Hierarchy of extras

From my experience, kissing can come in (no pun intended) before covered BJ and covered FS, and almost always before the uncovered versions.

Uncovered versions really belong OTC...and if you are thinking with your big head, those who offer uncovered in the club (unless you know them well from outside) should be avoided.

Uncovered FS is a whole different level entirely, way beyond even covered anal. Be careful for obvious, multiple reasons.

And for the ladies (dancers and customers) where is covered DATY and uncovered DATY? I suggest same ITC/OTC guidelines as above.

Finally, if I’m not into kissing and uncovered BJ/DATY with a particular dancer, why am I wasting my time? Personally not into cheap O’s, if I want that I can do it for free. For me the dancer has to be a stunning fantasy experience, and someone with which I have some measure of knowledge and trust: seen them multiple times ITC and probably OTC without any flags, seen their IG/twitter, seen online reviews, etc.

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Copy/Paste job from an article I posted exactly two years ago (to the day, oddly enough):

Touch-O-Meter - The LD Odomoter for Him

Level 0 - Air Dance or Sit on Hands - The dance sucks, and you might suck, too.

Level 1 - Legs, waist, back, feet, and whatever else is friend territory - Meh.

Level 2 - Butt - Ok

Level 3 - Tits - Better

Level 4 - Tit Lick or Suck - Much better

Level 5 - V over panties - Gateway mileage

Level 6 - V - On your way

Level 7 - Kiss on lips, cooties are loose

Level 8 - FIV - You can get her off, good for you

Level 9 - LFK - Gets interesting from here

Level 10 - DATY - Here it cums. The stripper version of a name tattoo, plus she gets off.

Level 11 - DFK - Just like high school, with strippers.

Level 12 - Tongue Fuck - There's a difference. They know it and you know it.

Level 13 - Covered (you call it) - It’s sex. All kinds of stuff is getting touched. Sort of.

Level 14 - Bareback (you call it) - It’s sex. You’re touching something on her raw dawg.

Level 15 - Ass Play - That's all you, bro.

The article I posted got immediately spammed. Maybe you'll have better luck with your thread.

You mean a hookers menu

I think we have enough acronyms, etc.

Hand job (dick out) beats a covered blow job any day of the week for me. Anal might as well not be on the list for me. Titty fuck and LDK don't do much for me.

Dont have much critiques of the ranking. Id just include the assjob in there. I consider it between covered sex and a covered blowjob. Its a lot of fun if a girl isnt afraid of a little moisture at the ned It used to be a common occurence in medium mileage clubs, but these days girls either asdk me to put mini me back in my pants or put the cover on for FS.

Assjob for the newbies.

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Extras hierarchy?

You mean levels of chumpery.

SJG

Here's the scale I always use in regards to extras.

0. Dancer stays about three feet away from and basically just dances.

1. Air dance, but dancer is at least less than an inch from you.

2. Some contact, a bit intermittent and often stops when she thinks you are too excited

3. One way lap dance, she can touch you but you can't touch her.

4. Lap dance, you can touch anyplace except tits, and pussy.

5. Two way contact, everything but pussy, no extras

6. Two way contact, light extras basically foreplay, HJ, Kissing, rubbing her crotch, through her panties, etc.

7. Extras, CBJ, FIV, DFK

8. Full extras, BBBJ, DATY, CFS, Good ITC fun, but probably not a good OTC candidate.

9. Full extras and great ITC makeout sessions. Possible OTC candidate.

10. Reserved for dancers that go above and beyond. Extremely skilled, not rushed and great OTC material.

"but these days girls either ask me to put mini me back in my pants or..."

Guys are going to approach this differently, right, but at most of the clubs I go to if the trouser snake comes out univited there's gonna be trouble. lol.

"0. Dancer stays about three feet away from and basically just dances."

That is less than zero. Way less than zero. Might as well stay home and watch skinemax.

I don't think that Kissing is an Extra. You have it one step below anal sex.

Warrior: I probably should have left kissing off the PL hierarchy, but I think it belongs just below anal sex on the stripper hierarchy. Do you know how many strippers that have blown and fucked me have told me kissing is “too personal?” A lot.

"Do you know how many strippers...have told me kissing is “too personal?” A lot."

I'm starting to change my thinking on this, because kissing has become a lot more common in my experience, but I'm not sure if the scene has changed or the way I'm approaching it has created the difference. It's a little awkward actually when dancers go in for a kiss on the floor where other customers are sitting, but a customer's gotta do what a customer's gotta do. This is the part where people get into the "where's her mouth been yadda yadda", and if you're caring about that you need another hobby or just don't do it. I was on my third ATF before I did more than a friendly kiss ITC, and let's just say I didn't initiate it but went with the moment. Maybe it was always just a perception gone wrong thing after that whole Julia Roberts character didn't kiss BS. But Pretty Woman came out a long time ago.

Kissing adds a lot as far as I am concerned. Way back in the 80’s in Raleigh, NC there was one or two clubs where it was common. You tip a girl on stage and she gives you a kiss. Sometimes it was just a peck, sometimes it was a DFK. I remember two girls in particular that were fantastic kissers. Since then I have mainly gotten just a light kiss on the lips occasionally, except for one woman who gave me great kisses as well as very high milage in our dances. She unfortunately moved back to Wisconsin. I would love to find a good kisser again. It really adds to the experience.

^^^^^ Always, Front Room DFKing before even considering taking her to the back room. Extensive FRMOS.

SJG

I would say kissing has the most variance among girls. Hell, even my fave it seemed to vary by the session, probably based on her current status with her on-again-off-afain open relationship"boyfriend".

I've had girls make out and do nothing else, and I've experienced girls who will do anything but kiss deeply.

I did a VIP recently with a new girl who just oozed sexuality. VIP turned into a full on 30 minute make out session that she initiated. While no LDK both of our hands did a lot of uncovered roaming. Probably the hottest session I’ve had in ages.

^^^^ But Front Room Makeout Sessions are an even better way to start!

SJG