Where / how do they learn their trade?!!!
DougS
Florida
I've been reading more and more on the other SC website about the dancers playing us guys and leading us on, etc.
Where / how do these girls learn how to con and lie so convincingly that they can convince us that they might actually like us - even when we are going into the club knowing that they are earning their money by doing exactly that?!
Why aren't they working in hollywood utilizing their acting skills?
Where / how do these girls learn how to con and lie so convincingly that they can convince us that they might actually like us - even when we are going into the club knowing that they are earning their money by doing exactly that?!
Why aren't they working in hollywood utilizing their acting skills?
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But having said that, the one thing they all have in common is that this is their job, they're doing it to make money. And it makes no difference whether they like you or not, it's mostly about money. Never forget that. Some of them become con artists but thankfully the majority do not. But even the more honest ones will put on an act for you, they assume that's why you're there, that you know it's a game and that you understand how the game is played.
So where do the new girls learn? They learn from each other, they see what works and do more of it.
I love dancing, I love to be someone's fantasy, I love to turn someone on, or if they just want company, to put a smile on their face..I do not want to lead them on to think that anything but me doing my job is going on.. I don't ask to be tipped for any and every little thing, if we dance please just paid what is owed, and please don't bitch that I don't drink alcohol, so if you by me a drink it will be bottled water or coffee..
So where other girls have learned the trade of playing people, I have gone to thee other end completely and pride myself very much in being an honest stripper..
David9999, I have to say music is so powerful, I would never think to use a song in that way, but certain customers, get certain songs played for them when I am on stage because that is what they want to enjoy..
I dance to Blues, and metal, so its one extreme or thee other..
Will I "stroke" an ego, or feed into a fantasy for someone, sure, I play the game of fantasy, just not the head games of anything else...
Your right, it is acting, and that part of it, is the job... I hate the, I need money game, feel sorry for me Cause this, and the sure I'll see you OTC to get money games....
I know if the roles were reversed, I would not be able to warm up to women that I had no desire for. I would not be able to convince them that I was hot for them. I could not keep the conversation rolling along with someone that I could careless to talk to.
Just acting seductively must take some practice. Maybe it just comes naturally to them. Maybe they practice in front of a mirror. Take my ATF for instance (err... not literally). She just oozes sexuality, without seemingly trying. She has all of the facial expressions down to a science; a slight lift of an eyebrow, a tilt of her head with a flip of her hair, a sexy "I want you to fuck me now" smile. Can that just come naturally?
Of course the cons (at which I don't think my ATF excels, 'cause I don't think she's like that) and the lines that make you keep forking out the money. Do you suppose they sit in the dressing room comparing notes on what lines work in which situation?
The second they learn from talking with and observing the other girls at work and seeing what's effective. There's a little bit of con artist in everyone, we all learned how to be manipulative as babies, the question is how far are they willing to go with it to earn a buck, and that's an individual decision, they all drew that line at different places.
Each girl has her own unique style and I think they're almost always better off to go with that rather than try to copy someone else. For example, my ATF is very much the tomboy and at first glance she isn't sexy at all. But she's very flirtatious and has a great smile, and the combination really works for her. But if someone else tried to copy her style it probably wouldn't work for them.
I've been with her many many times in her club and she is very upfront and honest, and won't lie to you. Like she says, she provides the fantasies and builds the ego. Her dances are very seductive and alluring.
My opinion, 'most' dancers who lie or fabricate/stretch thruths, learn it from more experienced dancers. I have been in many clubs where 'new' dancers are being guided around my experienced ones, and they're probably telling the new dancers what to say, etc.
Sorry, I guess it's a pet peeve of mine too that I didn't even realize it was.
Somehow though, if I'm not attracted to a dancer and she talks about how much she likes me or likes something about me, I tend to believe she probably does like me and start thinking, oh no. I can't get away from her.
I saw cut throat dancer activity on Thursday night. Kind of enjoyed it a bit though. Not too many guys in a big club for the number of dancers. I was sitting at the stage. I had dancers walking around cutting off the dancers on stage. The dancers walking around wanted to get a dance. The dancers on stage wanted a tip. A number of dancers were blocking and cutting off other dancers. I guess I was the new meat in the club. Several times while sitting at the stage, I was going to tip a dancer but another dancer would sit or stand next to me or sit on or near my lap before one of the girls on stage got to me. I enjoyed that a bit but there were a couple of dancers on stage I would have liked to watch and tip. I'm sure it was all about the money and I wouldn't be surprised if one or two dancers played payback time by blocking me off when she tried to get a stage tip. I don't know, it all became a blur of dancers coming at me.
As soon as one dancer realized I wasn't going to get a dance from her, she ignored me. Funny thing though, the last time she asked me I'm not sure what she heard but I started to say "ummm" and she got disgusted and walked off. I was simply going to ask a question before I got a dance from her. She had asked me probably anywhere from 5 to 12 times in two nights. I guess she thought she heard noooo or naaaa instead of uummmm. Then she appeared to look a bit mad at me. Oh well, the dancers are competing for the money you spend in a club and some will go to different lengths to get that money.
Bones, I have to disagree with you a little that dancers learn how to be dishonest from more experienced dancers. My guess is that the really dishonest ones have been that way all their lives, they earned it from their families at an early age and are no different outside the club than they are inside, they're just not very nice people.
And I don't think it has anything to do with being a dancer, some people are JERKS.
But I think this thread relates to something else, which is men who get attached to a stripper in the hopes that she really likes him and a relationship will develop in the future. Well, you have to be a willing believer to allow that "con" to work on you. Believe me, they're not that good of actresses, you are a willing participant, you got smoke in your eyes. I'm sure my atf is quite fond of me, don't get me wrong, but I don't think she thinks of me for one second once I'm out of her sight. And I hope one day she marries a handsome man her own age, b/c she's a great gal. It's called reality. It's like saying gee that Jimmy Swaggart must have been a great evangelist to get all those people to send in all those tens of millions of dollars. He wasn't all that. Those people just needed to believe what he told them. Lots more people would have changed the channel. Hope any of that makes sense.
But, I've seen my share of new dancers, who most have seem to have been guided by experienced dancers, not only in dancing ability, but in talking (lies) to customers also.
When I see a new dancer in a club, I sit and talk with her and find out a little about her. If I can determine beforehand that she might go 'beyond' club expectations in her dancing skills, I'll take a chance and buy one or two dances from her. This all stems from "challenge and achievement" on my behalf. Kind of like, "can I break you in on 'extras'?" Just part of my pervertedness.
Bones, the point I was trying to make is that a person's basic morality doesn't suddenly change by being put in a different environment. If a girl is basically an honest person, she isn't going to change because she gets a job stripping. The opposite is also true.
The "other SC website" to which I was referring is STRIPCLUBLIST.COM. It can be fairly entertaining and depending on what you are looking for, can be mildly helpful. Of course TUSCL is THE source and is loaded with information and knowledge.
I didn't take your post as being an attack, at all. I am not the least bit misogynistic, though. I am definitely skeptical when it comes to the sincerity of most dancers, though, and keep a keen eye out for scamming. Like I said, I do not blame them... it is their job, and it determines how successful they will be.
Having said that, I don't believe that I've ever been scammed or conned, however, like the theme that keeps repeating on this board implies... how can we ever be sure? I have never caught any of "my girls" in any lies, and believe me I've tried to do so. Some of the stories that my prev-ATF told me were on the far fetched side, and some resulted in a request for money. Bail money, in one case (I guess I should add that to the "Gifts" discussion thread). However, everything added up and pointed to being true.
I guess what I'm rambling on about is that we are bombarded with news articles and web postings describing how PLs have been taken advantage of, so naturally you have to approach the dancers with open eyes - to be used for more than just oogling them. This skepticism causes me to look at everything that goes down (err, no pun intended), analyzing and scrutinizing and otherwise judging whether it's grifting or just another day in the life of a girl forced into dancing for the need of money.
The thing that really sucks about all of this is I THINK my ATF is a very special girl. We seem to have a lot in common and have a great time together (OTC), and I believe there could be something there between her and I, however my skeptic eye keeps hanging in there, trying to find discrepancies in stories, and cultivating doubts in what she professes to be feelings.
The following month, I ran into her again. But things were different now. The other Fillipina dancers had gotten to her and undid all my training. She wouldn't do 2 for $20 and wouldn't go as far as she did the last time. All my hard work right down the drain. I saw her again last month. She came over and sat with me but I just ignored her. She finally got up and left. I got better fish to fry...
I personally think this accounts for the "economic decline" that so many strippers claim to see. I've been hearing that complaint for many years. And as I'm sure you know there hasn't been a national recession in a very long time, although some regions, particularly parts of the Northeast, have done poorly at times. Just curious, where are you from?