Manhattan sex work decriminalization coming to a vote

nicespice
https://www.reddit.com/r/SexWorkers/comm…

Interesting stuff

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nicespice
3 years ago
Ah, it’s a vote for who is DA, not decriminalization specifically, whoops.

Still, 6/8 candidates who openly support decriminalization makes it seem like that type of stuff coming is very likely. If not Manhattan, then other places possibly
mike710
3 years ago
I think this is cool and a step in the right direction. However, a lot of cities don't enforce current laws that go all the way to violent crime so I don't think sex work is a high priority in a lot of cities these days.
Dave_Anderson
3 years ago
Stpp saying "sex work" for fuck's sake. I hate that term so much I have stopped going to clubs. I hate that term.
nicespice
3 years ago
Why in heck would hating the term 🧨sex work🧨 make you stop going to a strip club? Do you go there for light hearted conversation and lapdances, etc? Or do you go there to debate what phrases in the English language is most aesthetically pleasing to you?

What a weird thing to read when just waking up…

Call.Me.Ishmael
3 years ago
I'm pretty sure that sex work will be decriminalized in at least one (if not more) locations outside of Nevada within 10 years. Possibly 5 years.
Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
Being a prostitute would be decriminalization. Not being a trick...solicitation procurement etc
Call.Me.Ishmael
3 years ago
There are some models of this where prostitution is decriminalized, yet solicitation isn't (Nordic model). And there are other models where both sides of the equation become decriminalized, legalized, etc. I personally think that moving to a Nordic model is a stepping stone to eventual, full decriminalization.
nicespice
3 years ago
It’s both buying AND selling that would be decriminalized with 6 of the candidates. Only one advocates decriminalizing for sex workers only. And only 1 is for no decriminalization.

There is even a pretty graph provided. Scroll about halfway down.
https://theappeal.org/politicalreport/ma…
Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
That would be legalization not decriminalization.

Either way it'll be struck down as unconstitutional coz it involves illicit labor. Prostitution falls under labor laws.
Call.Me.Ishmael
3 years ago
Well, I guess we'll all find out eventually.
Muddy
3 years ago
You know what it sounds good but many of those candidates are lunatic asshole lefty (becoming a redundant thing to say at this point) DA’s that are hell bent on releasing every criminal in NYC. So while I agree with backing off certain victimless crimes the stuff that comes with it is not worth it all. When elitist latte liberals who quite frankly don’t know anything, run the show people die unfortunately and as long as it’s not them or their loved ones who are the victims they’re perfectly fine with it.
Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
The premise behind leftist DA strategies is that we have to remind evaluate whether the punishment given actually fits the crime.

The problem is that the whole tough on crime approach leads to unjust sentences and more hardened criminals.
Lone_Wolf
3 years ago
I believe leading NY mayoral candidate Andrew Yang advocates decriminalization too. Not sure on the specifics.
goodyman
3 years ago
I hate the term "sex work" too @DaveAnderson. Hoes,hookers, strippers, these broads are looking for a buck with minimal effort. It should be legal but let's not make it out to be more than it is
Call.Me.Ishmael
3 years ago
Setting aside libertarian candidates, who typically haul in votes by the pairs, you will never see a politician or DA at the conservative end of the spectrum who favors legalizing sex work in any form. And, if by some chance such a thing exists or comes to exist, they'll lose by a landslide.
aleccorbett
3 years ago
As a Classical Liberal (basically a libertarian with more sense), I hugely advocate for Sex Work and Decrim, so I hope this comes to pass. But I also understand why some states don't want it. IMO conservative states are better to live and work in. They are pro business, pro family, and pro freedom. But I think that sex work has secondary effects that are concerning. If a few easy to access states have it, that is more than enough for me.

Side note. I love the term Sex work, I hate how it refers to anything but Prostitution. The fact is that sex for money has significant risks that other professions, like stripping and doing porno, don't. So annoying that twitter OF girls want attention and clout for being SWers when they really aren't the same. Leftist women man. They are hot af but are frustrating at times.
nicespice
3 years ago
Interesting perspective that the term “sex work” is for clout. I never thought of it that way. Not 100% buying it, but it does make me stop and think. I assumed it’s all part of a greater thing where people (whether rightly or wrongly) have decided that more inclusive language is important.

I know of one dancer forum that doesn’t allow club staff or men on at all, and you have to be added in and vouched for to even view posts —BUT the usage of addressing other members as “ladies” is considered not inclusive enough language and the admin/moderator will correct you to use gender-neutral language in the future. And as far as I can tell, no chipendales are participating either.
Call.Me.Ishmael
3 years ago
Maybe I'm looking in the wrong places, but as far as I can tell the term "sex work" or "sex worker" includes prostitution.

I'm fine with the term, because it is work.
doctorevil
3 years ago
“ the usage of addressing other members as “ladies” is considered not inclusive enough language and the admin/moderator will correct you to use gender-neutral language in the future.” Interesting. Is “stripper hoe” considered inclusive enough? Asking for a non-friend.
twentyfive
3 years ago
@Doc
I think your non~friend prefers the catchall term bitches
skibum609
3 years ago
Kind of funny that everyone is saying de-criminilization, just like the article and yet, its not being decriminilized at all. Its just not being prosecuted. D.A. can't change the law.
Lone_Wolf
3 years ago
There is a theory that 80% of women will eventually only fuck the top 20% of high value men.

Thus, the 80% of losers that don't get pussy will revolt.

Have to wonder if this theory is factored into the decision to not prosicute sex work.
Call.Me.Ishmael
3 years ago
@skibum ... Well, if the DA makes the decision to not treat sex work as a crime, then that's essentially decriminalization from a proprietorial standpoint (at least for as long as that DA is in office). That's why the article posted by Nicespice uses the term 'decriminalization' rather than 'legalization', which the DA absolutely cannot do.

But, if the Manhattan DA were to do this, then it potentially gives legislators the breathing room to work on actually repealing the laws. I see this possibly going the same route as weed legalization. A couple of states or municipalities will creep forward in advance of everyone else, and when everyone sees those places not get swallowed into the fiery pits of hell, the dominoes will start to fall.

I mean, sites like Seeking have already led to the Uberization of sex work with barely a nudge and a wink separating sugar babies from sites like Eros and TER.
Call.Me.Ishmael
3 years ago
The "Great Loser Revolt" sounds like the shortest, saddest, and least great revolt in history. I doubt that this is on anyone's radar in a real way.

This is an interesting story about some of the follow-on research that occurred when Rhode Island accidentally "decriminalized" indoor prostitution by way loophole that went on for many years.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk…

If there's a Wapo paywall (try opening the link in a private browser window), then go here to download the research paper itself directly:

https://www.nber.org/papers/w20281
goodyman
3 years ago
American women don't have the right mindset for legal sex work to be a win for us. They are far too entitled!
Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
Sex workers in the US are American women. Unless you're advocating for trafficked 3rd world women
Icee Loco (asshole)
3 years ago
I think the chances of real decriminalization are very slim. At most tricks and hoes will just get slaps on the wrists or cops will turn more of a blind eye til enough calls come in about it taking place in certain locales.
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