Sates that are opening up the economy are extending this nightmare

What is a sate? Just kidding

I agree with you wgat

I mean wgaw. Now I mistyped, everything is contagious I guess.

Don't worry, we have been assured by the epidemiologists on this site that the seriousness of the virus has been overstated and that we are safe to resume all previous activities.

Everything's bigger in Texas

We're running a crazy experiment in the US. Georgia's numbers will soon tell us how much their opening affects things.

At least most states aren't saying "back to normal tomorrow!" and are being gradual

I’m strongly considering auditioning at Jaguar’s in Lubbock once the clubs are back open. 😊

Say it ain't so!!! *GASP* *SQUEAL*

Don't mind me. I just didn't want to feel left out of the drama queen panic posts. 😉

I think it is irresponsible them open up when no vaccine / cure. The spread of the virus will only increase extending and widening the nightmare. I was reading an extensive study / article that 17 pct USA sex workers infected with HIV (seems a bit high). What pct will have covid? As far as TJ the chances of infection who knows. One article said 1 in 125 persons there HIV infected. With covid in picture who knows. A guy from old workplace wants make a hobby trip to TJ. He loves do them bare back “just add a few extra bucks he said.”

It has to open up now in areas that infections are flattening. Hospitals can handle a surge now. Now it's just a numbers game and it's now the new normal life risk.

Here here Payer11. Now granted, that approach could cripple our economy for a decade, lead to even more widespread unemployment for 10s of millions, cause millions of children to be raised in abject poverty, make food even more scarce as supply chains bread down further and lead to a variety of social ills ranging from spikes in suicides to increases in domestic abuse. But if it gives even one 80 year old another few years to play canasta with her friends in the nursing home (with social distancing and face masks of course), then by God it is worth it. 😉

In all seriousness, one of my pet peeves through this whole thing has been this mantra that goes around that if everyone socially distances, that it will all be done with faster. No, it makes everything go slower and the entire point of flattening the curve IS to make it go slower.

There’s good points to be made keeping things shut down. There’s good points to be made opening things up. Whether Texas is making a bad or good decision, I’m not going to get into anyone about it. But no, Texas isn’t *extending* the nightmare. It’s here whether we like it or not.

"... one of my pet peeves through this whole thing has been this mantra that goes around that if everyone socially distances, that it will all be done with faster ..."

Well I guess all the leading scientific experts of about every developed country in the world were wrong - I can see @spice soon being part of Trump's CoronaVirus task-force and appearing at Trump's daily-briefings

Well technically speaking, letting a ton of people die all at once would make it go faster. 🙂 Not claiming it’s a good outcome, just faster.

I don’t think I’d be allowed to be a part of Trump briefings either. I’m not tall, leggy, and from Eastern Europe.

^ Brilliant - tits *and* brainz

I think states like TX and GA may be jumping the gun - those states *are* mostly warm climates which perhaps will help fighting the virus - the worrisome part for me is that TX and GA are near the bottom in testing (per million PLs) so IDK if they should be the first candidates to "getter done"

Yee-haw.
I like that Texas is pro-business.
Let’s get back to work!

https://blogmaverick.com/2020/05/07/i-hi…

Apparently, businesses aren’t following sanitation rules 100%z This makes me suspect that lap dances have a good chance of being business as usual. And to boot, this was the first city in Texas to have a citywide shutdown and was also the place griping the hardest when shutdowns initially wasn’t imposed on the entire state. I could be wrong but it will be interesting to keep watching out for.

I really like nicespice. Off topic yes. But just saying.

I can’t see destroying the economy for the benefit of a few old people that are on their last legs anyway. I say this with full realization I am an old people. Everybody dies sooner or later.

I wish my dipshit state and the one just south would re open. :(

"... Apparently, businesses aren’t following sanitation rules 100% ..."

Time and time again it has been shown that a good # of people don't follow the rules, e.g. civilians following mask-and-distancing guidelines- I seen plenty of vids where they open something like a restaurant or park, and people are bunched-up and not wearing-masks - open and social-distancing will likely not work too-well either b/c of people's habits or people that just don't give a s***

Nothing significant has changed up here, except now instead of one guy in WA state to get the covid rolling, there are 10,000. We are top of the line in terms of flattening the curve, and still can't get rid of it, and that's with everybody sheltering in place. How could we, since there's no cure, no vaccine, and insufficient testing? Add 4 weeks to this opening, and it will b 4x as bad, that's what happened in 1918. That said, people who can't telecommute are getting anxious since they can't earn and we're not set up to distro funds to this many people. Even if we could, the cost of living in most cities is so high that $1200 doesn't even cover rent... so the checks aren't even a short term solution. This set also disproportionately live hand to mouth with no savings and just a month or two to eviction as a normal matter of course. So... they're antsy to get back to work, to say the least. And you can't just brush them off, eventually they'll just go back anyway, if the choice is eviction or risk covid. There's not enough cops to bust millions of people trying to work. So, those who can will stay home, those who can't will risk it to one degree or another, government will have to let them or be seen as unsympathetic, and we will be way worse off in September. Lappers are so far out of the fucking question, I'm actually trying to figure out how to get some action from Mrs Carey.

DARK DAYS, BROTHERS, DARK DAYS.

Washington State has close to $800/wk max unemployment benefits, add to that the $600 federal benefit, that is $1400/wk probably all tax-free (that's $5600/mo), and if it's a couple receiving it, then over $10k/mo - how many people may be able to get this max benefit is another question but it sounds doable.

Also -AFAIK many states have passed laws against evicting folks for not being able to make rent during the lockdown.

If the state feels it’s hospitals can handle a surge it needs to begin reopening. NY was hit so hard and so fast it was scary. But NY also has probably the most congested population in terms of people being so crowded. Plus sending infected patients back to nursing homes and jails where distancing not an option did not help

Papi - laws against evicting ppl just kick the can down the road, the rent accrued is still owed so the eviction will happen once the law is retired.

Trying to get back rent is not going to be possible for most landlords, especially in Blue states. The idea thestate can cancel debt and contracts is a huge reason for people to simply not buy rental property. Unconstitutional as well, but the Government will end up using taxpayer money to pay off landlords. In ten years we will mourn the 100,000 who dies of the virus and the news will ignore the two million who will die as a result of the lockdown. England just estimated over 4,000 deaths related to cancellation of routine cardiac surgeries. In the end no one will have been saved, we will have just killed a differnt group of people. Life is a gamble. Open up everything and deal me in.

Yes, the virus is not going away quickly and will likely re-surge once things open up. But at some point, we need to realize that we literally do not have the resources to fight mother nature forever, any more than we can control the tides. Lockdowns have simply delayed the inevitable at dreadful cost.

All the goody bag money is running out and we cannot afford another multi-trillion dollar package. Heck, we couldn't afford the one that has already been handed out. The federal payments for people not to work expire by the end of July and those stimulus checks were spent as quickly as they arrived by people who were behind on rent and utilities. The federal government is already borrowing so much money now that private borrowers are going to be crowded out of debt markets, which will further hamper the recovery. States are running out of money fast.

Time to find a different path, such as heightened protection of the vulnerable while letting letting this damned thing wash through the rest of the populace.

massachusetts death rate for nursing home patients: 1/15; Massachusetts death rate for everyone else: 1/3667. Lockdown failed. 33 million unemployed nationwide: lockdown failed. Disruption in the meat supply to last years: lockdown failed. Percentage of deaths nationwide for people over 70: 84% of theaths, 12% of the population. Lockdown failed. Simple fact is that life has risks and life isn't fair. Life is a gamble: Open up everything and deal me in.

We've flattened the curve, we've got our first medicine that's actually proven to provide a level of effective treatment (perhaps not available at scale yet), the number of tests available in many states is reaching levels needed, and the economy has been battered pretty badly; this IS the time to start opening up, as is happening nearly everywhere. For good or ill, states are opening things at different paces, and we'll see the outcomes soon enough.

It's interesting to me that upmarket stores like Trader Joe's and Target are very aggressively following sanitization. Meanwhile Grocery Outlet bargain market is half assing it. Home Depot felt in between, and the on the floor workers don't seem especially worried about distancing.

I've been trying to advocate for a Middle Way for a while. High risk people need to aggressively distance. Concerts and conferences are going to be bad ideas for a while. I do hope that contracting covid gives immunity. Waiting for a vaccine seems impractical

The whole "flattening" the curve was to make sure our hospital systems were ready to go. NOW THEY ARE. many are facing financial ruin to be honest. Many nurses are furloughed, taking pay cuts, losing vacation time, etc. Plus the paper pushers in hospitals as well doing the same thing.

The state we should be looking at is FL..... they are opening up county by county based on numbers. It isn't a "free for all" it is caculated. We wont know for 3 weeks if it was good or bad idea. Same goes for Georgia and now Texas.

Now people say we shouldnt open up until a "vaccine".... do you know that the every year FLU vaccine only works about 60% of the time. So to wait for a "cure" will never come.

But we as a country are ready to start to open up at a case by case situation. Then control any "flair ups". In some states the spike in cases are actually pinpointed to a certain nursing home or meat packing plant. So when you see a state spike by 300 cases.... it could all come from one packing plant. It has happened in SD, MN, IA, etc.

We need to use the data not to strike fear but to make an accurate plan and shut down places where it is needed and open up places where it isn't needed.

I hope everyone stays safe and healthy.

#s can be a little tricky if looked at in absolutes - NY tends to heavily affect the #s in either direction - last stat I saw showed that if NY was taken out of the equation then the curve was actually increasing with the various hotspots occurring in other states.

We live in a society of pill poppers, so waiting for a vaccine is what they want. eating healthy, execrcising and making sure your immune system is strong takes effort; while popping pills or getting a vaccine leaves you time for your 7th bag of Doritos.

Nice you're wrong its extending the nightmare. If you look at countries that did a much better of job managing this they are past the worst of this. We are not. See S. Korea, Spain and even China.

^^^^ smh

Nicespice is right about flattening the curve, PROLONGS the time the disease is present in a community. Flattening results in LESS sick people in the beginning, but a longer duration of prevalence of disease in the community.

Just heard on my local news that Miami-Dade county is targeting May 18th for a phase-1 opening

If we truly locked down for three weeks no exceptions there would be no spread no host for the virus the end. The problem is Americans don't have the self control to do that.

somewhere I heard (or i read)
‘let my people go’...

Willie. Just stay in your house. I don’t think anybody’s forcing you to go out into the public.

This shutdown is political horse shit. This virus is no more contagious than regular flu and less deadly. The shutdown in most States is nothing but a power grab by the big govt socialists. Many of the measures are in direct violation of the Bill of Rights. The governor of MI needs to drug out of office and run-out of the State

Big reason to flatten the curve was so hospitals didn't get hit with vivid and flu at the same time. I say open it up now so that the second wave doesn't hit in September, when the regular flu starts up.

tiredTraveler... good point.

@TiredTraveler

You do realize that the death toll of COVID 19 is much higher than the 2017-2018 flu season which killed 61,000 and was apparently the worst one we've had since 1967. And I don't need to mention that we are far from done with this thing.

Literally three seconds of research could've shown you that before you made yourself look like a retard. But I guess the next thing you'll say is "Ah those socialist governors are putting down every death as COVID 19 to keep you locked up in your home!"

Wah, wah, wah, words hurt me. Wah, wah, wah kill everyone's future because I might get sick. If we applied how the lockdown lovers feel to military action; we'd be afraid to go to war with Malta.

yup.

There are flaws to having a lockdown for everyone. Why isolate the low risk and high risk folks all at once?

The hospitals now have capacity, and things are improving. In NJ the majority of the dead are aged and many are in nursing homes.

It is imperative to open the economy to allow folks to run their small businesses. It’s not appropriate to keep everyone home in a free society.

We are better equipped and more knowledgeable now, and we can open things up a little each week.

Think about it - small businesses can’t put profits over safety. Who would go to a small restaurant if their patrons were getting sick from the virus? It’s the large corporations who will do that crazy shit.

Tiredtraveler - Yeah right it's all political - at the expense of BILLIONS of lost revenue from sales, income, and motel taxes and other fees. Not buyin' it.

“Well I guess all the leading scientific experts of about every developed country in the world were wrong “

One of the lessons coming out of this experience is to realize that most people put forward as experts are in reality third rate political hacks. I’m looking at you Doctor Fauci ! Thirty years thriving in a government bureaucracy does make one wise. Just the opposite.

You know why deaths are so high in northern New Jersey ? Because the governor forced nursing homes to take back infected patients who were in hospitals. Ostensibly, some panel of experts advised the Governor that this made sense. Most grade schoolers would have realized this was a very, very bad idea. Over the last months, has government done more harm or good ?

At least the NJ Governor didn’t suggest ingesting bleach.

The truth is NJ politics makes Chicago seem well run and upstanding. I’m not sure - but I think the term Dirty Jersey is a political reference.

Sounds like we all agree that reopening will cause a spike in cases

Absolutely / so irresponsible. Until vaccine deaths will mount. Shut them down.

Open up the country; herd immunity; bury the dead; move on. Social distancing failed. Life has risk, even for those who quit and stay home.

There was never a complete lock down anyway. Grocery stores, wal-mart, target, pharmacies, gas stations, home depot, lowes were all open and very busy. Even with all this activity, the curve has been trending in the right direction in FL.
About 50% of the people I saw were wearing masks. Open up restaurants at least 50%, wear masks if you are in the high risk group. Let's all get back to work.

Reopening will not kill everyone and remaining shut down will not save everyone. An effective vaccine is years away if lucky. Low risk people have to get back to work.