Why Is The Ukraine Not In NATO?

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shailynn
They never tell you what you need to know.
https://www.nationalworld.com/news/world…

Interesting article explaining why Ukraine is not in NATO.

To me it sounds like everyone was vague, everyone was pussyfooting around, and now this has caused a conflict which may lead to a war.

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gammanu95
3 years ago
Dixie really showing his ignorance.
The Bay of Pigs and the Cuban Missile Crisis were two distinct and separate historical events.
It's 300 miles from Miami to Cuba.
Kennedy failed the Bay of Pigs, and was wrong. One of his many failures as a democrat party hack elected for his family name and good looks.

Regardless of whether any Ukrainian government or population majority wanted to join NATO, membership rules include that countries seeking membership cannot have active wars or civil wars ongoing. Russia was very deliberately occupying Crimea and materially supporting the fighting in the Donbas regions to keep Ukraine ineligible for membership.

As for the argument of why would NATO not issue guarantees that Ukraine would not be admitted, how stupid are you? This mostly comes from the same leftist and communist sympathizers who support the felons calls for defunding the police and the illegal immigrants calls for abolishing ICE. The enemy and criminals do not get to determine how things are run.

It's really not that complicated, folks. Putin tested the waters by occupying Crimea. He pushed the envelope by sending troops to the border. Biden assured Putin that he would allow Ukraine to be attacked as punishment for the problems with his son. There is no doubt that Putin assured Biden that he would terminate and destroy all investigations into Hunter's corruption. We all know that senile Joe believed him, but Putin will keep all evidence and records as blackmail tools for future use. Shortly, Ukraine will be a puppet state of the new Russian Empire.
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misterorange
3 years ago
"Biden assured Putin that he would allow Ukraine to be attacked as punishment for the problems with his son. There is no doubt that Putin assured Biden that he would terminate and destroy all investigations into Hunter's corruption."

This is what I've said several times and I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion on it. Biden is compromised because he got filthy rich selling political access while he was VP. (His junkie son was just the bag man.) I often wonder why Obama allowed that to go on when apparently he gained nothing from it personally. Who knows, maybe old Joe had dirt on Obama and offered to keep it under his hat as long as his little money-making venture continued.

Regardless, now that Putin will obviously have all of Ukraine under his control, he will have access to hard evidence of Joe's treasonous deals... computer servers, accounting records, emails, meeting minutes, recorded conversations, testimony of executives, shit, probably even personal journals and post-it notes... everything. And if that got out globally, the FBI wouldn't be able to sweep it under the rug like they did with Hunter's laptop that they've had since at least 2019.
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twentyfive
3 years ago
^ that’s the kind of stuff that gets posted by the conspiracy rags, truth is if Biden and /or his son were really involved in that shit, they’d be a lot wealthier then they are, ( I’m not defending him or his kids) but in reality they really are kind of poor compared with most of the other political hacks that have been around as long as the Biden’s.
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misterorange
3 years ago
^ Well keep in mind that Biden has never been very good at anything. All things considered, he's not doing too bad.
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san_jose_guy
3 years ago
At this point it makes no difference whether or not Ukraine is in NATO. Long term, NATO should be dissolved and replaced with something which Russia can also be a member of.

SJG
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
NATO has no right to get involved in Ukraine. It's not a member nation. So what they're trying to do is provoke Russia by amassing an invasion force in Poland.


And it's ridiculous to see republikkkans rally around biden. This is the culmination of his ineptitude
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san_jose_guy
3 years ago
NATO is not involved in Ukraine. Ukraine is outside of its treaty scope.

But most NATO members are trying to stop this Russian aggression before we have another World War.

SJG
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
They want ww3. Which is why they incited the violence via the US puppet regime jn Ukraine
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san_jose_guy
3 years ago
Ukraine has done nothing to incite this. And the idea that Ukraine or Nato or the US would want WW3 is preposterous.

SJG

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san_jose_guy
3 years ago
Ukraine Launch Unexpected attack on a group of 20 Russian helicopters near Kyiv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuJXmWNP…

Nuclear weapons expert: The likelihood of nuclear war is rising | DW News 4hrs ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtFYrui3…

Russia announces it will carry out strikes on Kyiv government facilities | DW News 6 hours ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d8T_nFj…

SJG
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Tetradon
3 years ago
^ This is Cacaplop
https://www.stripclublist.com/profile/61…

Recognize the derivative and unimaginative insults like "Lebron China."
https://www.facebook.com/randy.peel.9/

Do we want our board to turn into this? No!

Go away, Cacaplop.
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san_jose_guy
3 years ago
President Biden set to give his 1st State of the Union address tonight l ABCNL 6pm PT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEwKslx8…

PBS NewsHour full episode, Feb. 1, 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrX0DV9H…


SJG
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
Cacaplop posts the exact same verbal diarrhea as tetraplop and yhe other rwpublikkkans here
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
And sjg is joining them
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Tetradon
3 years ago
"Cacaplop posts the exact same verbal diarrhea as tetraplop and yhe other rwpublikkkans here"

Yes, Cacaplop constantly posts Glory to Ukraine and Go away Cacaplop constantly.

Again you're trying to be provocative, but only come off retarded.
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
Other than the tetraplop profile supporting bidens war jts just like cacaplop
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san_jose_guy
3 years ago
Icey, there are ethic divisions and separatists in every country. And now, you have to be really careful with information coming from Internet sources which have no reputation.

President Biden set to give his 1st State of the Union address tonight l ABCNL 6pm PT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEwKslx8…

Sen. Marco Rubio: Putin Would Prefer ‘Not To Escalate’ To The Point Of Nuclear War
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kep_N-y…

Speaker Pelosi: Putin Is 'Afraid Of A Democracy On His Doorstep, Which Ukraine Proposes’
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNSeSky4…

PBS NewsHour full episode, Feb. 1, 2022
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrX0DV9H…

SJG
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Tetradon
3 years ago
Funny, you're the only one who can't distinguish. You're also the only one with an IQ of 75 here. Coincidence?

At that intelligence level, next you're going to call me a troll, when you're the one who started shit.
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Papi_Chulo
3 years ago
"A Moment Of Truth For Europe: European Parliament Greenlights Ukraine Bid To Join EU"

The European Parliament voted on Tuesday to accept Ukraine’s application to join the European Union (EU) after Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky gave a passionate speech before the body.

Zelensky formally signed an application to join the European Union on an expedited basis on Monday after making repeated to calls to allow his country to join the bloc. Zelensky’s calls have received vocal support from some already in the bloc, including the countries of Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Slovakia, and Slovenia.

After nearly a week of fending off Russia’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine, Zelensky gave an impassioned speech in front of the European Parliament that received a standing ovation and “near-unanimous” support from the body’s members to begin the process of joining Ukraine to the bloc. The parliament vote does not grant Ukraine status of an EU-candidate country.

Zelensky’s pleas to join the bloc have gained support from some top officials in the European Union, though Ukraine’s eventual entrance to the alliance remains uncertain. Over the weekend, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said that Ukraine’s application to the bloc could be fast-tracked under a novel procedure for adding member countries.

In a speech to the European Parliament on Tuesday, von der Leyen backed Ukraine’s fight against Russia and endorsed Ukraine’s membership into the European Union. The commission president framed the Russo-Ukrainian conflict as a crisis for all of Europe, a framing that Zelensky has also used. Von der Leyen said in part.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/a-moment-…



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Tetradon
3 years ago
^ That's to Dumbasscee, not SJG
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
Sjg the conflict jn the Ukraine has been kn the news since 2014. You're the one posting shut from incredible sources. And teyraplop qnd cavaplop just piggyback off your posts and troll
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Tetradon
3 years ago
^ What did I just say, you're going to start shit then accuse me of trolling...
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san_jose_guy
3 years ago
Russia Ukraine conflict: Cities hit by new wave of deadly strikes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaDbwjCe…

There are ethnic tensions in the Russian Federation, they were there since the Tzars ran the place. The Baltic States, Belarus, and Ukraine all have a mixed history.

It was the Baltic States demanding independence which destabilized Gorbachev, and led to the hard liner coup attempt and his eventually resignation and handing over the reins to Yeltsin.

The US has supported this break up of the Soviet Union. And it probably is right that Nato be dissolved and replaced.

But elements of the American far right are also very pro-Putin because he is an autocrat.

SJG
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Tetradon
3 years ago
This explains it better than anywhere. We've placated Putin going back a decade and a half.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/01/opinions/…
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san_jose_guy
3 years ago
Yes, Tetradon, I am receptive to this:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/01/opinions/…

Putin seems to want to restore the Tzar's empire. The Bolsheviks had had to fight very hard to hold on to it and they even had to face people's in these places becoming part of Hitler's SS.

But things are not as they were. He can't be trying to do this with military force.

SJG
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Tetradon
3 years ago
^ Russian propaganda (RT)
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
And cnn and the fake news sjg posts is what?
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Tetradon
3 years ago
^ Not controlled by a government invading a sovereign country with a history of deceptive propaganda, and verifiable by others on-site
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
It's propaganda for bidens war and the Ukrainian puppet regime


Go away tetraplop 🤡
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Tetradon
3 years ago
^ Eat a bag of dicks, troll.
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san_jose_guy
3 years ago
The Ukraine is not a puppet state, and the last thing Biden is trying to do is start a war.

You Icey are posting stuff which is completely irresponsible and which make reasonable conversation impossible.

SJG
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
Sjg zelensky was propped up by the US. You're posting fake news about Ukraine about mental health about covid and delusions about hookers. You're the last person who should call anyone irresponsible. And you're basically just feeding tetraplop and other trolls.
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san_jose_guy
3 years ago
Icey, YOU have turned into a troll!

Russia Ukraine conflict: Cities hit by new wave of deadly strikes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaDbwjCe…

SJG
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san_jose_guy
3 years ago
'40-Mile Long' Russian Military Convoy Approaching Ukraine Capital
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HacwWyTR…


SJG
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Tetradon
3 years ago
@SJG, you're just seeing now that Icee is a troll? Haven't you seen him take contrary (and often conflicting) opinions and personally attack people unprovoked?

I'm amazed at how much time he spends here around people he holds in contempt, and who hold him in contempt too.

Why is he even here?
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Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
Sjg he's manipulating you for lulz just like nicespice
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san_jose_guy
3 years ago
Russia changes to more brutal tactics in Ukraine after "poorly planned operation," analyst says
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mePpHqI…

SJG
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gammanu95
3 years ago
There is no such thing as the Minke Accords. But the demented old fogey, 25IQ, has been running around for a week telling everything "what about the Minke Accords? The US has to defend Ukraine by the Minke Accords." There is no such thing. By his idiocy and senility, he made it up. He is so deeply lost in dementia, he never even thought to check himself.

Furthermore, the Minsk Agreement, which is real and does exist, does not involve the US. It is a purely European protocol.

Always right, all along.
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twentyfive
3 years ago
What I find truly amazing is some nameless loser on an internet board spends a whole night thinking about how to attack me, talk about a loser, I obviously am living rent free in his empty head, funny shit people, this jerk does it across multiple threads, even attacks my reviews, and fakes me attacking his reviews so he can justify his actions, what a jackass.
#IOWNTHELOSERGAMMANU
BTW You are on permanent ignore so any response you care to make go right ahead and talk to the hand
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gammanu95
3 years ago
Look in the mirror 25IQ, you just described yourself to a T. What a loser. He cannot even face the fact that he was wrong, so wrong, about the title and contents of the Minsk Protocols. Sadly, this denial of his evident dementia is only going to delay treatment.
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gammanu95
3 years ago
BTW, I knew that he would not be able to admit his error. Nor do I expect to be ignored by him for very long. At his advanced age, it is not reasonable for him to have learned a lesson and for it to stick.

He could have left well enough alone a long time ago. But he couldn't, he is just too sick and too petty. He kept needling me and egging on others who were antagonizing me, until I had no choice but to address him directly. I don't tolerate his passive agressive bullshit. That is the territory of women and cowards. He is a bitch and coward.

25IQ has an opportunity now. Leave me alone, stay off my convos and reviews, and I'll reciprocate. Needle me, egg on others, anyboassive aggressive bullshit, and we'll be right back here at peak squabbling.
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san_jose_guy
3 years ago
Russia passes new laws to silence dissent, bans foreign news outlets | Ukraine invasion latest news (German DW 7hrs ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMCQ2QMM…

Russia’s Unprecedented Shelling of Ukrainian Nuclear Plant Raises Fears of Another Chernobyl
https://www.democracynow.org/2022/3/4/ru…

Talking about Claus von Stauffenberg
"Col. Claus von Stauffenberg, left, looks on as Adolf Hitler welcomes Gen. Karl Bodenschatz on July 7, 1944. Von Stauffenberg attempted to kill Hitler on July 20 and was executed the next day."

Republicans, Democrats slam Lindsey Graham after he calls for Putin's assassination (Russians have brought crematoriums with them)
https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-democ…

This could be another way, besides quarantine on the Black Sea and No Fly Zone, for outside military forces to enter this.

Russian Environmentalist Speaks Out on Putin’s Attack on Antiwar Protesters & Independent Media
https://www.democracynow.org/2022/3/4/ru…

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https://www.democracynow.org/2022/3/4/fa…

The Russian Invasion Of Ukraine Is Like Something From A Movie: Peter Zalmayev (MSNBC)
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On board a Nato surveillance plane monitoring Russian activity in Ukraine - BBC News (Boeing 707)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt5j2mrX…

On the Ground in Ukraine: A VICE News Tonight Special Report 4 hours ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk5DgCwd…

SJG


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san_jose_guy
3 years ago
'I know the truth': CNN asks Russians what they think about Putin's war (CNN 9hrs ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD_d9j0R…

Germany SEND ship anti-aircraft missiles to Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOOvUiV-…

France sends aircraft carrier to control airspace near Ukraine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tASSYEfl…

NATO head gives press conference on Ukraine (euronews 9 hours ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xqHXU47…

Zelenskyy addresses Europeans: ‘Do not be silent’ | DW News 4hrs ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFiIXJH6…

Russian jets began entering Swedish airspace (HOLY SHIT!)
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War will come to the other NATO members!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQN2o6-r…

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Nato opposes pleas for No Fly Zone
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMCQ2QMM…

NATO’s Stoltenberg tells FRANCE 24 Russia's warning to Finland, Sweden 'unacceptable' (France 24 English 7hrs ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mj9cPudf…

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsBc_Vbt…

A Bayraktar TB2 Strikes Again, Hundred Russian Tanks Were Destroyed Near Ukraine Capital Kyiv! (2 hours ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwLOPyLO…

Russia passes new laws to silence dissent, bans foreign news outlets | Ukraine invasion latest news (German DW 7hrs ago)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kMCQ2QMM…

Russia’s Unprecedented Shelling of Ukrainian Nuclear Plant Raises Fears of Another Chernobyl
https://www.democracynow.org/2022/3/4/ru…

Talking about Claus von Stauffenberg
"Col. Claus von Stauffenberg, left, looks on as Adolf Hitler welcomes Gen. Karl Bodenschatz on July 7, 1944. Von Stauffenberg attempted to kill Hitler on July 20 and was executed the next day."

Republicans, Democrats slam Lindsey Graham after he calls for Putin's assassination (Russians have brought crematoriums with them)
https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-democ…

This could be another way, besides quarantine on the Black Sea and No Fly Zone, for outside military forces to enter this.

Russian Environmentalist Speaks Out on Putin’s Attack on Antiwar Protesters & Independent Media
https://www.democracynow.org/2022/3/4/ru…

Ukrainian American Journalist: Putin’s Unjust War Is Emboldening Ukraine’s Far-Right Movement
https://www.democracynow.org/2022/3/4/fa…

The Russian Invasion Of Ukraine Is Like Something From A Movie: Peter Zalmayev (MSNBC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwV1HGGN…

On board a Nato surveillance plane monitoring Russian activity in Ukraine - BBC News (Boeing 707)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt5j2mrX…

On the Ground in Ukraine: A VICE News Tonight Special Report 4 hours ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk5DgCwd…

SJG

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https://news.yahoo.com/republicans-democ…

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Lenny Kravitz - american woman - Live At iTunes Festival 2014
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san_jose_guy
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