11223 Old Baltimore Pike
Beltsville, MD 20705
Owner is greedy as hell… do OTC whenever you can
Sunday, August 4, 2024 7:08 AM
The owner of this place is basically a pimp. Its the tatted white guy who hangs at the bar area.
I was informed by a dancer that the way things work is the dancer checks in at the bar when she’s with a customer, and the guy uses his computer to actually time how long the dancer spent in the dance room.
Dancers have to give half of all their earnings to the owner. So, in addition to the $20 you pay directly to the bar, if you pay $80 for 2 nude lapdances, the dancer has to give half that to the owner.
No wonder so many dancers here are open to OTC. Theyre making far less money than you would think.
The best thing to do is get the dancers number and do OTC so there is no middleman pimp keeping half the money. Even on the rare occasion that a dancer only offers dances OTC, it’s better to do that than pay in the club.
Those cameras in the VIP rooms are not just for show… they are constantly being tracked and monitored every second… by the owner himself. Every second you spend in that room is billed for.
This is why the dancers aren’t undercutting each other. It didnt make sense to me, if the house only keeps a $20 house fee, why are the prices even set in stone. I asked a few guys on here, and they claimed the dancers just dont want to give away free time in the VIP.
That’s not the case or the issue at hand. If dancers had freedom to just give away dances as they pleased, you would absolutely see some dancers willing to do full nude dances for $20 instead of $40 for instance… you would see dancers cut deals like spend a full hour with someone for $300… the reason this doesn’t happen is because everything is monitored and they aren’t allowed to do any of that.. unless you finally take things OTC, and pay them the money they deserve.
They should honestly just do away with the $20 house fee… i see the reason they do it. The average client who doesn’t ask the right questions probably thinks the dancers get to keep all the money earned from dances.
Also, you can see this for yourself… watch when any dancer comes out of one of the VIP rooms after having given someone a dance… you will see them right away walk over to the bar and hand the owner some money.
I was informed by a dancer that the way things work is the dancer checks in at the bar when she’s with a customer, and the guy uses his computer to actually time how long the dancer spent in the dance room.
Dancers have to give half of all their earnings to the owner. So, in addition to the $20 you pay directly to the bar, if you pay $80 for 2 nude lapdances, the dancer has to give half that to the owner.
No wonder so many dancers here are open to OTC. Theyre making far less money than you would think.
The best thing to do is get the dancers number and do OTC so there is no middleman pimp keeping half the money. Even on the rare occasion that a dancer only offers dances OTC, it’s better to do that than pay in the club.
Those cameras in the VIP rooms are not just for show… they are constantly being tracked and monitored every second… by the owner himself. Every second you spend in that room is billed for.
This is why the dancers aren’t undercutting each other. It didnt make sense to me, if the house only keeps a $20 house fee, why are the prices even set in stone. I asked a few guys on here, and they claimed the dancers just dont want to give away free time in the VIP.
That’s not the case or the issue at hand. If dancers had freedom to just give away dances as they pleased, you would absolutely see some dancers willing to do full nude dances for $20 instead of $40 for instance… you would see dancers cut deals like spend a full hour with someone for $300… the reason this doesn’t happen is because everything is monitored and they aren’t allowed to do any of that.. unless you finally take things OTC, and pay them the money they deserve.
They should honestly just do away with the $20 house fee… i see the reason they do it. The average client who doesn’t ask the right questions probably thinks the dancers get to keep all the money earned from dances.
Also, you can see this for yourself… watch when any dancer comes out of one of the VIP rooms after having given someone a dance… you will see them right away walk over to the bar and hand the owner some money.
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Look at for instance the house in DC. The customers pay a one time $50 fee to the bar for a stamp which is a house fee. After that, each dancer sets their own prices. $20 a song or more or less. Since dancers are setting their own prices, theres much less monitoring done by the club since theyee not going to bother timing and monitoring when the dancer started the dance how long it went for etc.
At showcase, even if a dancer wanted to give you free dances/extra time in the VIP rooms she would be unable to because the owner is charging her for how long she stays in that room.
And you think an OTC girl isn't giving some/all of her earnings to a handler?
One point I take away from this post, though, which isn't really new information, is that over the years, I have avoided clubs where the clubs take what I feel are excessive cuts of dancer earnings. What's "excessive"? It's subjective and relative. The same applies to girls that I know have traditional pimps.m
As far as the owner tracking times via computer logging and cameras.....would YOU trust the girls to report 100% of their LD time?
Just as clubs provide a place for PLs to view a buffet of girls, clubs provide a safe venue for the girls to ply their trade. Club owners deserve to be paid for providing that service.
We know this would never be possible in a free market scenario. Obviously if a dancer is making $0 sitting around, some dancers will consider dancing for $20 per song. This is even further proven by the fact, that all the dancers here in fact do earn $20 per nude lapdance, not the $40 many people thought.
An OTC stripper very possibly may not be giving money to a handler. That is why many on this site prefer strippers to escorts. The concern with escorts is safety, if a client will rob them or worse. There are many high end escorts, who dont have handlers and instead have a screening process where they ask the client for personal info.
The value of an OTC stripper, is she already does the vetting while in the club. Of course some OTC stripper’s will still have pimps, but many wont have them. Meeting the client in person at the club, allows them to vet clients and not meet guys who they are afraid could rob them or not pay or hurt them.
The problem with the way showcase does things is they make clients feel that there is only a $20 house fee for each girl the client wants to dance with. Yes obviously girls wouldnt be honest with their LD time, bur they wouldnt need to be, if the club only charged a $20 house fee. If the club just charged that $20 fee, dancers could basically set their own pricing and give customers extra time if they wanted.
By the way i doubt anyone has a traditional pimp nowadays. There might be some latina girls which are pimped by a cartel or gang. Most of the girls with pimps have boyfriend pimps. Some dont need them and instead have a screening process. The closest thing to a traditional pimp might be an agency owner or strip club owner. It doesnt make sense otherwise for 20 or 30 girls to have the same pimp.
Youre also ignoring a huge segment of providers who are agency girls. An agency if its a true agency will often have an owner, separate people for security, and a separate person handling bookings. There is no one manager who collects half their money and keeps it. A portion of their earnings is take but also used to pay other employees.
When you get to the $400+ hourly range, it’s considered high end escorts. And a lot of these women dont need managers or pimps. They often will collect photo IDs and/or ask you to send them an electronic deposit (which will give them your real legal name).
Nobody wants to give away their earnings to someone else. It’s something done out of necessity when it happens.
If they don't like how the club is run, they work elsewhere. There was once a guy who ran multiple clubs, and the girls were notoriously miserable. It was because the owner took a large cut of thru earnings. Their solution was to demand a matching tip for LDs, which resulted in those clubs not being among the top choices for PLs. An issue such as the Showcase ultimately fixes itself. For example, I've been to Showcase only twice, and while I enjoy the stage show method there, I avoided LDs because of the $20 + $40 model. Eventually the girls get tired of being told "no", and they go elsewhere, at least to the extent that they can.
Rickmacrodong. Maybe your location is different. In my experience its rare for any provider to be fully independent. Vetting is rarely done by the girls themselves. How fast they accept an offer is more about how fast they need cash. Agencies are just covers like modeling agencies or booking agents. Honestly though none of that matters to clientele
On the other hand you could get scammed. A guy i was with paid $40 for a nude dance, apparently the girl didnt take her bottoms off, and only danced for 30 seconds.. which is crazy
Then beyond that, yes $5 solo cups, plus they get $20 from each customer anytime they take a dancer into VIP.
It should end there. Those factors alone bring in enough money. But the owner is a tatted guy who looks like a junkie; looks like deadpool when he lost the costume.
And please mate.. restrain yourself with the language
He has to cover the front desk girl and the DJ year round, including through slow periods. And you had better believe that the cop is getting paid - they don't work for free.
You also have no idea what his other commercial expenses are. His utility bill alone must be huge. Then there is rent/mortgage expenses, building maintenance, whatever licensing fees he has to pay the local government, etc., etc.
You're a fucktard. Oops, there goes my language again. 😉
Front desk girl is a low wage job probably getting paid $12 an hour.
The DJ also fills in as a manager. And probably gets no more than 40k a year. These are not high paying jobs bro.
The cop works part time, on Friday Saturday nights only. Minimal expense.
The house earning $20 per lapdance is more than reasonable. They should just do a one time $50 stamp for customers to use VIP as much as they want, and then directly pay the dancer whatever price they agree on for dances.
Comon mate… if hes getting 200k income after all expenses and salaries are paid thats more than reasonable… but he wants that doctor lawyer salary
We need to come together and stick to OTC as much as possible.
Theyve got cameras in every VIP room anyway, and the owner is literally snooping in checking whether the dancer is topless Or full nude because they have different prices for those options (lol).
Imagine your dayjob being leeching money off dancers and checking them in private lap dance rooms to verify whether or not they took their underwear off. Its ridiculous. It should be up to the dancer’s discretion to do a nude dance and any potential price increase involved.
This guy easily has fixed overhead costs of $20 - 25k per month that he has to clear before he earns a nickel for himself. And yes, he probably wants to earn a decent return on all of his efforts and risks.
The only way a nude juice bar can survive is to take a decent cut of the dancer VIP/LD haul. This guy isn't much different than most management in similar nude juice bar establishments, except maybe he's a bit more obvious about it.
Please restrain yourself…
As far as the owners fees its a ghetto warehouse area thats been reworked to be a club. I doubt the operating expenses are that high. And regardless, a pimp is anyone who takes a cut of money from someone else who earned that money via sexual services. Of course, legally speaking a lapdance isnt sex, hence being a club owner is legal. But technically speaking, its just a legalized pimp.
Even if a dancer was willing to sell you a full nude dance for $30, she wouldn’t be able to do it because the guy would be like “oh you took your underwear off so you need to pay me $20 not $15”
Comon now that’s just ridiculous
I don't think what's described in the thread is pimping. Its a common practice in independent clubs. If he gets a cut of extras performed. Takes money from pimps to hire their girls. That would be pimping. And isn't uncommon
Furthermore, pulling down $200k in DC suburbs is not flex territory.
A club owner can (and should) charge whatever he wants to customer and dancers. It's up to dancers and customers to stop patronizing / working at clubs with excessive fees. But, it's not like there are currently a plethora of good (or any) clubs in the DMV. So, unless/until someone enters the market with a profitable strip club which more fairly allows dancers to make money, the club's owner should benefit from doing what others have been unable to provide.
However we arent in a true free market. Clubs have licensing laws and thus are basically using government to create a monopoly situation. All those licensing laws and other regulations aren’t supposed to exist- but obviously will help prevent or reduce new clubs from opening up.
So in a free market situation, yes, if a bad club exists, someone else can easily open up another one thats better for dancers and customers. But in a monopoly situation, there is no other club for dancers and customers to go to. In this case they would have to go to ebony inn, or further out to either DC or baltimore. Those cities come with their own restrictions and their own drawbacks working the clubs there. Plus theres no guarantee they will gain employment there- after all a lot ot the showcase dancers are older… and their stage dances are a lot of twerking so they may not be a fit at other clubs.
Even 100k in the dc area is enough to live comfortably. You can easily find a place for 800k, or a million bucks. It just wont be as large as what you could get for the same money if you were 20+ miles away from dc.
There arent many who can make 200k. Youd need to be a lawyer or doctor or, a finance or tech professional at the manager or higher level.
Theres only one way, to truly bring the market back in your hands
As far as owning a $800k home on a $100k salary, I'm interested in knowing which financial advisor you consult.
Someone pulling 100k can easily put 3-4k, even 5k a month towards rent or a mortgage
I'm not "defending" him. I'm just a finance guy and a business owner who can reasonably guess what he's dealing with. To add, he also needs to make enough during the fat months to ride out the lean ones.
But if you don't like it the answer is simple - don't go there. Go to another club. Or a ball game in DC or B'more. Or find a SB. Or do anything else. It is purely discretionary entertainment.
The dancers aren't captive either. Indeed dancing is one of the most highly mobile professions in the country. A hot girl can leave one club and be on shift at another in a blink of an eye. If it wasn't worth it to them, you can bet that they wouldn't be there.
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Independent clubs price gouge and are sketchy. That's how they stay in business.
Guesstimating his basic overhead floor is not hard. He has a lease or mortgage on a 4,163 s.f. commercial building, his utility bill is easily in the thousands and he has at least two W-9 employees as well a rent-a-cop that is probably getting paid at overtime rates.
If anything, I'm guessing on the low side.
I heard dancers may actually be employees and paid a small hourly wage? Otherwise the ways to make money are from stage tips, or some dancers perform lap dances out on the main floor/seating area for $20 per song (dancer keeps all), or the VIP dances, customer pays $20 house fee to bar, and pays dancer $30 per topless song and $40 per nude song. Dancer only keeps half that money the customer hands to her.
From what i see most dancers on fridays saturdays only manage to sell a couple private dances but some dancers are good at selling and sell 10-15 songs on fridays/saturdays. I havent gone on a weekday yet but heard its very empty. Even if they sell 10-15 songs thats only $200-$300 earned by the dancer so i think most dancers here must need to work a day job unless they also do OTC or have someone helping with bills.
Anyways. None of this really matters to customers. For the vast majority there's no vested interest in the detailed finances of the club.
Showcase offers a better experience for both customers and dancers.
Ebony Inn takes a $35-$85 house fee from dancers (depending on day/entry time), while allowing dancers to keep 100% of the $10 dance fees. Each club has a different operating model, each having its pros and cons....just as mainstream businesses within an industry have different operating models.
One could argue that EI is more greedy than Showcase, due to charging up to $20 cover, $10 to park, $6 for beer / $14 for liquor, and house fees for dancers.
So, singling out Showcase's owner for trying to make a living is a bit unfair.
Regarding ebony inn, if the $10 is kept by dancers that means each dancer can set their own rates cant they? Some could give you a deal for buying 10 dances, or they could charge $20 if they want instead of $10? I would think any club where dancers keep 100%, they can also set their own prices?
Yeah, we discussed ebony inns parking situation which may not even be fully legal how they do that. I dont think they own that parking lot, but they probably can just refuse entry to anyone who doesnt pay the $10 parking fee.
I admit my OP may be exaggerated incorrect if Mr Dugans numbers are correct. Im not sure about the utilities costing thousands of $ per month because the club is open 6 hours a night.. bathrooms arent used that much and they arent using much water for anything else, there isnt that much of an area to air condition, its much less than a full sized house which will have $200-$300 electrical bill in the summer.
But regardless if their expenses are really over 20k a month then i was incorrect… someone told me the dancers may actually be getting paid there hourly and are employees of the club. If thats true then it also is more warranted for the club to take a cut of dances performed.
From what ive noticed any sort of extras from a dancer, they are very cautious and worried about the camera seeing anything. The owner or whomever is obviously watching the cameras very closely, checking for extras and also checking to see whether the dancer got full nude or just topless. Because they have different pricing for nude and topless.
I ate a dancers pussy for an entire song for just a small extra fee. Too bad the snoopy owner couldnt see it and jerk off
I gave the troll grief for speculating about what the guy was making. With the variability of the income streams, we have no foundation on which to speculate. But his fixed expenses aren't rocket science. I've already laid out the breadcrumbs in various posts above. I don't have the bandwidth to put on a clinic for the business and mathematically challenged.
Suffice it to say that he has a big nut to cover each month and has to earn a living besides. He can't sell alcohol, he has to do it in other ways. I know that this doesn't fit the narrative of simple minded types who need to believe that the big greedy club owner is screwing everyone, but it is what it is. This guy is hardly Walmart or the local electric company, lol.
Yet the whiny fuck who started this thread is complaining like this guy is the local monopoly utility squeezing captive customers for several times its expenses.
Maybe if you look too young they will?
But keep in mind, they dont sell any alcohol. That probably allows some looseness with regards to checking IDs?