Owner is greedy as hell… do OTC whenever you can

i thought this was quite normal sc procedure in the usa.

Not always Jascoi, some clubs only take roughly 20 percent of money earned from VIP Generally they don't take any tips away from dancers. The most I've seen is 30 percent of a VIP to the house, and that's almost always a 200 plus dollar VIP. This manager is gouging at 50 percent.

Jascoi doing it this way is misleading. When you ask the customer to “pay $20 to the house” the customer is under the impression the house fee is taken care of. Also the cameras in VIP rooms a lot of times can just be for liability reasons or for show…. But in this clubs case they are actively monitored down to the second.

Look at for instance the house in DC. The customers pay a one time $50 fee to the bar for a stamp which is a house fee. After that, each dancer sets their own prices. $20 a song or more or less. Since dancers are setting their own prices, theres much less monitoring done by the club since theyee not going to bother timing and monitoring when the dancer started the dance how long it went for etc.

At showcase, even if a dancer wanted to give you free dances/extra time in the VIP rooms she would be unable to because the owner is charging her for how long she stays in that room.

Years ago, I was at a club which had lap dances and VIP's which provided more privacy. The lap dances were very reasonable, but the dancer said that they were extremely limited and I would most likely be disappointed. The VIP's had much more freedom, but were way more expensive. She told me she didn't want to do VIP's because she had to share the VIP money with the club while she could keep all the money from a lap dance. But the club put a lot of pressure on her to use the lap dance to up sell to a VIP. She hated working there and was quitting. She suggested that we forget about a lap dance and she would do some very discreet stick shifting at my table and I could tip her, as I deem appropriate. Bingo! That was a great suggestion.

Showcase has always been a little hood, but it managed to be a decent club in spite of it's odd management and ever-changing rules because they had a rock solid stable of quality girls for years. It peaked just after they first put in the first private dance room. Was basically just a lapdance factory when all the dances were done in the corner to the left of the stage. Don't go looking for the corner because last time I was there it was curtained off into makeshift dance rooms. The club is way past it's prime, but I hear it can still be fun. At least the manager who used to stand around yelling at everyone to clap after every dancer set is gone now...

Wisetoo possibly but handjobs are pointless. You need a BBBJ and DATY if you’re paying

A house fee is different from a VIP fee. A 20% VIP cut for the house along with tip out for the VIP host is normal. A $20 house fee is extremely low. Also, management always has its special girls that do ITC and managers get a cut of that.

All the private dances are referred to as VIP and there is a $20 one time fee for each girl you want to take to VIP as well as $40 per song nude of which management keeps half the money.

There are clubs that do that. It's not right but it isn't out of the norm. Independent clubs are almost never good for dancers.

Using rick's logic, law firm partners are pimps.

And you think an OTC girl isn't giving some/all of her earnings to a handler?

One point I take away from this post, though, which isn't really new information, is that over the years, I have avoided clubs where the clubs take what I feel are excessive cuts of dancer earnings. What's "excessive"? It's subjective and relative. The same applies to girls that I know have traditional pimps.m

As far as the owner tracking times via computer logging and cameras.....would YOU trust the girls to report 100% of their LD time?

Just as clubs provide a place for PLs to view a buffet of girls, clubs provide a safe venue for the girls to ply their trade. Club owners deserve to be paid for providing that service.

Funontheside… i just checked to verify, and several guys, including you, were under the impression that the dancers here just have some sort of honor agreement where they refuse to dance for less than $40.
We know this would never be possible in a free market scenario. Obviously if a dancer is making $0 sitting around, some dancers will consider dancing for $20 per song. This is even further proven by the fact, that all the dancers here in fact do earn $20 per nude lapdance, not the $40 many people thought.

An OTC stripper very possibly may not be giving money to a handler. That is why many on this site prefer strippers to escorts. The concern with escorts is safety, if a client will rob them or worse. There are many high end escorts, who dont have handlers and instead have a screening process where they ask the client for personal info.

The value of an OTC stripper, is she already does the vetting while in the club. Of course some OTC stripper’s will still have pimps, but many wont have them. Meeting the client in person at the club, allows them to vet clients and not meet guys who they are afraid could rob them or not pay or hurt them.

The problem with the way showcase does things is they make clients feel that there is only a $20 house fee for each girl the client wants to dance with. Yes obviously girls wouldnt be honest with their LD time, bur they wouldnt need to be, if the club only charged a $20 house fee. If the club just charged that $20 fee, dancers could basically set their own pricing and give customers extra time if they wanted.

By the way i doubt anyone has a traditional pimp nowadays. There might be some latina girls which are pimped by a cartel or gang. Most of the girls with pimps have boyfriend pimps. Some dont need them and instead have a screening process. The closest thing to a traditional pimp might be an agency owner or strip club owner. It doesnt make sense otherwise for 20 or 30 girls to have the same pimp.

Strippers… pornstars… high end escorts.. and seeking girls are all less likely to have pimps and handlers. The seeking girls are pretty much the same thing.. since theyll meet for dates, they can do vetting that way. No need for a leech handler then who will take half your earnings.

Yes.. all the strip club owners deserve is the first movers advantage of providing a venue for dancers to meet clients. But eventually, if enough trust is established, things should move OTC. The same thing happens with personal trainers at gyms and their clients… even happens in the consulting industry.. and anywhere else there is a middleman involved.

Id argue that the majority of providers have managers. Anyways. Depending on your locale. Its the same girls using different platforms to attract clientele.

If you include all providers including the street walkers yes… also maybe all providers who charge under $250 an hour…

Youre also ignoring a huge segment of providers who are agency girls. An agency if its a true agency will often have an owner, separate people for security, and a separate person handling bookings. There is no one manager who collects half their money and keeps it. A portion of their earnings is take but also used to pay other employees.

When you get to the $400+ hourly range, it’s considered high end escorts. And a lot of these women dont need managers or pimps. They often will collect photo IDs and/or ask you to send them an electronic deposit (which will give them your real legal name).

Nobody wants to give away their earnings to someone else. It’s something done out of necessity when it happens.

If theyve got a pimp, they wouldnt really bother asking your personal info. The personal info is specifically so they can possibly run background checks or report you to your workplace/police. The pimped out girls will send you an address as soon as you inquire or sometimes just ask for a pic of you or ask your age and race. A lot of escorts dont see black men but the pimped ones especially dont

As long as you're okay paying $xx for an experience, it's between the club and the girl how the funds are distributed.

If they don't like how the club is run, they work elsewhere. There was once a guy who ran multiple clubs, and the girls were notoriously miserable. It was because the owner took a large cut of thru earnings. Their solution was to demand a matching tip for LDs, which resulted in those clubs not being among the top choices for PLs. An issue such as the Showcase ultimately fixes itself. For example, I've been to Showcase only twice, and while I enjoy the stage show method there, I avoided LDs because of the $20 + $40 model. Eventually the girls get tired of being told "no", and they go elsewhere, at least to the extent that they can.

Funontheside. That's pretty much how it is. But usually the girls are there because they can't get hired elsewhere. They're trapped and the club takes advantage of that.

Rickmacrodong. Maybe your location is different. In my experience its rare for any provider to be fully independent. Vetting is rarely done by the girls themselves. How fast they accept an offer is more about how fast they need cash. Agencies are just covers like modeling agencies or booking agents. Honestly though none of that matters to clientele

Thanks for info. I have been there but not got a LD partly because prices are not posted and partly because sound system sucks and in past at other clubs I got extra charged because I could not tell when one song ended and next one started.

The songs are long… it seems theyre 4 minutes or at least 3.5 minutes. The dancer should be able to give you 1.5 songs as a courtesy if you start halfway through a song. That’s happened to me so i got 5-6 minutes while paying for a single $40 lapdance only.

On the other hand you could get scammed. A guy i was with paid $40 for a nude dance, apparently the girl didnt take her bottoms off, and only danced for 30 seconds.. which is crazy

FFS dude they have to make money somehow. They can't sell alcohol, so they have to get it from somewhere.

^please dont curse… restrain yourself

Go fuck yourself, lol. You're acting like a moron.

You're criticizing the club for making ends meet the only way it reasonably can. $5 Solo cups, cheap non-alcoholic beverages and inconsistent dancer house fees certainly aren't going to pay the club's bills and provide the owner with a living.

The entrance fee is $30. They get at least 10 customers if not 30 on friday night. Entrance fee alone gets them 100k a year.

Then beyond that, yes $5 solo cups, plus they get $20 from each customer anytime they take a dancer into VIP.

It should end there. Those factors alone bring in enough money. But the owner is a tatted guy who looks like a junkie; looks like deadpool when he lost the costume.

And please mate.. restrain yourself with the language

The owner is probably getting 600k+ a year when it should be 300k tops.

He doesnt have a manager, just a front desk girl and the DJ who acts as the manager, plus a cop who we dont know whether hes gettinng paid or not and that might be only on fridays saturdays

How the fuck do you know what the owner is earning? Or what his expenses include?

He has to cover the front desk girl and the DJ year round, including through slow periods. And you had better believe that the cop is getting paid - they don't work for free.

You also have no idea what his other commercial expenses are. His utility bill alone must be huge. Then there is rent/mortgage expenses, building maintenance, whatever licensing fees he has to pay the local government, etc., etc.

You're a fucktard. Oops, there goes my language again. 😉

Entrance fee is $20, but friday and Saturday after 10pm i believe, is $30. That is pure income for the owner/club. You can roughly see how many people are attending the club and see hes getting decent money off entrance fees alone, plus the red cups.

Front desk girl is a low wage job probably getting paid $12 an hour. The DJ also fills in as a manager. And probably gets no more than 40k a year. These are not high paying jobs bro. The cop works part time, on Friday Saturday nights only. Minimal expense.
The house earning $20 per lapdance is more than reasonable. They should just do a one time $50 stamp for customers to use VIP as much as they want, and then directly pay the dancer whatever price they agree on for dances.

Comon mate… if hes getting 200k income after all expenses and salaries are paid thats more than reasonable… but he wants that doctor lawyer salary

We need to come together and stick to OTC as much as possible.

Theyve got cameras in every VIP room anyway, and the owner is literally snooping in checking whether the dancer is topless Or full nude because they have different prices for those options (lol).

Imagine your dayjob being leeching money off dancers and checking them in private lap dance rooms to verify whether or not they took their underwear off. Its ridiculous. It should be up to the dancer’s discretion to do a nude dance and any potential price increase involved.

At the end of the day hes a legal pimp. A pimp is a pimp. Hes just a legalized version of one. Even gangsta pimps often take half their girls money

So now you think you know how much he pays people AND what he should be allowed to make for himself? And don't think that the cop is getting paid peanuts. Cops doing private venue gigs typically get paid at overtime rates and that comes right out of the venue's pocket.

This guy easily has fixed overhead costs of $20 - 25k per month that he has to clear before he earns a nickel for himself. And yes, he probably wants to earn a decent return on all of his efforts and risks.

The only way a nude juice bar can survive is to take a decent cut of the dancer VIP/LD haul. This guy isn't much different than most management in similar nude juice bar establishments, except maybe he's a bit more obvious about it.

Comon mate… its a ghetto warehouse venue in maryland… i doubt those warehouses have to pay standard commercial building rates

Please restrain yourself…

I'm sure he's paying plenty. In fact, I'm likely underestimating his monthly nut.

So now maybe think more carefully before coming on a club discussion page and calling the club's owner a pimp simply for earning the money to keep the lights on and himself fed.

Save your time Dugan. This asshat reviewed the byob club around the corner a few days ago, with roughly the same prices in a dead club on a weekend night. It’s clearly the market price and showcase is busy on weekend nights. He’s a troll who gets off by extending conversations with inane comments and questions or bumping old threads. And a poor troll at that. Very reminiscent of champphilly.

I reviewed the body shop yes.. but it wasnt a good review. $30 isnt the market price at all.. “market price” subjective. Its the only 2 clubs in the area so they can set their prices. Theres clubs in dc with cheaper or no entrance fees.

As far as the owners fees its a ghetto warehouse area thats been reworked to be a club. I doubt the operating expenses are that high. And regardless, a pimp is anyone who takes a cut of money from someone else who earned that money via sexual services. Of course, legally speaking a lapdance isnt sex, hence being a club owner is legal. But technically speaking, its just a legalized pimp.

Hank you need to restrain yourself, please

Beyond all that, how many clubs do you know where theres a separate dance price for nude vs topless, where the owner is meticulously watching every VIP room to verify whether the dancer took her top off or both her bottoms and her top off? He shouldn’t even be watching a private dance to begin with, it should be between the dancer and customer what she takes off and what she does in there

Topless dances are $30, nude are $40.

Even if a dancer was willing to sell you a full nude dance for $30, she wouldn’t be able to do it because the guy would be like “oh you took your underwear off so you need to pay me $20 not $15”

Comon now that’s just ridiculous

EABOD

Show restraint, please

GFY

Rick im wondering now… were you only/mostly defending the club owner because hes middle aged, white and tatted up…

It takes a "special" type to defend exploitive strip club owners. The overhead for these clubs is pretty low. Wages are low and are supplemented by the dancers' tip out. These types of places generally take advantage of dancers who for whatever reason can't work elsewhere.

I don't think what's described in the thread is pimping. Its a common practice in independent clubs. If he gets a cut of extras performed. Takes money from pimps to hire their girls. That would be pimping. And isn't uncommon

Even a ghetto industrial property in DC suburbs is not cheap. And, a club comes with legal fees and various other legal expenses.

Furthermore, pulling down $200k in DC suburbs is not flex territory.

A club owner can (and should) charge whatever he wants to customer and dancers. It's up to dancers and customers to stop patronizing / working at clubs with excessive fees. But, it's not like there are currently a plethora of good (or any) clubs in the DMV. So, unless/until someone enters the market with a profitable strip club which more fairly allows dancers to make money, the club's owner should benefit from doing what others have been unable to provide.

What you mention in the third paragraph, is how a free market would ideally work. Customers and dancers can simply go elsewhere, or go OTC if the rates and fees are too high.

However we arent in a true free market. Clubs have licensing laws and thus are basically using government to create a monopoly situation. All those licensing laws and other regulations aren’t supposed to exist- but obviously will help prevent or reduce new clubs from opening up.

So in a free market situation, yes, if a bad club exists, someone else can easily open up another one thats better for dancers and customers. But in a monopoly situation, there is no other club for dancers and customers to go to. In this case they would have to go to ebony inn, or further out to either DC or baltimore. Those cities come with their own restrictions and their own drawbacks working the clubs there. Plus theres no guarantee they will gain employment there- after all a lot ot the showcase dancers are older… and their stage dances are a lot of twerking so they may not be a fit at other clubs.

Even 100k in the dc area is enough to live comfortably. You can easily find a place for 800k, or a million bucks. It just wont be as large as what you could get for the same money if you were 20+ miles away from dc.

There arent many who can make 200k. Youd need to be a lawyer or doctor or, a finance or tech professional at the manager or higher level.

Theres only one way, to truly bring the market back in your hands

You've made my point for me, Rick....the club owner can gouge away, as he has limited competition.

As far as owning a $800k home on a $100k salary, I'm interested in knowing which financial advisor you consult.

Funontheside its easily doable. Its called getting a loan…a mortgage. I never said you have to buy it outright. Someone pulling 100k can easily put 3-4k, even 5k a month towards rent or a mortgage

This guy easily has fixed overhead costs of $20 - 25k per month that he has to clear before he earns a nickel for himself. With a club which cannot sell alcohol. And yes, he probably wants to earn a decent return on all of his efforts and risks.

I'm not "defending" him. I'm just a finance guy and a business owner who can reasonably guess what he's dealing with. To add, he also needs to make enough during the fat months to ride out the lean ones.

But if you don't like it the answer is simple - don't go there. Go to another club. Or a ball game in DC or B'more. Or find a SB. Or do anything else. It is purely discretionary entertainment.

The dancers aren't captive either. Indeed dancing is one of the most highly mobile professions in the country. A hot girl can leave one club and be on shift at another in a blink of an eye. If it wasn't worth it to them, you can bet that they wouldn't be there.

But how sir rick? A dirty lil warehouse out in a back alley in a cheap part of maryland is that expensive? If his costs are that high he might only be going home with 60-70k earnings

Also what about the nearby bodyshop? Wouldnt that place have the same expenses. Yet its usually empty. Barely any dancers, barely any customers. A dancer told me theres not even a house fee for the $30 topless dances only the $40 nude ones

Rickdugan attacked rickmacrodong for assuming the clubs finances. Then goes on to assume the clubs finances as if that proves his point . 🤡 😂

Independent clubs price gouge and are sketchy. That's how they stay in business.

Also keep in mind that its basically a cash business.

Elsombra, Guesstimating his basic overhead floor is not hard. He has a lease or mortgage on a 4,163 s.f. commercial building, his utility bill is easily in the thousands and he has at least two W-9 employees as well a rent-a-cop that is probably getting paid at overtime rates.

If anything, I'm guessing on the low side.

And of course that also includes inventory expenses, property taxes and insurance and building maintenance. Even if he is leasing, he still has all of these as most standalone commercial structures are rented out under triple-net leases. He also has to pay an accountant to file his quarterlies and annual return and may have to contract bookkeeping services as well.

Socis this coub black and ghetto? Is it worth it as a dancer?

Its not that ghetto, it just looks kind of ghetto from the outside area. It has mostly latina girls and some black girls working. The clientele I would say likewise are mostly latino, with a minority of white, black sometimes indian customers.
I heard dancers may actually be employees and paid a small hourly wage? Otherwise the ways to make money are from stage tips, or some dancers perform lap dances out on the main floor/seating area for $20 per song (dancer keeps all), or the VIP dances, customer pays $20 house fee to bar, and pays dancer $30 per topless song and $40 per nude song. Dancer only keeps half that money the customer hands to her.

From what i see most dancers on fridays saturdays only manage to sell a couple private dances but some dancers are good at selling and sell 10-15 songs on fridays/saturdays. I havent gone on a weekday yet but heard its very empty. Even if they sell 10-15 songs thats only $200-$300 earned by the dancer so i think most dancers here must need to work a day job unless they also do OTC or have someone helping with bills.

Sir Rick also keep in mind clubs operating hours are only 9pm to 6pm… the rent cop may only be there friday and Saturday nights

9pm to 3am i meant

Rickdugan you told him he can't guess the clubs budget and revenue and you're doing the same. What if scenarios are exactly that.

Anyways. None of this really matters to customers. For the vast majority there's no vested interest in the detailed finances of the club.

I'm used to clubs that have set prices posted in them. And that's what I pay. When a dancer has to pay a percentage to the house. That's for her to pay not for the customer to subsidize. Ill tip generously. But I won't haggle

The fact that Showcase is far busier than BodyShop proves that customers nor dancers care how much of a cut is taken by the owner.

Showcase offers a better experience for both customers and dancers.

Ebony Inn takes a $35-$85 house fee from dancers (depending on day/entry time), while allowing dancers to keep 100% of the $10 dance fees. Each club has a different operating model, each having its pros and cons....just as mainstream businesses within an industry have different operating models.

One could argue that EI is more greedy than Showcase, due to charging up to $20 cover, $10 to park, $6 for beer / $14 for liquor, and house fees for dancers.

So, singling out Showcase's owner for trying to make a living is a bit unfair.

Showcase has the same cut as the bodyshop possibly?

Regarding ebony inn, if the $10 is kept by dancers that means each dancer can set their own rates cant they? Some could give you a deal for buying 10 dances, or they could charge $20 if they want instead of $10? I would think any club where dancers keep 100%, they can also set their own prices?

Yeah, we discussed ebony inns parking situation which may not even be fully legal how they do that. I dont think they own that parking lot, but they probably can just refuse entry to anyone who doesnt pay the $10 parking fee.

I admit my OP may be exaggerated incorrect if Mr Dugans numbers are correct. Im not sure about the utilities costing thousands of $ per month because the club is open 6 hours a night.. bathrooms arent used that much and they arent using much water for anything else, there isnt that much of an area to air condition, its much less than a full sized house which will have $200-$300 electrical bill in the summer.

But regardless if their expenses are really over 20k a month then i was incorrect… someone told me the dancers may actually be getting paid there hourly and are employees of the club. If thats true then it also is more warranted for the club to take a cut of dances performed.

From what ive noticed any sort of extras from a dancer, they are very cautious and worried about the camera seeing anything. The owner or whomever is obviously watching the cameras very closely, checking for extras and also checking to see whether the dancer got full nude or just topless. Because they have different pricing for nude and topless.

I ate a dancers pussy for an entire song for just a small extra fee. Too bad the snoopy owner couldnt see it and jerk off

===> "Rickdugan you told him he can't guess the clubs budget and revenue and you're doing the same. What if scenarios are exactly that."

I gave the troll grief for speculating about what the guy was making. With the variability of the income streams, we have no foundation on which to speculate. But his fixed expenses aren't rocket science. I've already laid out the breadcrumbs in various posts above. I don't have the bandwidth to put on a clinic for the business and mathematically challenged.

Suffice it to say that he has a big nut to cover each month and has to earn a living besides. He can't sell alcohol, he has to do it in other ways. I know that this doesn't fit the narrative of simple minded types who need to believe that the big greedy club owner is screwing everyone, but it is what it is. This guy is hardly Walmart or the local electric company, lol.

Yet the whiny fuck who started this thread is complaining like this guy is the local monopoly utility squeezing captive customers for several times its expenses.

Comon dickrugan.. i admitted you may be correct.. no need to lose restraint and use curse words…

TCabot, they dont even look at IDs. You pay the entrance fee and thats it. The cops just ask to see your receipt then mark your hand.

Maybe if you look too young they will? But keep in mind, they dont sell any alcohol. That probably allows some looseness with regards to checking IDs?