - the left is as clear-eyed as Stevie Wonder.
You have 11 days left to rehearse a good inauguration scream video.
Don't disappoint us.

===> "^ The lefties on this thread (and in the media) need Trump hatred like the rest of us need oxygen. It gives their lives meaning and purpose."

Puddy, I'm starting to think you're right. Just look at them, flailing about in this thread with so much melodrama and hyperbole, yet nothing concrete to dispute the many amply discussed benefits that could come from actually accomplishing a purchase of Greenland.

They literally cannot put aside their conditioned emotional responses and look at this objectively. They have no emotional control whatsoever. I must say that this is not a great look on grown ass men. It's like they never had fathers to teach them how to behave like men, so they've defaulted to some shrill teenage girl mode.

And I say this as someone who can't stand Trump. I still hold the narcissistic a-hole responsible for the depressed GA special election turnout which gave Dems control of the Senate and, in turn, led to catastrophically inflationary spending bills. But I held my nose and voted for him for policy reasons and now I'm going to evaluate each new proposal on its merits.

Now his Canada comments I found to be stupid. We're talking about 44 million people under a very different system of government, accustomed to more government support services. Absorbing a country of that size, with such differences in governance, would be a downright nightmare.

I really think that Trump was doing a "look here, look here" when he raised that to make his Greenland proposal look more reasonable by comparison. More of his "Art of the Deal" tactics.

But a tiny population of 50,000 people who may require some modest subsidization (by U.S. budgetary standards)? Eminently doable.

@rick

Hold your horses, we are getting there!

“ The U.S. has a long history of acquiring territory through purchases.”

Too late your orange buddy just upgraded: now he won’t rule out taking Greenland by force. Enter the Trumperium!

“ And I say this as someone who can't stand Trump”. …I knew it! You and I not only share a delight in hot young sluts, We also can’t stand Trump.

Let’s get together soon to discuss the new edition of Mother Jones over chai tea and avocado toast! You old lib, you! 😉

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===> "^ The lefties on this thread (and in the media) need Trump hatred like the rest of us need oxygen. It gives their lives meaning and purpose."

Not just the lefties buddy, most normal folk feel the same way.
In all honesty the MAGA cult won the election, why would they be pushing so hard if they won. My own personal belief is they have a terrible inferiority complex.
That’s the true Trump Derangement Syndrome.
So sorry y’all feel that way
BTW I don’t really care what Trump does, its just so much fun watching the meltdown of the MAGA cult

Did anyone ever consider the possibility of Trump doing this just to create the inane reactions the left seems to love and has no intention of doing any of this? I feel that I can be quite aggravating if I set my mind to it and as such I do to other lawyers as Trump does to progressives, having learned that pissing off my opponents and causing them to focus on how much they hate me, instead of the matter at hand, makes them terrible at doing what they're actually supposed to be doing.

Ba ha ha! That’s funny Drew…

I voted for trump twice, couldn’t stomach him after his huesteria after losing by the election in ‘20. People show their true character in defeat. Suprisingly as a registered a Republican voter I couldn’t pull the trigger again because I consider myself a normal
Person. Therefore MAGA being outside of the norms. A lot of people here spend way too much time consuming media without much purpose in their lives to occupy them. Sad

@ski well that is the $50 question with trump: is he crazy like a fox or just crazy?

It’s a convenient way to explain bad behavior when the alternative is unsettling.

@rick d - I agree with all of what you said, including Trump throwing a bitch fit in 20 to give Dems the Senate. He's a narcissistic prick but at least he's a conservative narcissistic prick.

I don't know if Trump actively tries to steal their souls, or if Trump is just their pretext to let their inner freak out. They treat being unhinged at Trump as a mark of pride!

@25 - You're a lefty in denial. Touch grass and you'll see who is melting down. Hint, it's the left.

^ like I said look how hard your trying, you cult fellas take everything so personally
LMFAO
🤣

"This is called a self-own, LOL. None of them have the standard of living which is the envy of the world, either. "

If you think the US has the highest standard of living in the world, then you don't think. You also haven't done much traveling or simple research. Our healthcare sucks, we're collectively obese, our life expectancy is like 50th in the world and projected to get even worse in the next couple decades, working class people barely get any time off all year and will retire broke, our infrastructure is poor, our education system is bad. I mean sure, compared to third world countries in Africa and the middle east, we are doing great. Compared to other wealthy nations, our standard of living is not the best and is on a decline. Your metric of "standard of living" is obviously not one that's based in reality.

@25 - LOL gramps talking about taking anything personally. You can't even let slide a single remark @gammanu makes towards you!

TDS squad gettin' big mad today!

^ what a matter bro, you mad 😠
LOL
Keep proving me right

^ https://www.youtube.com/watch?…

@Nina: yep!

Nina, mostly because
Our capitalistic enterprise system makes it so easy to over indulge compared to other fist world nations is why our general population has lower health standards, not because we are lacking anything. People from all over still come to the US to get healthcare treatment if they can afford it, as it is still the best albeit expensive. For educated folks, they live within their means, save, and proactively tasks care of their health to keep them from your mentioned health problems. However Americans are so over marketed with conveniences they don’t need and consume all the crap peddled them, we’ve got a lot of the masses thinking those products are not harmful. I am working middle class, in great health, and have millions of wealth to my name with a high standard of living, yet too many of my peers cave into their indulgences and over consume. I don’t think I’d be able
To attain that kind of standard of living in another country, if so it would be more challenging since I was born here with all of roots centered in American culture. I just can’t buy all the bashing of our culture when you have to take the good with the bad.

@Nina "If you think the US has the highest standard of living in the world, then you don't think. You also haven't done much traveling or simple research."

Then why are you still here?

^ she doesn't believe a word she wrote, she's just mad that I was right again.

@drew

Trickle down economics is the best answer so far !

The right wingers in this thread have absolutely no answer for how Trump will lower the cost of groceries. Despite saying over and over the election was about inflation and kitchen table issues more than anything else. All they can do is deflect.

^ Step 1: Don't make it worse by putting Democrats in charge ;)

>If we could manage to persuade Denmark and Greenland to make a deal, it would be a huge strategic and economic coup.

@rick -- that might be true. But threatening to take Greenland by force is unlikely to persuade them. Like I said, he is again embarrassing himself and the entire US by his approach. And creating friction with our allies.

Let's wait and see if he takes it to the next level, and Denmark announces some kind of new deal with China. Don't think China isn't watching all this and looking for opportunities to exploit division between Western countries.

"Then why are you still here?"

I have family, business, properly, etc here. I actually was going to move to Europe years ago and then the pandemic happened and my plans changed. And I'm doing quite well here. That doesn't change a thing I said, and the "love it or leave it!" retorts got old quite some time ago.

"^ she doesn't believe a word she wrote, she's just mad that I was right again."

Prove me wrong, then, Gammanu. Refute what I said. I said we don't have the highest standard of living in the world. How am I wrong? I said we, as a nation, are collectively obese. Am I incorrect in that assessment? No. I said our healthcare sucks. It does. Sure America has some of the best health care on earth... for only the richest people who can afford it; our healthcare system makes people who are not financially blessed who might get sick either have to die because they can't afford treatment, or get treatment and spend the rest of their lives as a debt slave. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Am I wrong? Our infrastructure is subpar for a developed nation; are you actually contesting that? We get less educated as time goes by. We're a nation of uneducated fatsos. Working class people slave away for two weeks' vacation time per year and those same working class people have to work until they are old and disabled instead of retiring debt free. Please show me where I'm incorrect here. Please refute any of those statements and please explain to me how and why you think the US has the best standard of living in the world. If I'm so wrong, prove it.

* I don’t know, you throw a lot of blanket statements out there without anything to support your statements.Did you know I’m the most fuckable man on earth?? How am I wrong? Refute my statement because yiu can’t prove that statement isn’t correct, since I am the most fuckable man alive!

@wld4tatas: So now you speak for the rest of the world? Interesting. 😉

But even if you were right about how "the rest of the world" thinks about Trump, so what? Third world countries are third world countries for a reason and the U.S. continues to heavily subsidize most of the other developed nations in multiple ways.

The world is a much more dangerous place than it was 4 years ago and some of that has to do with a President who worried overly much about how a bunch of gutless European leaders would feel about him. All while they enjoy their military defense at our expense and their people enjoy cheap life saving drugs subsidized by American consumers, among many other things.

Trump is just putting on an act to entertain his MAGA base, while he uses sleight of hand to give tax breaks and fat government contracts to himself and his rich buddies, don't be fooled, his second administration won't enact any more of his campaign promises than his first administration.

@Drew, how's that go fund me coming along, can we get a popcorn machine yet ?

Mate27, the fact that you are however old you are and can't differentiate fact vs emotion is... well, it's expected. I stand uncorrected. Unless you're also in the camp that believes the US has the highest standard of living on earth. Do you believe that?

Sorry, not worry about the truth bomb I dropped on you. I know I’m the most fuckable man on earth. Do you know how many people say “fuck you” to me in a daily basis? Indisputable proof I am the most fuckable man alive, and it can’t be disproven. That’s fact.

OK...

Touché

Fine, so ninavagina believes what she wrote, which makes her a fool instead of a simple liar. Her statements are still collective false and do nothing to disprove that the United States of America has a standard of living which is the envy of the world. Read what I wrote again, you dumb bitch, "envy of the world," and we know this because the rest of the world is invading through Biden/Harris and Obama 3.0's unsecured borders. Collectively obese? So what? How does an excess of cheap foods lower the standard of living? People need to make better personal decisions about their individual nutrition, but that does not lower the standard of living. If your fat ass is happy to sit on the couch eating fried chicken and watching Joy Reed, then you have a happy standard of living. Healthcare sucks? How? Everything you said is false. There is a massive and impossible well-funded safety net of medicare, medicaid, sliding scale fees, and charitable healthcare programs which people have access to. Just because Michael Moore tells you that people are dying on street corners everywhere does not make it so. Plenty of people on CMS and private insurance have access to healthcare because of it. Our healthcare system is faster and results in better outcomes than anywhere else, including Canada (very slow) and Europe (terrible outcomes). Our infrastructure is world-leading. I don't even know where TF you're getting that from. Do you mean San Francisco? That's not America. That is deep blue DEI failure. Education? According to the US Census bureau, from 1940 to 2009, High School graduation rates by percentage of the population increased from 5% to 30% and college graduates increased from 25% to 88%. Anything else I can waste my time on for you? Go ahead and shut your hole until the next limp cock comes along. You are better off being quiet and thought an idiot, then posting again and having me out you again.

Nina is correct. The United States does not have the highest standard of living.

https://www.usnews.com/news/be…

The phrase "standard of living" is so vague and subjective as to be meaningless. I believe Luxembourg has the highest average income in the world. That's what happens when a lot of people go somewhere to work in finance. There are places with universal healthcare, but they trade off in terms of access for anything that isn't an emergency.

Life expectancy is a shitty measure of the quality of a healthcare system, because it contains so much outside the system. If you take away accidents (we have more of a car culture, Europeans walk and take mass transit more) and homicides, we don't look so bad. If you look at 5-year survival rates for cancers, we're pretty damn good.

The problems with the US healthcare system are financial; doctors can't survive on Medicare and Medicaid reimbursements. If we go to Medicare for All, we're going to see a lot of doctors retire or leave the practice of medicine.

We don't have a healthcare system; we have hundreds of them. That's the problem. We have a ton of middlemen like PBMs that add jack shit, and insurers that don't do much more. Lots of their shady practices coming to light.

Better than M4A would be something like the French or German systems. The former provides basic care through the government with private insurance added on. The latter has private insurers but treats them as utilities. Both work.

The Canadian and British systems are fucked up. I think that's why Canada markets assisted suicide, and tries to make it a euphemism like "medical aid in dying." It saves on costs. That's where they're headed, covering suicide rather than complicated surgeries and expensive drugs. God help us if we end up like that.

^^because US News & World Report says so? Thank you for making me laugh out loud. You are such a tool.

"If your fat ass is happy to sit on the couch eating fried chicken and watching Joy Reed, then you have a happy standard of living."

Just because those things make YOU personally happy does not mean they're reflective of an entire country's standard of living. "Happy standard of living" because you get to be fat and eat fried chicken is not an actual metric of standard of living. It's also not healthy.

Being so poor that you qualify for medicaid is not a high standard of living and is contradictory to your argument. Neither is going into debt over healthcare because you're not quite poor enough for medicaid. Nothing about our healthcare system is indicative of a high standard of living and it's laughable to try to argue otherwise. The richest people in a nation having access to the best healthcare while others are left to die shows a wealth AND health disparity that is not present in nations with higher standards of living than the US.

The fact that to argue your point, you have to pretend that San Francisco is not a part of the US, only supports the fact that you're ignorant to the argument and can't make valid points. You're driven by emotion only, and armed with ad hominems instead of actual substance.

Lmao at you showing education numbers from the 1940s to 2009 to "prove" somehow that we're super educated today in 2025 compared to the rest of the competitive nations. Let's compare our current education to that of Japan, or Sweden, or Switzerland - I dare you to come back here and say we're the most educated country. Lmao.

How about the working class I was talking about? Let's compare our minimum wage to those other countries. Let's compare vacation time, sick leave, matertinity and paternity leave, retirement, savings, home ownership. Get back to me on that.

Yes, our infrastructure compared to other nations with high(er) standards of living is subpar. Look at our bridges and roads. Oh and our trains are really world class, too, is that what you're going to tell me next?

I remember when I was ignorant like you and I argued for hours with another girl because I really thought the US was far and away the best country in the world with the highest standard of living. Well, I realized I was wrong when I actually researched things. Of course, I was about 16 at that time. Perhaps Google what "standard of living" means and see that your narrow world view can be *gasp* broadened by facts! Or, continue being wrong. Your choice.

I really got under your skin, and you did not disappoint in your reaction. However, you failed to provide a single fact or any evidence. You simply reiterated the false statements which I already disproved. Show me the facts and figures, ensure they are from non-partisan and verifiable sources, and we can continue. Until then, you just prove my original assertations about your complete lack of knowledge and rhetorical skill.

Yeah that's exactly what I thought. You're such an empty vessel.

NinaB FTW!

Clearly, Drew is not ignoring me.

Nina, I will accept that as a forfeit as you have no facts or data to refute me on. The next time you want to debate from an inferior position, at least do a bit of research. Your desperate belief to think that America is nation full of "uneducated fatsoes" does not make it so. Feel free to move to Canada.

^ really drew? The fact that she conflated everything as a whole pertaining to the real choices available in the market available to those who can afford quality healthcare, food, education, and opportunities throughout our country, it’s easier than anywhere else to succeed here than almost any other place. Even in bear people have it better than most people did 40-50 years ago, except we have a population tha overindulges in anything you can imagine. You can’t go to other first world nations and sit on your ass living
Off handouts to live half the standard of living like many of our fat asses here do.lifes all about choices, and people have the economic options to sit on their duff. Not so much opportunity to do so elsewhere. Sorry, but I choose to eat a balanced diet and put in physical activity, etc. most normal people do. Walmart serves organic food at decent prices and most people can grow food if they invest time. I can’t support a whoa is me victim mentality.

I mean, who cares if Denmark and Canada sent their soldiers into combat with ours in Afghanistan after 9/11? Who cares if Canada saved many Americans from being taken hostage during the Iranian Hostage Crisis? Gratitude and being an honorable ally is only for unmanly looosers!

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ilb the mentally ill IL lib is having a major meltdown over Trump trolling Canada and Denmark. Untwist your panties, little girl, and put down the HuffPo kool-aid.

"Gratitude and being an honorable ally is only for unmanly looosers!"

I don't care if we lose all our allies, as long as we own the libs!

I've read plenty of these who has the best country debate, and whatever methodology is used, like US News, or Quality of Life Index, and this one we studied in school and they're all largely based on self-reporting. Traveling abroad, ime, if a country has a unified/homogeneous culture (especially with long standing traditions), i.e. Nordic states, those citizens will largely vote they are happy. To be somewhat hyper critical, what is it to be happy? That's all very subjective.

From an USA standpoint, traditionally, we strive to have our freedom, our liberty, our own livelihood (i.e. life, liberty and pursuit of happiness). For most western worlds, this is also largely achievable, but literally at a high price in the form of taxes. If they don't get you in taxes, they get you in higher price of goods. Also, salaries are generally lower.

IMO, based on objective facts, USA is the best country in the world, followed by (probably in this order): Germany, Canada, Norway.

It is funny when people mention freedom here in the US when we have such alarming imprisonment stats. I haven't looked up this stat in a couple years, but I doubt things have changed much in that time; we make up slightly less than 5% of the world's population, yet have more than 20% of the entire world's prison population. We have more people in prison than any other country, even more than CHINA which is over 4x our size with over 1.4B people. And at China's seems relative - they are second most populous country in the world and have the second highest prison population. Our prison population numbers are extreme in comparison. I won't call a country that has such a disproportionately large prison population the best country on earth, as it means we either have an incredibly unfair justice system, or that we have a lot of shitty people here who commit felonies. Or both. We are not #1 in education, access to healthcare, infrastructure, or life expectancy... but we're damn sure gonna represent and be #1 in prison population.

Also interesting to note that our prison recidivism rates are high too, so we're not rehabilitating the criminals, either, as the majority of them will reoffend. Not surprisingly, the country with the lowest recidivism rate I have heard of is Norway, which is always ranked highly in standard of living.

Nina AGAIN FTW.

@dugan:

#3. The entire continent also has the population of a single medium size U.S. town. And it's not like Denmark is doing much with it.

Population size has no bearing on whether a country should occupy or buy someone else's home. By that logic, the Chinese (1.4B) should invade the USA (343M) because... you know, there's mostly only tumbleweeds and grizzly bears there.

There are many countries with less crime, especially violent crime, than the US. If we were happier, wouldn't we have less, not more, crime?

All hail the Troll In Chief.

Nina dates the prison population. Jes sayin…

Bacon!!

@ rickdugan

The idea of taking over Canada should make every GOP congressman groan. Let alone everyone else. The politics of Canada are VERY LEFT LEANING. They are going to be more of a boost for Democrats than they are for Republicans in the long run.

Greenland is more manageable, but I highly doubt they are going to fit in to the modern GOP. Both of these countries have more in common with Democrats than Republican. My question to Trump is "Are the resources gained worth it for a possible shift in the Electoral college map 10 years or more later on"?

Personally I would look at this again about 3 years into his 2nd term. If he is being serious.

We have more people incarcerated than other countries because we are freer here than other countries. With freedom comes responsibility, but far too many in this land have no sense of responsibility so they abuse the freedom and go to jail. In China, we are 1) relying on the figures provided by an orwellian truthless government; 2) They tend to treat criminals far more harshly than we do, especially in blue areas where crime is legal for some communities, but harsh treatment reduces crime and 3) China has no illegal immigration problems, which has skewered the prison, poverty and lack of education figures. If you take major blue cities out of the equation, we're find.
For those willing to work hard, America is great. For those unwilling to work hard it sucks, and rightfully so.

@skibum - you're right, I don't know WTF Nina is thinking, citing Chinese government statistics. I wonder if they count their Uighur slaves as prisoners.

This thread still shows the left's addiction to Trump Rage. Does anyone seriously think Canada OR Greenland is about to get bought? Annexing Canada was such an obvious troll joke that the autistic SJG could have picked up on it. Greenland doesn't want to be bought, and Denmark doesn't want to sell it. Yet we have most of the lib cope squad here acting like we're Nazi Germany looking for Lebensraum.

Every bit of anger is a dopamine hit, like meth or pussy.

Yeah, having a president who trolls as a leader is great!

Not much coping or anger here, only some right wing propagandists trying to make it appear so.

>Sorry Drew I have nothing against you but the phrase "orange turd" marks you as having nothing of value to say.

Just noticed this LOL.

By skibum's own criteria - engaging in derogatory name-calling - he is the most worthless poster on TUSCL.

^ touché

"Not much coping or anger here, only some right wing propagandists trying to make it appear so."
LOL. You don't need our help to make it appear so.
Only 4 years and 9 days to go.

"Yeah, having a president who trolls as a leader is great!"
Biden's brain is too addled to do so.
But you must have loved "Captain Strawman" Obama.

Trump = No Russian invasions, Kim backed down, took out Iran's Terrorist-in-Chief, Abraham Accords, the "quietest Middle East in 20 years" according to Biden's own national security adviser

Obama/Biden = "More latitude after the election," Russian invasions, Kim threatening again, groveling before the mullahs, aid to Hamas

I know which one I prefer!

Oh, and our "red line" in Syria. We bluffed and our ten-high got called.

@wild the orange turd is just that, an orange turd and in this way I am expressing my distaste for him, a distaste shared by many here, including those arguing the right wing side of this alleged geopolitics discussion.

I agree that insulting political figures is typical here, for example ski has had many colorful comments re Biden, Kamala, Obama, etc.

I try not personally attack tuscl pls bc despite our differences I actually like you guys.

Except for gamma and icey, they’re retards and I can’t see what they say anyway bc I put on founders auto-retard-blocking feature, which automatically hides those two accounts.

For a guy who has me on "ignore", he sure is obsessed with me. Another liberal brain to reside in, rent-free.

@PT so you assume the Russian invasion of Ukraine is Biden's responsibility. Why don't you assume COVID was Trump's responsibility?

^ I don't? COVID was a _worldwide_ pandemic, though Trump owns the poor handling of it.

"just noticed this LOL" = "I am so fucking stupid it actually took me 3 days to figure out what to type".

@PT I see. So the US President can't control worldwide stuff. But, the US President controls what Russia does because it only has 11% of the world's land area?

^ Yeah, it's not like we've been playing geopolitical chess with Russia for 80 years or anything.

Hmm, only under Obama and Biden, but not Trump. Keep rationalizing.

@PT Gang violence in Haiti escalated greatly in May of 2020. Does that prove Obama was a better President than Trump?

^ Is Haiti a major geopolitical rival that we've sparred with for decades? Did their president express a desire to restore the USSR?

Sarcasm really is a poor substitute for a rational argument. Do better.

@PT so Trump could determine what happens in Haiti, it's just not worth his time?

^ Are you really pretending that Haiti demands as much of the POTUS' attention as Russia?

Again, sarcasm really is a poor substitute for a rational argument. Do better.

Well, couldn't he delegate Haiti to somebody? He's so good at appointing the best to serve in his administration. Or, is ensuring other countries never choose to do bad things a super power that only Trump himself possesses? Why should the US care more about far away Ukraine than nearby Haiti? It's not sarcasm when I ask you to explain your reasoning. That's just your snowflake tears talking.

Man, you're dense. How can you account for the fact that Putin invaded under "more latitude after the election" Obama and "Minor incursion" Biden, but not under Trump? At some point, even the addle-pated lib mind has to ask why that is, notice how other countries have responded to their leadership, and ask a question.

Why should US care more about Ukraine than Haiti? Because Russia wants to reconstitute the USSR, Haiti is a basket case that will not spill beyond the border. Or, you're making an argument that we shouldn't be in Ukraine, very Republican if you.

Again, sarcasm really is a poor substitute for a rational argument. Do better.

@PT for the same reason that I don't think that Trump caused the increased gang violence in Haiti. The actions of the US President only have limited influence on what happens both inside and outside of the US. Actions of the Ukrainian government were the proximate cause of the Russian Invasion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/… . The weak response to the invasion of Crimea, by the US (under both Obama and Trump) and the rest of NATO was also a factor. Do better than coincidence is causality.

^ Right, so if it's good and happens during Trump, it's coincidence, and if it's bad and happens during Trump, it's causal. Very convenient. One need only look at the rest of the world, as i pointed out above, to see who projects strength and under whom we need to manufacture more Astroglide for our tender asses.

Ukraine is looking lovely too. We keep throwing money into a war of attrition that Russia is closer to and more committed to. I guess that's the price of giving the president's degenerate son a well paid sinecure he was in no way qualified for.

Wrong, that's the exact opposite of what I wrote.

^ Keep at it, you're ahead of @wld4tatas and making a run at @jaybud999 as captain of the lib cope squad.

@PT thankfully you taught me the just-keep-posting-the-same-dubiously-relevant-meme coping strategy.

It’s going to be funny when trump also doesn’t solve the Ukraine problem. Maybe he can send Jared again?

Nah, your tears have been falling like the snow...4 more years, man.

Wow, I never knew these people had so much time to devote their lives to be experts in world politics! That must pay a lot to support your standard of living.

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