California AB5 Employee Status; Update/2nd Glance
Muddy
USA
Taking another look AB5 in Calirornia now that’s it’s a few years in and how it affects strippers and what they are saying. Is their some now extreme remorse sense of lament at the realities of these girls are now bringing home vs before? A couple r/stripper makes me think it has been an utter disaster for the dancers there. https://www.reddit.com/r/stripper/commen…
https://www.reddit.com/r/stripper/commen…
https://www.reddit.com/r/stripper/commen…
Some of my best memories mongering have come in the state of California. SoCal is still my favorite part of the country to club in. And although sometimes when things aren’t going well for dancers it’s good for us, I was there last year and OTC/extras was so fucking easy with some dimes but that might’ve true before too I’m not sure how much was AB5. But this kind of stuff can’t be good long term for strip clubs in California.
We might start to see a big talent drain of girls just doing regular jobs if they pay is the same. Hot girls (arguably the most universally coveted skill in the world) are not being allowed to profit off that skill so why deal with the bullshit? For benefits? Do people realize with money you can purchase healthcare you don’t have to get it through your employer, it’s like people don’t that or something. Anyway would love to hear your guys/gals thoughts on what you been seeing and hearing out there when it comes to this issue.
https://www.reddit.com/r/stripper/commen…
https://www.reddit.com/r/stripper/commen…
Some of my best memories mongering have come in the state of California. SoCal is still my favorite part of the country to club in. And although sometimes when things aren’t going well for dancers it’s good for us, I was there last year and OTC/extras was so fucking easy with some dimes but that might’ve true before too I’m not sure how much was AB5. But this kind of stuff can’t be good long term for strip clubs in California.
We might start to see a big talent drain of girls just doing regular jobs if they pay is the same. Hot girls (arguably the most universally coveted skill in the world) are not being allowed to profit off that skill so why deal with the bullshit? For benefits? Do people realize with money you can purchase healthcare you don’t have to get it through your employer, it’s like people don’t that or something. Anyway would love to hear your guys/gals thoughts on what you been seeing and hearing out there when it comes to this issue.
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That's why we are going to use the Membership Club / Private Party Model to neutralize it.
SJG
Every girl I know who is actually working in these clubs like it. They pay taxes into the system and get their tipouts and house fees taken care of plus get a little to take home even after the clubs take advantage of them. Whatever they make in the club is theirs to take home.
As I said.A few disgruntled hoes online dint mean shit
Every girl I know who is actually working in these clubs like it. They pay taxes into the system and get their tipouts and house fees taken care of plus get a little to take home even after the clubs take advantage of them. Whatever they make in the club is theirs to take home.
The only girls I've met against it are ones who don't want to pay taxes. Don't want the responsibility of a schedule or promoting etc.
- $75 stage fee
- 50% of first $200 made
- 25% thereafter
So, the club would take basically $175 of the first $200 a girl made, then 25% of her take thereafter. Another way to look at it: To make $300 (not counting tips she gets, or minus tipouts) she has to sell $566.67 in dances. After AB5, the structure is something like (again I can look up the exact numbers, but this is the form):
- 100% of first $250 made (she makes $0)
- 70% of next $200 made (she makes $60)
- 30% thereafter
- Club also pays her $152 in salary
- In addition, the club has significantly more license in establishing rules and discipline, because they are employees.
To make $300: She starts with the $152 in salary for her shift, the first $450 she makes yields $60 (so she's made $112 on the first $450 in dances), and to make the remaining $188 she has to sell $268.57 in dances. Or $718.57 total dances to make $300.
The numbers are not as kind as I've made them seem -- the girls saw a significant drop, the entire stripper forum universe isn't lying. The salary is not "free" -- the club gets that all back first thing by taking 100% of the first $X in dances (plus some padding), then has upped the percentages in the subsequent levels. The only time this benefits the girls is when they have the occasional horrible day where they make almost nothing -- they still get to go home with $152 no matter what. But this safety net is illusory, because girls who don't even cover their own salary get fired for performance reasons. The girls are now also subject to strict employee type rules, in many clubs.
Help a stripper -- do an OTC today!
I will play along and comment on your discussion.
You wrote and I quote:
“I was there last year and OTC/extras was so fucking easy with some dimes but that might’ve true before too I’m not sure how much was AB5.”
Pics and Vids or it didn’t happen.
:D
We will get around it though with the Membership Club / Private Party Model.
SJG
These girls start at $19 an hour. They get taxes house fees and tipout taken out of it. They also have a schedule and have to do club promoting work. That's the norm.
Also you snd others keep using stripper as a synonym for hooker. They're not the same.
And getting your certification to dance isn't hard. You're only rejected if you have a violent felony or prostitution arrests
Icee, prostitution should be completely legalized. A moral society would give people freedom to engage in it.
Subraman you take a few out there online examples and force your own politics on them. Like sjg
Strip clubs will not be able to function if the women are employees.
Membership Club and Private Party Model are what will get us around this.
SJG
AB5 and the Dynamech decision are based on contractor work where the workers get very little. Strip clubs are not this way.
SJG
At the state level we really have only one party now.
https://www.laboremploymentlawblog.com/2…
Membership Club / Private Party, so they are just Members or Party Guests, same as the men.
SJG
So:
Membership Club / Private Party, so they are just Members or Party Guests, same as the men.
But the big corporations will not be able to do this. We, the little guys, have to do it.
SJG
Figueroa will be getting better now that CA has lifted the loitering with intent law
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TY7Nb6Q…
miggs : "Let The Games Begin" starring LINDSAY LOHAN (OFFICIAL VIDEO)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCxM6IGC…
Dynamex was a real sleazy operation. We should not have to extrapolate from that to the whole society, like musicians, actors, and dancers.
In the loose clubs as they have been, the women have lots of power, rights, freedom, and income.
But now they have to be employees. Strip club management cannot have a written list of rules for what they can and cannot do, because that would make them culpable. They need multiple layers of deniability.
SJG
miggs : "Let The Games Begin" starring LINDSAY LOHAN (OFFICIAL VIDEO)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCxM6IGC…
Best of Aerosmith 2021 - Aerosmith Greatest Hits Full Album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxV_g06S…
Aerosmith - Walk This Way (from You Gotta Move - Official Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL4uESRC…
Also, at the few clubs I visit in CA it seems that AB5 basically drove all the old veteran girls out, and a bunch of baby strippers took their place. And another club I visit still has the girls as IC. I'm not quite sure how they manage that, unless their operating illegally. And that club looks too big to be able to get away with that.
And this will come when a contingent of the dancers retire.
DV's has lots of pricey lawyers. Their position is that they are a corporate target, so they have to follow the letter of the law now. When those other clubs get sued, DV has said, "We'll be waiting in the wings", to buy them up on the cheap. And zoning makes it impractical to open any more retail clubs.
This is real bad!
Must set up Membership Club - Private Party Model venues.
Thanks for that info TFP.
SJG
miggs : "Let The Games Begin" starring LINDSAY LOHAN (OFFICIAL VIDEO)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCxM6IGC…
Best of Aerosmith 2021 - Aerosmith Greatest Hits Full Album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxV_g06S…
Aerosmith - Walk This Way (from You Gotta Move - Official Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL4uESRC…
Now true, instructed by their lawyers, DV has backed off on the weigh ins and the fines, but it still has the tightest controls, and girls are afraid of standing up to DV because they control so much of the industry.
Must set up Membership Club - Private Party Model venues.
SJG
miggs : "Let The Games Begin" starring LINDSAY LOHAN (OFFICIAL VIDEO)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCxM6IGC…
Best of Aerosmith 2021 - Aerosmith Greatest Hits Full Album
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxV_g06S…
Aerosmith - Walk This Way (from You Gotta Move - Official Video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL4uESRC…
THis is less so in DV clubs because they are so big that no one wants to cross them, and because they are really a think tank figuring out the psychology of the interactions and then making the dancers go along with it.
And yes BTE, US clubs exist because we are the only country with such zeal for enforcing the prostitution ban.
DV though goes way beyond this, limiting all front room interaction in order to get people into the toll boths, and to undermine the customers free interaction with the dancer.
In or local underground circuit there are no booths or back rooom, as they had not been when Jim and Artie were running MBOT. It is a freer interaction, and experienced dancers insist that they make more money that way.
SJG
SJG
And your a psychotic goatfucking creep!
BTW, last notice, we are getting closer...
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And yeah hookers don't like clubs like that coz they get fired if they turn tricks there.