Will the Pope revoke the 15th-century ‘Doctrine of Discovery’ used to justify “c

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Will the Pope revoke the 15th-century ‘Doctrine of Discovery’ used to justify “colonizing” and the genocide of Indigenous peoples all over the world?

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Tetradon
2 years ago
^ Better yet, who cares? The Vatican hasn't meant shit in international politics for a long ass time. If you're blaming your problems on them, you have much more to worry about.
CJKent_band
2 years ago
@Tetradon

“The Doctrine of Discovery emerged during the Age of Exploration. In 1452, Pope Nicholas V issued the papal bull Dum Diversas, which authorized Portugal to conquer non-Christians and consign them to "perpetual servitude".”

“PERPETUAL SERVITUDE”

“The Doctrine of Discovery had been used for centuries to expropriate indigenous lands and facilitate their transfer to colonizing or dominating nations...."

~ United Nations (2012-05-08).
Tetradon
2 years ago
^ And there we have the cause of all the problems of natives today; the Vatican in 2022.
motorhead
2 years ago
Is it just me or does CJ K need to hit a club tonite and get some pussy
twentyfive
2 years ago
^ I think it's just you, CJKunt has no interest in pussy, he's a dick Pic collector
CJKent_band
2 years ago
@Tetradon

THE UNDENIABLE FACT IS:

The “Doctrine of Discovery” was used, and to this day is still being used, for conquest and subjugation.

Intractable conflicts are found in many areas of the world that were once colonized by Western Europeans aka 🇬🇧 UK Great Britain, in Africa, the Balkans, Southeast Asia and America.

Most of these conflicts are large and complex, especially those concerning boundaries, ethnic rivalry, the uneven distribution of resources, human-rights violations, and lack of good governance can be found at the heart of protracted problems.

The best example of this is the United States were past imperialist policies continue to have this effect; ethnic rivalry, the uneven distribution of resources, human-rights violations, and lack of good governance.

For this reason, it is vital that those wishing to transform or resolve protracted conflict, acknowledge the past, and take into account the effects past imperialist policies continue to have on today's post British-Colonial and American-Imperialist societies.

You are welcome.
twentyfive
2 years ago
You want to go back 500 years to have an argument, your life really must suck.
TheeOSU
2 years ago
^


It does, cj is a big loser, and the fun fact is he knows it.
CJKent_band
2 years ago
@twentyfive

I just want readers, like yourself, to be aware of, and

“acknowledge the past, and take into account the effects past imperialist policies continue to have on today's post British-Colonial and American-Imperialist societies.”

You are welcome.




Tetradon
2 years ago
"The “Doctrine of Discovery” was used, and to this day is still being used, for conquest and subjugation."

Yep, it must be those Swiss Guards from the oppressive Vatican empire. Lol they can't even get most American Catholics to oppose abortion, let alone oppress anyone.
twentyfive
2 years ago
@OP
“I just want readers like yourself to be aware”

Really you are so fucking presumptuous to think you’re the only person with any knowledge of history, even though your interpretation of said history is off the charts loony as fuck, you really think quite highly of yourself even though you’re actually a intellectually vapid and lazy individual

You’re welcome
Goodclubrep
2 years ago
Ok, so, if we all know this now. I'm pretty sure all the smart world leaders know about this also. We studied history and (the results) geography and pretty much knew this by the 6th grade. Thanks for another "why" topic.
CJKent_band
2 years ago
@twentyfive

“The main objective of the study of history is not simply to record facts and actions, but to try to understand past situations in context and their causes and consequences, in order to understand the present.

History is therefore both the facts and the study of them and is constantly built because the past is extended in each moment.”
CJKent_band
2 years ago
@twentyfive

THE UNDENIABLE FACT IS THAT:

“We have people in the this country, the rich and powerful, robber barons, snake oil salesmen, who don’t really care about humanity and, for whatever selfish gain or for whatever reason, they act without a conscience.”
CJKent_band
2 years ago
@Tetradon

You wrote and I quote:

“^ And there we have the cause of all the problems of natives today; the Vatican in 2022.”

You are correct the cause of the problems of natives today is the legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery.

“The Doctrine of Discovery made possible the Indian Act and all of its genocidal laws and policies including the residential school system, removal of Indigenous Peoples from traditional lands to reserves, criminalization of languages and cultural ceremonies, and the creation, recognition and later denial of Treaty and Indigenous rights.”

“This explains the imbalance of power which is supported and maintained by countries who claim to be democratic and justice seeking. As Indigenous peoples work to decolonize, knowing the origin history helps to understand what is operating in our society and what needs to change.”
Tetradon
2 years ago
^ Yes, as if the natives weren't despoiling the environment, committing genocide and rape against one another, and generally acting like people have always acted towards one another. But it's only what whitey does that counts.

This declaration was made on land conquered by white people from one group of natives, that they stole from another group, that they took from yet another. Lulz
CJKent_band
2 years ago
@Tetradon

The fact that someone has done something unjust or dishonest is no justification for acting in a similar way.

“Any theory of being American must explain one salient and striking fact: cruelty.

America is the most cruel nation among its peers — even among most poor countries today.

It is something like a new Rome.

It has little, if any, functioning healthcare, education, transport, media, no safety nets, no stability, security.

The middle class is collapsing, and life expectancy is falling.

Young people die for a lack of insulin they cannot crowdfund.

Elderly middle-class people live and die in their cars.

Kids massacre each other in schools — when they’re not self-medicating the pain of it all away.

The combination of these pathologies happens nowhere else — not a single place — in the world.

Not even Pakistan, Costa Rica, or Rwanda.

Hence, the world is aghast daily at the depths of American cruelty — yet somehow, it seem bottomless.”
Tetradon
2 years ago
^ No, twerp, the world is not aghast, you are. Now, being unable to defend your "whitey is a unique oppressor," you scramble as if everything bad that happens in America is inherent to its being while ignoring the rest.

Let's "decolonize" and remove every advance made by a non native too. How do you think that turns out?
twentyfive
2 years ago
^This like most of the OPs useless discussions, is pointless, unless you can go back in time and judge these pithy sentiments, by the values of the era, it's just a meaningless shit stirrer.
It's sort of a stupid circular type of logic that he espouses, it's not unlike a mental disease. He assumes that circumstances never evolve or change.

caseyx
2 years ago
History is a story of people conquering other lands and peoples. Claiming that the conquest of the New World is somehow different or unique shows either ignorance or a political agenda.
CJKent_band
2 years ago
“The Doctrine of Discovery explains the imbalance of power which is supported and maintained by countries who claim to be democratic and justice seeking”
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