Iowa Caucus results
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Pres. Donald Trump: 51.05%
Gov. Ron DeSantis: 21.23%
Gov. Nikki Haley: 19.12%
Vivek Ramaswamy: 7.66% (suspended campaign and endorsed Pres. Trump)
I liked a lot of what Vivek had to say during his TV appearances and campaign stops. He presented himself as intelligent, very likeable, and willing to push back against lies and seek common ground. During debates he was a snotty little asshole.
I like Nikki Haley and was considering supporting her but, later in the campaign, there were just too many reports and revelations about her that indicated she was just another establishment Republican. More on the establishment Republican problem later.
Gov. DeSantis is almost Trump Lite. I was very dissatisfied with his marketing during his first gubernatorial run as being nearly cloned from Trump and parroting everything he said. That is why he won by less than 0.5% in 2018. His record, and contrast boosted by abhorrent democrat choice of Charlie Christ, won him the landslide in his 2022 re-election. What hurt him in Iowa is that he has not really differentiated his policies from Trump. He seems to be the Trump alternative if the criminal democrat party wins their unlawful political persecution of Trump and finds the silver bullet they need to ban him from taking office.
Our country needs a leader which will challenge the status quo, put America first, and take bold action to address and undo all of the damage that Obama, Brandon, and the democrat party have done to this nation. The establishment, this ruling class (perhaps even a "Uni-party"), has only their best interest, their self-enrichment, and their perpetuation of power in mind. They do not care about the working and middle-class except what we provide to them in revenue (taxes, investments, donations, etc.). This really narrows it down to DeSantis and Trump, and it looks like Trump may run into the RNC with another huge nomination win. I would not be surprised if Haley wins two of the next three primaries in NH and SC, but the Rand Paul statements during his endorsement of Trump were another blow against her electability in Conservatives' eyes. DeSantis remains the only wild card, and will be unable to win as long as Trump is also in contention.
Gov. Ron DeSantis: 21.23%
Gov. Nikki Haley: 19.12%
Vivek Ramaswamy: 7.66% (suspended campaign and endorsed Pres. Trump)
I liked a lot of what Vivek had to say during his TV appearances and campaign stops. He presented himself as intelligent, very likeable, and willing to push back against lies and seek common ground. During debates he was a snotty little asshole.
I like Nikki Haley and was considering supporting her but, later in the campaign, there were just too many reports and revelations about her that indicated she was just another establishment Republican. More on the establishment Republican problem later.
Gov. DeSantis is almost Trump Lite. I was very dissatisfied with his marketing during his first gubernatorial run as being nearly cloned from Trump and parroting everything he said. That is why he won by less than 0.5% in 2018. His record, and contrast boosted by abhorrent democrat choice of Charlie Christ, won him the landslide in his 2022 re-election. What hurt him in Iowa is that he has not really differentiated his policies from Trump. He seems to be the Trump alternative if the criminal democrat party wins their unlawful political persecution of Trump and finds the silver bullet they need to ban him from taking office.
Our country needs a leader which will challenge the status quo, put America first, and take bold action to address and undo all of the damage that Obama, Brandon, and the democrat party have done to this nation. The establishment, this ruling class (perhaps even a "Uni-party"), has only their best interest, their self-enrichment, and their perpetuation of power in mind. They do not care about the working and middle-class except what we provide to them in revenue (taxes, investments, donations, etc.). This really narrows it down to DeSantis and Trump, and it looks like Trump may run into the RNC with another huge nomination win. I would not be surprised if Haley wins two of the next three primaries in NH and SC, but the Rand Paul statements during his endorsement of Trump were another blow against her electability in Conservatives' eyes. DeSantis remains the only wild card, and will be unable to win as long as Trump is also in contention.
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If so in what order?
I love DeSantis' willingness to go to the mat for conservative policies, but he's known to be a standoffish guy. He'd be a great president but he's a horrible candidate. The more Haley talks, the more I think she's a squish who'll be only slightly to the right of Biden, content to slightly slow the march of progressivism rather than undo the damage Biden has wreaked. Vivek always seemed to be jockeying for a position in a Trump administration; if so, he might be Trump's heir apparent.
I called Trump to win the general a year ago, and I've only increased that conviction since then.
Interesting to see the polls for New Hampshire where there are more college educated and affluent republican voters. Trump isn’t polling well. I voted for him twice, but after January 6th, never again. That was real news.
Jascoi is right. I won't vote Trump in the primary, but I'd elect a dogturd taco before I would vote for a disaster like Biden.
awful choices since 2000!!
I’m not a fan of Biden, however 70% of the population views Trump unfavorably. Biden is the lesser of two dummies.
Way past the time for Trump move from the spotlight of the Presidency. He has personality traits that have made him an effective leader but are also very divisive. He has a obnoxious public persona. I’m not sure he can win.
Biden is a train wreck. Weak and a proven liar.
Not much of a choice.
I'll be voting for Desantis in the primary when it comes around. He'd be a great president but yeah I was frustrated with the campaign. I mean dude why can't you do what RFK and Vivek were doing and going on every platform that would have you. If you know your stuff, those situations won't scare you off and should be great opportunities for people to get to know you. Going on fox news for 5 minutes every week just ain't enough. He started doing more towards the end but it was probably too little, too late.
I'll also look hard at RFK. He's left of me but I think he's a good dude and authentic. I disagree on a lot but I'm also lock step with him on a lot of other stuff. Common sense type dude I could live in a country where he's president.
Vivek had the balls to say some wild shit that is important we have a conversation about that the liberal media shuts down all the time so it was good to just get out there. He's came off obnoxious at times, but he clearly a real high IQ guy and I think he's a got big future. He does have to shave his sideburns though nobody is going to trust a guy looking like a fucking riverboat gambler.
Trump, he's a real divisive and not my first choice but I got to admit he does piss off the liberal elite like nobody else and that counts for something. I mean I see it around my neck of the woods all the time and it's throughout this country. Wine drinking, liberal coastal elite in their Manhattan ivory towers pushing radical policies that ultimately regular folks down below always end up having to pay the price for. So a good rule of thumb for me is any candidate that they don't like is who I know is who I should be voting for.
44% Mar a Lardo
37% Haley
18% DeSastrous
Biden deserves a lot of criticism for not helping local governments to feed and house the asylum parolees until they find work. But I guess the Trumpers thinks he can fix it by throwing rolls of paper towels at them? Congress controls the asylum laws.
Me too!!!!!!
Biden is a tard to.
Now get to the club where we don't have to talk about this shit.
I was going to vote for DeSantis in the primaries, but Trump is gathering a lot of support from people I respect like Cruz, Paul, Vivek, and Rubio. That counts for something. The Republican party needs to remind people that it was the democrat party and the liberals who caused all of the chaos from 2016-2020, not Trump. The Republican party needs to remind people that it was the democrat party and their liberal allies who caused all of the chaos from 2016-2020, not Trump. The Republican party needs to remind people that it was China that released COVID into the world, that Trump was right when he called it a lab leak, that Trump was right that masks and distancing and all of that nonsense was useless, that it was democrat party that wanted to lock us down and lock us up. The Republican party needs to show voters that it is the democrat party controlled Senate which is doing nothing and refusing to pass or even consider bills passed by the House of Representatives. They Republican party needs to show Brandon's lies about working cross the aisles for unity and compromise when all he really does is divide, insult, and refuse to all Republican offers of compromise. Finally, the Republican party needs to point that all of the problems- Russia, Islamist terror, China, illegal immigrants, etc.- were all drastically reduced or eliminated during Trump's term and ramped right back up when Brandon signed executive order after executive order on his first day in office. Every day on every network in every conversation, we need to point out all of the above facts and truths. If we can do that, we can stop Biden.
In all seriousness, Sears may be qualified if she completes a couple of terms in the Governor's mansion, or is picked for a high- level cabinet position at some point. Kommielala, the word salad chef, has shown that she does not have what it takes -at all- to lead a cat out of a paper bag, much less the most powerful nation on Earth.
He can’t keep running amok buying votes. This has to stop
The student loan issue is complicated. A lot of teenagers were sold a bill of guods, told that ANY college studies would lead to an increased income, that would more than justify going into debt. (And they didn't at least get them drunk first like we do.) Biden has pushed back on more general student debt cancellation, that would help higher-income people.
It isn't complicated. You entered into a legally binding contract, you honor it. There's no carve out provision for having received bad or outdated advice, as we all did as kids.
“The question here is not whether something the should be done; it is who has the authority to do it.”
Enough said.
Ultra lib justice Kagan hilariously called the ruling political when in fact the 3 leftist justices who dissented are the ones making it political.
So…Biden is trying it again even after being told he can’t. Just shows his total ineptitude. Again, I’m not a Trump guy - it would be horrible if he were elected again. It’s too bad the Republicans can’t come up with a viable candidate. I fear Trump will get the nomination and we have another 4 years of Biden - or worse yet, Harris.
Neither side is blameless, time to vote every member of both houses of congress out of office and let’s find a presidential candidate who is honest and willing to stand up for the right things.
The real way the Democrats buy votes is with do little, do nothing, and do more harm than good government jobs. The people in those jobs know where their bread is buttered, they know who they have to vote for. That's why one of the best anti-poverty programs, the negative income tax (EITC), was created by the Republican Party. It helps the working poor, without creating a big bureaucracy of poverty pimps drawing tax payer funded salaries.
Wonder how this one is going to play out.
Additionally, Nikki is showing herself as a Romney "Republican" who has no principles beyond self-aggrandizement.
Bigly genius
Except that New York tried to do just that to the NRA and gun manufacturers.
Gotcha Sport
Read the specific issues we were discussing before you pop off.
I suspect I’m not a minority in this country, soon we’ll have an election and we will find out how many folks feel the same way as I do.
For democracy to work, people need to recognize the legitimacy of the winners in elections, even when they didn't vote for them. MAGA doesn't accept the current system for determining the winner. The system they want to replace it with is "if we don't win, it's not legitimate". You have to either be very stupid or very dishonest to deny that. And, obviously, that "system" is not consistent with democracy, or democracy limited by individual civil rights. I don't see this as being about Trump personally.
Replace "MAGA" with "a lot of people on both sides" and your statement would be more accurate. Here's some democrat-led attempts to overturn or delegitimize elections. For some reason you chose to omit them, or maybe you just don't remember.
1. The democrats' attempt to overturn the 2016 election results by gaming the electoral college
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/d…
2. The Russian collusion hoax, which was the headline in the NYT and CNN every single day for over two years, was a hoax. It was an attempt to delegitimize Trump's presidency when he won, fair and square.
3. Mrs. Clinton calling Mr. Trump an illegitimate president, years after she lost.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/tr…
Both parties have been hesitant to admit defeat. It's intensified in the last few years, but the democrats seem to be the ones who reignited this in 2016 when their heiress apparent got beat. Either way, both sides need to develop the character to simply admit when you've been beat, and move on.
Years from now historians will look at the failure of all real Americans to throw out the lying cheating Democrats on January 6 as the beginning of the end of this once fine land.
You cannot take a bag of sand, 3 eggs and some motor oil and then make a tasty cake. Similarly, you cannot take away the people who founded and created this once great land, replace them with losers from shithole countries and expect the same results.
Those are false equivalences. Not even close. Hilary conceded the election on election night. It’s on video. The Fat Orange Man falsely declared himself the winner on election night, while votes were still being counted. He pushed his VP to not certify the election. He engineered a scheme to infiltrate the elector system in multiple states. It’s not even close.
Things like him tweeting yesterday 40 times about E Jean Carroll, a woman he raped, on the day of his wedding anniversary? That’s funny and won’t sway votes. Refusing to concede an election he lost WHICH HE HAS STILL NEVER CONCEDED is not ignorable.
Good luck tonight, Nikki.
My examples were not an attempt to establish an equivalence. ilbbaicnl said "people need to recognize the legitimacy of the winners in elections". Hillary may have conceded on election night, but she said years later that the president was not a legitimate one. That's the definition of not "recognizing the legitimacy of the winners in elections."
Was Trump convicted of rape? I was not aware. I do know of a plethora of accusations against Bill Clinton, none of which he has been convicted of either (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Clint… for a list). These aren't the first democrat and republican politicians accused of sexual assault, and they won't be the last. I guess it triggers you that Trump is just so smug, whereas Bill had the discretion to not troll his victims.
When you say things like "Fat Orange Man" you should not expect anyone except those with your same biases to take you seriously. It actually sounds like something childish Trump would say about one of his opponents.
If people would consider adopting a more nuanced political stance instead of sucking the cocks of the politicians who don't give a shit about them, they would be amazed at how childish both sides look. You can still believe in something and not be a tool. They look like this: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GD06NgKWwAAk…
If you want to bring up accusations against other democrats, go ahead. There are another 20+ women who’ve accused the Fat Orange Man of more of the same. Or, you could just believe him when he tells you he did it.
Still looks bad for her. But that can't be the win Trump hoped for.
The American people say they don't want Trump vs. Biden, but they're voting and caucusing for Trump vs. Biden.
True independents, those seeking a shift away from politics-as-usual, are also voting for Trump. Liberals who are able to able to acknowledge the truth and Biden's abysmal failure are voting for Nikki in open primaries. There really is no excuse for voting for Biden unless you are incapable of critical thought, but we can have that discussion in September.
Liberals are vermin. Progressives worse and they are just like Trump supporters.
Wishing he would have ran and the country would have avoided the whole Trump/Biden mess.
There's one serious candidate left in this cycle who can turn America back in a positive direction, and that's Donald Trump.
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pol…
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No, drama queen. Everyone outside the left's circle jerk stopped caring about 1/6 a long time ago. Everyone inside just flogs it to distract from the dumpster fire that is Biden's agenda. If you want to play the fear agenda, at least do so on abortion where you have a SMALL point.
Max cringe on parroted talking points. Only failed climate change predictions sound more alarmist and extreme than that. "Don't give this guy the nuclear codes, it'll be WW3!" they said, immediately preceding a Trump presidency in which America saw the horror of hundreds of rude tweets, but was for once not jumping into every war it could help start.
There is no "end of democracy." Just the slow erosion of it. One way I see this is by allowing non-U.S. citizens to vote. These resources show cases where local government has allowed non-U.S. citizens to vote in local elections. Could be a stepping stone to non-local elections.
https://cis.org/Richwine/Over-42000-NonC…
https://stateline.org/2021/07/01/nonciti…
It's also possible at this point she's being encouraged to stay in to be the Washington Generals to Trump as the Harlem Globetrotters. "Trump wins again" makes good headlines and strokes his ego.
She’ll walk out of this election cycle a rich bitch, probably get a hundred million for a book she’ll get someone to ghostwrite for her etc…………