Guy from London decides to come to two of the most dangerous cities on his visit to the United States. Most of the PLs here completely understand, meanwhile 99% of the rest of America is going WTF?
Remember, wear your tracksuit and gold chains and you’ll fit in just fine. Do they call those guys “pikers” over there? I can’t remember?!?
If I were your attorney @londonguy, I would advise you to skip the STL clubs entirely to save money for more events in Detroit. You've got a great choice in clubs in the few towns to the west of Detroit, going from low-end to high-end: Bogart's, Henry VIII, Silver Cricket, Subi's, BT's Executive Club, Landing Strip and Flight Club. And at the higher end, BT's LS and FC, there are some absolutely gorgeous women. LS is my personal favorite and recommendation - plenty of women working just as hot as flight club but slightly lower costs.
Just about everything can be negotiated at these joints, just make sure you read reviews so you have a good idea what a fair asking price is.
Also, be prepared for those "skip fees". The skip fee is a weird thing about the Detroit scene that will be less annoying if you anticipate it. Mandatory valet at many places too. If you Uber/lyft you don't have to pay valet, however, be aware that it can sometimes take awhile to get a ride share home, so plan to order ahead of time.
Are you going to drop any reports on the scene in Warsaw? I'm curious about this!
@ RonJax2. Thanks for the tips/advice. I already have the intention of going to FC on the layover from LHR to St Louis and FC and one other on the layover going back to UK. Can you please enlighten me about the 'skip fees' ? Over the years I have read so much about LS and FS so I am really looking forward to it. Feel free to PM me if you wish.
I will be staying at one of the bunch of hotels just North of the airport.
I will go to one or two STL clubs at most, just for the sake of saying I have been.
Warsaw was a bit of a let-down but that was partly due to me procrastinating.
Ronjax gave you the big picture for Detroit suburbs. I wrote an article a few months ago.
If you have limited time you must visit Flight Club. Bring cash. Second stop would be Landing Strip. 3rd option is BTs... but it's hit and miss enough I'd call it a distant 3rd. Good news is that if you catch a dud of a night at FC either of the others is only a 15 minute uber ride.
If a girl gets called up.to stage while in the vip with you.... she'll have to pay to be skipped on stage.
Pro tip.... tip a girl you like on stage well. Assuming it's not busy, she'll usually stop right over at your table. Most girls here don't work up enough sweat on stage to need to freshen up after a stage sets. They save the sweating for the workouts you give them in VIP.
Guys on here will tell you to shoot for 300 in vip. IME if you have limited time and prefer the early 20s 9s over 7s .... you'll find all the fun you.want for 500.
@londonguy, as @3131 mentioned, the club charges a skip fee to a dancer who misses her rotation on stage. At LS and FC, I believe these are in the neighborhood of $40-50. I think at both clubs, it's technically supposed to be a fee paid by the dancer, but inevitably the dancer will ask you to cover it.
As 3131 mentions, one way to avoid is to talk to a dancer for privates right after she finishes a set. Another strategy is to tell a dancer you're talking to something like, "Let's wait until after your next set to go downstairs/upstairs." Some dancers may not want to wait, time is money for these ladies.
Alternatively, just budget for a skip fee so at least you don't feel ambushed by the request. Rooms are really cheap in Detroit (even at FC, it's like $40 for no specified amount of time) but the skip fee is one way the club makes up for the cheap room costs.
One other thought for you: I've found that as a frequent traveler to extras clubs all over the US, including Detroit, I'm often quoted prices a little higher than what locals reporting experience. You'll be marked as a tourist by your London lilt, whether it's east end or west end, lol. Claiming to be a frequent visitor is the antidote to this problem. "I've been to the club a bunch, I come here often on biz travel."
@ RonJax2 - I haven't got a London accent at all. I set up the handle when in London one day and to make it obvious I was a Brit, though CJ thinks my handle should be LondonEnglandGuy. I actually have a mild Geordie (pronounced jawdee) accent. It's a long story and won't bore everyone to death. Essentially tough I am still obviously English.
Yeah you really can't go too wrong with Detroit. Really the western suburban clubs like Flight Club, BT's and Landing Strip. Believe it or not after WW2 it was the per capita richest city in America. It is no longer that. If you want to do a see the Detroit ruins tour do it in the morning. Sort of a morbid fascination. You would think Detroit might be more urban like a NYC or Philly, na it's more built for the car so once it get out the immediate downtown area it get's pretty suburban quickly. Should be gambling downtown as well and even across the northern border that you travel south to go over in Windsor, Ontario.
Whatever you do though NEVER listen to American progressive liberals that you will find in our country that say "oh everything is fine, enjoy our culture, oh everything is wonderful safe, and delightful and if you don't think so, you are a hateful bigot" DON'T listen to them, don't do it, they will get you FUCKED UP. They are a seriously mentally deranged group of people, like a box of frogs. Many of us who get their ass up every day and actually work for a living try to stay as far away from them and their crook loving libtopias as possible.
Just your common sense and basic instincts, those are two of the most dangerous cities in the United States (in certain areas) If don't look right, just get back in the car and get fuck out of there. It's ok nobody is going to think your a racist.
@londonguy to get back to your question of how long you will have, it depends on the dancer. Usually it's until you bust a nut if you've pre-negotiated a service. Some dancers will ask for more money if you take longer, but I don't know what that threshold is (and it would depend on the dancer too), 20-30 mins sounds about right. I don't think this comes up that often because both dancer and PL alike have an incentive for you to pop quickly.
Also worth noting, you can negotiate up front for more time. Last time I was at LS, I negotiated with one dancer to spend the remainder of the night with a dancer. If I remember correctly, we had maybe 75 mins until the club closed, and I paid $500 for her time plus services rendered for that hour and change. A few dudes flamed me in that review for spending that much, but I think I got a deal given she was giving amazing lap dances, and the cost was definitely cheaper than if I had paid $40 per song.
I've only had one girl complain about taking too long and that was at FC. Granted, other reviewers were telling me that I driving too low a price, but I was expecting her to counter to the middle and I would've accepted. 20-30 is a good average, but I've seen girls take much longer than that (I know, because I was waiting for them :))
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Remember, wear your tracksuit and gold chains and you’ll fit in just fine. Do they call those guys “pikers” over there? I can’t remember?!?
Just about everything can be negotiated at these joints, just make sure you read reviews so you have a good idea what a fair asking price is.
Also, be prepared for those "skip fees". The skip fee is a weird thing about the Detroit scene that will be less annoying if you anticipate it. Mandatory valet at many places too. If you Uber/lyft you don't have to pay valet, however, be aware that it can sometimes take awhile to get a ride share home, so plan to order ahead of time.
Are you going to drop any reports on the scene in Warsaw? I'm curious about this!
Over the years I have read so much about LS and FS so I am really looking forward to it. Feel free to PM me if you wish.
I will be staying at one of the bunch of hotels just North of the airport.
I will go to one or two STL clubs at most, just for the sake of saying I have been.
Warsaw was a bit of a let-down but that was partly due to me procrastinating.
@shailynn, not sure to be honest about that one.
If you have limited time you must visit Flight Club. Bring cash. Second stop would be Landing Strip. 3rd option is BTs... but it's hit and miss enough I'd call it a distant 3rd.
Good news is that if you catch a dud of a night at FC either of the others is only a 15 minute uber ride.
If a girl gets called up.to stage while in the vip with you.... she'll have to pay to be skipped on stage.
Pro tip.... tip a girl you like on stage well. Assuming it's not busy, she'll usually stop right over at your table. Most girls here don't work up enough sweat on stage to need to freshen up after a stage sets. They save the sweating for the workouts you give them in VIP.
Not long to go now. I'm taking circa $1.5 k, that should be enough.
As 3131 mentions, one way to avoid is to talk to a dancer for privates right after she finishes a set. Another strategy is to tell a dancer you're talking to something like, "Let's wait until after your next set to go downstairs/upstairs." Some dancers may not want to wait, time is money for these ladies.
Alternatively, just budget for a skip fee so at least you don't feel ambushed by the request. Rooms are really cheap in Detroit (even at FC, it's like $40 for no specified amount of time) but the skip fee is one way the club makes up for the cheap room costs.
One other thought for you: I've found that as a frequent traveler to extras clubs all over the US, including Detroit, I'm often quoted prices a little higher than what locals reporting experience. You'll be marked as a tourist by your London lilt, whether it's east end or west end, lol. Claiming to be a frequent visitor is the antidote to this problem. "I've been to the club a bunch, I come here often on biz travel."
LS has the big back room for $40. You gotta ask the guy at the bottom of the stairs if the big room is open. Small room is $20.
@ RonJax2 - I haven't got a London accent at all. I set up the handle when in London one day and to make it obvious I was a Brit, though CJ thinks my handle should be LondonEnglandGuy. I actually have a mild Geordie (pronounced jawdee) accent. It's a long story and won't bore everyone to death. Essentially tough I am still obviously English.
Whatever you do though NEVER listen to American progressive liberals that you will find in our country that say "oh everything is fine, enjoy our culture, oh everything is wonderful safe, and delightful and if you don't think so, you are a hateful bigot" DON'T listen to them, don't do it, they will get you FUCKED UP. They are a seriously mentally deranged group of people, like a box of frogs. Many of us who get their ass up every day and actually work for a living try to stay as far away from them and their crook loving libtopias as possible.
Just your common sense and basic instincts, those are two of the most dangerous cities in the United States (in certain areas) If don't look right, just get back in the car and get fuck out of there. It's ok nobody is going to think your a racist.
Also worth noting, you can negotiate up front for more time. Last time I was at LS, I negotiated with one dancer to spend the remainder of the night with a dancer. If I remember correctly, we had maybe 75 mins until the club closed, and I paid $500 for her time plus services rendered for that hour and change. A few dudes flamed me in that review for spending that much, but I think I got a deal given she was giving amazing lap dances, and the cost was definitely cheaper than if I had paid $40 per song.