"The researchers conclude that this reduction “is mostly driven by potential sex offenders frequenting these establishments rather than committing crimes.”"
See. We should be encouraged to spend more time in strip clubs.
If I was stupid enough to actually believe the article I would be ashamed. 13% is statistically insignificant. New York doesn't apply to the rest of the country. Weather could have caused it. Finances could have caused. It could be a random cause, or none at all. By the way the word "may" means nothing and the study "proves" it may be a cause. The idea that rapists choose strip clubs as an alternative is fucking ignorant. Rape and sexual assault is about violence, not sex. Republican states with strip clubs have better strip clubs. Anyone love fucking chicago and washington DC as strip club heavens? New York? Thought not. Want a Democrat strip club experience? Go to Boston. You'd have more fun flushing your money in the men's room. Yes, I am being fucking serious.
Let's see: Detroit, CoI, Providence, Houston... pretty sure those are all kick-ass strip club cities with predominantly democrat leadership. There are some outliers like Miami, of course. The point is that Republicans are tougher on crime, but we are all here because we love strippers.
Problem is this notion stipulates all men are potential rapists and wouldn't need to rape if women gave them access to sex. So the state should step in and allow prostitution. I don't like it.
Well, as always, you're here solely to disagree and pick fights ... but whatever.
"Problem is this notion stipulates all men are potential rapists and wouldn't need to rape if women gave them access to sex."
No, it doesn't. It postulates that a statistically significant percentage of the men who commit rape are, to some degree, motivated by a mix of pent-up frustrations, aggression, and/or anxieties. It further postulates that if those guys have a means of "gassing off" some of those emotions, then they are less likely to force sex in some other circumstance as a result of frustration.
And while that's not particularly flattering to some guys, the argument is increasingly made more valid by data and research.
But it certainly does not stipulate that all men are rapists-in-waiting. That's a viewpoint that you bring to this topic.
"So the state should step in and allow prostitution."
Many states already allow prostitution by way of turning a blind eye, and only enforce their prostitution laws when there's some sort of incident that prompts a crackdown. So, what we're really talking about is removing the threat of arrest for a set of laws that are often enforced selectively and capriciously. And, in place, installing some degree of accountability and regulation.
You know, for a guy who happily brags about "running a train" on women, you sure are puritanical when it comes legal prostitution.
Some guy on another thread had a good point, the good strip clubs in America go in a ring from the Northeast down through the South and up the west coast
I think that shows Midwestern states in general have been hostile to strip clubs. It’s not always a clear cut R/D thing
On another poignant note: BLM backed the Cuban Government and communism, over the pro-democracy demonstrators. They did not state any position in regard to the choice between cocaine addicted girlfriends and hookers,,,,,,
Nope. But keep at it, man. This is what you do best. There's an increasing level of data and research showing that legalized sex work leads to a decrease in sexual assault. I'm in favor of less sexual assault. I'm also in favor of people who commit sexual assault getting punished to the full extent of the law.
"And calling me a troll for disagreeing with the vocal minority on here obsessed with hookers reflects on you not me."
I'm calling you a troll because you have a long history of posting provably fake things about yourself, continuously posting on a website where you get along with no one (for no sensible reason), and happily posting about reprehensible things and then suddenly turning into a Quaker church wife when it suits your primary goal...
... which is getting attention. And, hey, ultimately we have to admit that you're pretty good at it.
Anyway, much like legalized pot, I think that legalized sex work is an inevitability, regardless of the position you're pretending to believe in.
There are two things that really stand out on this article:
1) Lax enforcement emboldens the pimps
2) Prosecutors want to punish the johns, blaming demand for the crime
That feels a lot like punishing business owners for paying protection fees to BLM. This is also the same, stupid liberal logic that blames violence in Mexico on Americans buying illegal drugs. The crime here should be the human trafficking, forced labor, and untaxed income. That latest fat loser who has to buy a blowjob on a Saturday night is not the root cause. Everyday wants to cry about slavery which occurred over 150 years ago, but those same ignorant assholes ignore or actively use this modern-day slavery.
Ishmael may be right, legalized sex work may come to the USA some day. I still think it could still be several decades off, if ever. Either way, there are crimes and suffering which should be addressed today.
"That latest fat loser who has to buy a blowjob on a Saturday night is not the root cause."
Eh. That's a mixed bag. Around here, when they'd do the Cragslist/Backpage busts, it targeted customers. And there would be the inevitable shame-campaign mugshot pictures in the news the next day. But, when the police busted strip clubs, AMPs, and/or street walkers, it always targeted the providers, and they were the ones who got arrested and got their pictures in the paper the next day. So, I'd say that the bulk of blame (and legal action) has been historically directed at the women rather than the guys.
"Either way, there are crimes and suffering which should be addressed today."
Well, if you remove or alter prostitution laws, then it creates more bandwidth to address that crime and suffering.
Prostitution is illegal because it falls under illicit labor. Its about labor law. Hence why legalization on so-called humanitarian grounds is unconstitutional.
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What I posted there, I would post here.
"Problem is this notion stipulates all men are potential rapists and wouldn't need to rape if women gave them access to sex."
No, it doesn't. It postulates that a statistically significant percentage of the men who commit rape are, to some degree, motivated by a mix of pent-up frustrations, aggression, and/or anxieties. It further postulates that if those guys have a means of "gassing off" some of those emotions, then they are less likely to force sex in some other circumstance as a result of frustration.
And while that's not particularly flattering to some guys, the argument is increasingly made more valid by data and research.
But it certainly does not stipulate that all men are rapists-in-waiting. That's a viewpoint that you bring to this topic.
"So the state should step in and allow prostitution."
Many states already allow prostitution by way of turning a blind eye, and only enforce their prostitution laws when there's some sort of incident that prompts a crackdown. So, what we're really talking about is removing the threat of arrest for a set of laws that are often enforced selectively and capriciously. And, in place, installing some degree of accountability and regulation.
You know, for a guy who happily brags about "running a train" on women, you sure are puritanical when it comes legal prostitution.
https://tuscl.net/discussion.php?id=7362…
But don't worry. I don't believe you've done anything you claimed in that thread either.
"I don't like it."
Yeah, well, that's your shtick here, isn't it? Serially not liking and disagreeing with everything to get attention.
I think that shows Midwestern states in general have been hostile to strip clubs. It’s not always a clear cut R/D thing
Nope. But keep at it, man. This is what you do best. There's an increasing level of data and research showing that legalized sex work leads to a decrease in sexual assault. I'm in favor of less sexual assault. I'm also in favor of people who commit sexual assault getting punished to the full extent of the law.
"And calling me a troll for disagreeing with the vocal minority on here obsessed with hookers reflects on you not me."
I'm calling you a troll because you have a long history of posting provably fake things about yourself, continuously posting on a website where you get along with no one (for no sensible reason), and happily posting about reprehensible things and then suddenly turning into a Quaker church wife when it suits your primary goal...
... which is getting attention. And, hey, ultimately we have to admit that you're pretty good at it.
Anyway, much like legalized pot, I think that legalized sex work is an inevitability, regardless of the position you're pretending to believe in.
Cheers!
https://www.foxnews.com/us/nyc-sex-worke…
There are two things that really stand out on this article:
1) Lax enforcement emboldens the pimps
2) Prosecutors want to punish the johns, blaming demand for the crime
That feels a lot like punishing business owners for paying protection fees to BLM. This is also the same, stupid liberal logic that blames violence in Mexico on Americans buying illegal drugs. The crime here should be the human trafficking, forced labor, and untaxed income. That latest fat loser who has to buy a blowjob on a Saturday night is not the root cause. Everyday wants to cry about slavery which occurred over 150 years ago, but those same ignorant assholes ignore or actively use this modern-day slavery.
Ishmael may be right, legalized sex work may come to the USA some day. I still think it could still be several decades off, if ever. Either way, there are crimes and suffering which should be addressed today.
Eh. That's a mixed bag. Around here, when they'd do the Cragslist/Backpage busts, it targeted customers. And there would be the inevitable shame-campaign mugshot pictures in the news the next day. But, when the police busted strip clubs, AMPs, and/or street walkers, it always targeted the providers, and they were the ones who got arrested and got their pictures in the paper the next day. So, I'd say that the bulk of blame (and legal action) has been historically directed at the women rather than the guys.
"Either way, there are crimes and suffering which should be addressed today."
Well, if you remove or alter prostitution laws, then it creates more bandwidth to address that crime and suffering.
Prostitution is illegal because it falls under illicit labor. Its about labor law. Hence why legalization on so-called humanitarian grounds is unconstitutional.