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Ontology is the philosophical study of being

san_jose_guy
money was invented for handing to women, but buying dances is a chump's game
Tuesday, November 12, 2019 6:13 PM
Ontology is the philosophical study of being [view link] Having reached a point decades ago where it seemed like my career had been boxed in, turned into something just to get money, and that becoming more and more difficult. What had been lost was the feeling that it was about the work itself and the skills being used. What was being lost was the conviction that it was all and ends activity, something which had value in and of itself. So I started trying to broaden my education. I needed to learn new things, needed to go further than I had. So I came across the works of Maturana and Varela, in Chile, and particularly their book Tree of Knowledge. [view link] [view link] Autopoiesis [view link] The book has lots of pictures. But it is also a rare book that I could not assimilate it just by skimming in the book store. More than anything, I think it does a tremendous job of showing us how deeply embedded into popular psychology we find Social Darwinism. And it completely debunks this. It challenges us to grow and to change how we think about ourselves and about society. We are told of how things are effected by events, and we are told to look at ourselves as quite autonomous. And we are told about biological adaptation. But this book in great detail shows us how there is always a couple to the environment, and that what things which happen are simply being triggered by outside events, but that potentiality had to have been there already. And we are told about Phylogenic Drift, as opposed to biological adaptation. This book changed me greatly and sent me in directions that I finally decades later feel are finally starting to pan out. Ontology is that other way of looking at things instead of Epistemology. SJG Miles Davis - Call It Anything (Miles Electric) [view link]

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  • san_jose_guy
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    5 years ago
    Some of where this goes talked about here: [view link] And more about Yezidi to come here: [view link] I would go from Tree of Knowledge to Embodied Mind: [view link] SJG
  • Fun_Loving_Fella
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    5 years ago
    This is about as on topic as using strip clubs to find prostitutes
  • jackslash
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    5 years ago
    Entomology is the study of insects.
  • san_jose_guy
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    5 years ago
    The Embodied Mind: Cognitive Science and Human Experience Varela, Thompson, and Rosch. The latter two being at UC Berkeley. And there is an updated edition of this now: [view link] So this brings in Cognitive Science, Psychology, and Artificial Intelligence. And they look at it as being in three levels, or three concentric circles. The Cognitive Model is the smallest circle. This is things like Marvin Minsky and MIT, and the rules inference or expert system approach. Next is the Emergent Model, like basically neural networks, not explict representation. The most advanced is the Enactive Model, which is more like ALife. They showed the works of Rodney Brooks and his subsumption model as being one of the most advanced. But very little AI work was at this level, most of what has been hyped is just bull shit. I also feel that their level 3, Enactive Model, is more consistent with Existentialism, and this goes with how they draw upon the UCB Heidegger Expert Hubert Dreyfus. But today we look to a 4th level, Poststructuralism. But this work is going on still, and people are getting smarter about this. I just found this: [view link] and here is the above guy's book: [view link] This is available, but it is not the same book. The philosophy of artificial intelligence / edited by Margaret A. Boden 1990 This from 2006 [view link] this is a good book: [view link] this older book is good: [view link] and this new book looks really good [view link] [view link] so some earlier discussions on this thread: [view link] So here is that awesome Dreyfus paper, full text. [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
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    5 years ago
    Walter Jackson Freeman III [view link] [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
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    5 years ago
    Dasein disclosed : John Haugeland's Heidegger / John Haugeland ; edited by Joseph Rouse (2013) Hagueland lived 1945 to 2010, and Dreyfus mentions him in his paper. available, and lots of books from this John Haugeland. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
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    5 years ago
    See, Samuel Todes, Body and World (Cambridge, MA: The MIT Press, 2001). Todes goes beyond Merleau-Ponty in showing how our worlddisclosing perceptual experience is structured by the structure of our bodies. Merleau-Ponty never tells us what our bodies are actually like and how their structure affects our experience. Todes points out that our body has a front/back and up/down orientation. It moves forward more easily than backward, and can successfully cope only with what is in front of it. He then describes how, in order to explore our surrounding world and orient ourselves in it, we have to balance ourselves within a vertical field that we do not produce, be effectively directed in a circumstantial field (facing one aspect of that field rather than another), and appropriately set to respond to the specific thing we are encountering within that field. For Todes, then, perceptual receptivity is an embodied, normative, skilled accomplishment, in response to our need to orient ourselves in the world. Clearly, this kind of holistic background coping is not done for a reason. Describing the phenomenon of everyday coping as being “geared into” the world and moving towards “equilibrium” suggests a dynamic relation between the coper and the environment. Timothy van Gelder calls this dynamic relation between coper and environment coupling, explaining its importance as follows: The fundamental mode of interaction with the environment is not to represent it, or even to exchange inputs and outputs with it; rather, the relation is better understood via the technical notion of coupling. . . . The post-Cartesian agent manages to cope with the world without necessarily representing it. A dynamical approach suggests how this might be possible by showing how the internal operation of a system interacting with an external world can be so subtle and complex as to defy description in representational terms—how, in other words, cognition can transcend representation. Timothy Van Gelder, Dynamics and cognition, Mind Design II, John Haugeland, Ed., A Bradford Book (Cambridge, MA: The MIT Press, 1997), 439, 448. Van Gelder shares with Brooks the existentialist claim that thinking such as problem solving, is grounded in a more basic relation of body and world. As van Gelder puts it: Cognition can, in sophisticated cases, [such as breakdowns, problem solving, and abstract thought] involve representation and sequential processing; but such phenomena are best understood as emerging from a dynamical substrate, rather than as constituting the basic level of cognitive performance.56 This dynamical substrate is precisely the causal basis of the skillful coping first described by Heidegger and worked out in detail by Merleau-Ponty and Todes. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
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    5 years ago
    OT: Assembler, C/C++, Embedded Systems, Machine Architectures, Development Systems, JTAG, Rust [view link] Stanford Center for Computer Music [view link] Computer Generated Jazz Improv [view link] Aiva Computer Generated Music Examples [view link] Computers Generate Music, BBC [view link] Computer Music Ge Wang, TEDx [view link] SJG Camel - Lunar Sea (Live) [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
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    5 years ago
    Aiva, 1 hour of AI composed music [view link] SJG
  • TrollWarnBot
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    5 years ago
    WARNING - The following accounts are considered to be forum trolls and may not be trustworthy: san_jose_guy - Commonly referred to as SJG this forum member may have some sort of mental illness and is usually mocked or ignored. SJG has a long history of posting incendiary comments including being pro-rape. His comments should NOT be taken in any way as legitimate.
  • san_jose_guy
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    5 years ago
    ^^^^^^^ TrollWarnBot, he is very busy, going from strip club to strip club, installing the new matter anti-matter extended duration power packs in the FemBots, so that they can keep grinding continuously 24/7 for decades and decades. He installs these new versions under their breasts, so it looks like they just got a boob job. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
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    5 years ago
    Ge Wang, and video above: [view link] SJG
  • Fun_Loving_Fella
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    5 years ago
    You’re still doing that thing where you spam the board with post after post on your OT threads, and then you wonder why people think you’re a pest.
  • san_jose_guy
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    5 years ago
    ^^^^^ FunLoving, if you want to post something constructive, please do. Otherwise it is you who are being a pest. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
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    5 years ago
    Dubstep, very interesting program and video: [view link] SJG
  • Fun_Loving_Fella
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    5 years ago
    Here’s something constructive: When nobody else is engaging in you OT threads, that is a social cue that it is time for you to let the thread go. Now that threads stay open you don’t even have that excuse to cling to. Notice how DC started posting a lot less frequently after the incident where he was advocating for adult on child sex? That’s because another user clued him in on the existence of an online community that not only tolerates, but encourages those types of rationalizations (NAMBLA). Instead of posting so many off topic threads here, you could find an online community that is interested in those subjects. That way you could have an engaging conversation with other living humans instead of continually bumping the same posts that most people have on ignore. Even though thread ignore exists it is still a nuisance because ignored threads count toward the number of posts on the front page. You may think what you are doing is harmless, but it actually is reducing the quality of this board. Continuing this behavior shows that you don’t actually care about the consequences of your actions.
  • san_jose_guy
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    5 years ago
    Oh FunLoving, that must be so stressful, someone holding a pistol right to your temple, forcing you to read my posts, not letting your use ignore. Is it a .22 pistol? SJG
  • san_jose_guy
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    5 years ago
    Ge Wang, Stanford, really interesting [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
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    5 years ago
    Ge Wang, Stanford, really interesting [view link] ChucK, a programming language written for music, by Ge Wang. [view link] [view link] [view link] SJG Relaxing Blues Music Vol 7 Mix Songs | Rock Music 2018 HiFi [view link]
  • Fun_Loving_Fella
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    5 years ago
    If you had read what I wrote you would see that the way you responded to me didn’t actually make sense. That’s ok though, I don’t read much of what you write either. I was just pointing out that this post is an example of why people don’t like you. Seems that you really are just trolling the board in an attempt to reduce the post quality.
  • san_jose_guy
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    5 years ago
    That guy holding the .22 to your head, does he use copper jacketed rounds, or does he use hollow point? [view link] G. Randy Slone, I don't agree with him about everything, but he wrote good books and he also sold some products. Some were circuit boards for what it describes in the books. Others were this thing he called the "audio engine", no integrated circuits in the signal path. Again I don't agree with everything he did, but still worth studying. He has passed away, did have a continuing tribute web site. Not sure if it exists anymore. SJG
  • Fun_Loving_Fella
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    5 years ago
    I don’t get it
  • san_jose_guy
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    5 years ago
    Learn to use ignore you fuckhead. And we know who you really are! SJG
  • san_jose_guy
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    5 years ago
    The Science of Dubstep | James Humberstone | TEDxOxford [view link] [view link] Dubstep Gaming Music 2019 [view link] 2018 Best Dubstep [view link] SJG
  • Fun_Loving_Fella
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    5 years ago
    Please explain
  • san_jose_guy
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    5 years ago
    The Science of Dubstep | James Humberstone | TEDxOxford [view link] numbers he was given 2, 5, 7 then 10, 12, 6 then 9, 1, 3 [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
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    4 years ago
    So Varela Thompson and Rosch really influenced me 25 years ago, expanded my thinking. [view link] But I also felt that it did not go far enough. Talks about 3 levels. I felt that it needed a 4ht level, Postmodernism, Poststructuralism. So there is a new edition of the book: [view link] So I suspect that the new edition does not add this forth level. There is a key diagram, circles within circles which would have to have been changed. And the new author they added, I suppose to respond to the death of Varela, will make the book more Buddhist. I still should look at it anyway. Yes, this is the new edition: The embodied mind : cognitive science and human experience / ; Francisco J. Varela, Evan Thompson, and Eleanor Rosch ; new foreword by Jon Kabat-Zinn ; new introductions by Evan Thompson, Eleanor Rosch. (2016) I also take notice of this: Enaction : toward a new paradigm for cognitive science / edited by John Stewart, Olivier Gapenne, and Ezequiel A. Di Paolo. (2014), in library listings, but not actually available. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
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    4 years ago
  • san_jose_guy
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    4 years ago
    How AI Is Shaping the Future of ERP Software [view link] and Gartner is a major leader in this entire arena, going back for decades. Very good article, over view of field and how it has developed over time [view link] SJG
  • san_jose_guy
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    4 years ago
  • san_jose_guy
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    4 years ago
    Artificial Intelligence and Games, by Georgios N. Yannakakis and Julian Togelius, (2018) readily available. [view link] [view link] SJG Mexico City [view link] [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
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    4 years ago
    John H. Holland [view link] Emergence : from chaos to order / John H. Holland (1998) Signals and boundaries : building blocks for complex adaptive systems / John H. Holland. (2012) Complexity : a very short introduction / John H. Holland (2014) Holland also worked with Santa Fe Institute. SJG [view link] TJ Street [view link] [view link] [view link] Robin Trower - For Earth Below (1975) [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
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    4 years ago
    Why Heideggerian AI Failed and how Fixing it would Require making it more Heideggerian Hubert L. Dreyfus (43 pages) [view link] [view link] [view link] includes a Hubert Dreyfus chapter: [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link] SJG [view link] [view link] TJ Street [view link] [view link] [view link] Mexico City [view link] [view link] [view link] Robin Trower - For Earth Below (1975) [view link] In City Dreams (1977) [view link] Robin Trower - Caravan To Midnight (Full Album) 1978 [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
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    4 years ago
    Gerardus Blokdyk, not in libraries. But Blokdijk, Gerard. is. But not his books about ERP and AI. But this is: Artificial intelligence in practice : how 50 successful companies used artificial intelligence to solve problems / Bernard Marr ; with Matt Ward. (2019) Hands-on machine learning with Scikit-Learn, Keras, and TensorFlow : concepts, tools, and techniques to build intelligent systems / Aurélien Géron (2019 Second Edition, in high demand, 819 pages) and Generative deep learning : teaching machines to paint, write, compose, and play / David Foster. (2019 First Edition) but not in libraries, book with a Dreyfus contribution, Karl Leidlmair After Cognitivism: A Reassessment of Cognitive Science and Philosophy 2009 Edition [view link] Not available: [view link] But look what is available: Hands-on computer vision with Julia : build complex applications with advanced Julia packages for image processing, neural networks, and artificial intelligence / Dmitrijs Cudihins. (2018) might not actually be available at this time. Hands-on concurrency with Rust : confidently build memory-safe, parallel, and efficient software in Rust / Brian L. Troutwine (2018) I need a brain trust. No one person could possibly keep up! This is why My Organization will be structured as a think tank with many sections! SJG
  • san_jose_guy
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    4 years ago
    AI Crash Course: A fun and hands-on introduction to machine learning, reinforcement learning, deep learning, and artificial intelligence with Python (2019) by Hadelin de Ponteves [view link] ( Q-Learning and getting things from GitHub) ^^^^^ Not presently in libraries SJG
  • san_jose_guy
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    4 years ago
    Stuart Russell Artificial Intelligence: A Modern Approach 3rd Edition [view link] Stewart Russell has written many books, like Human compatible : artificial intelligence and the problem of control / Stuart Russell (2019 available) and Artificial intelligence : a modern approach / Stuart J. Russell and Peter Norvig ; contributing writers, John F. Canny ... [and others] (2003 available) SJG
  • san_jose_guy
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    4 years ago
    Artificial Intelligence: A Guide for Thinking Humans Melanie Mitchell ^^^^ I recognize her name, she has written other no nonsense good books! [view link] Many of her books available, but not yet the above. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
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    4 years ago
    [view link] Dec 2019 book, not yet available in libraries. SJG
  • san_jose_guy
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    4 years ago
    So what is TensorFlow, in the present context? [view link] TensorFlow is a free and open-source software library for dataflow and differentiable programming across a range of tasks. It is a symbolic math library, and is also used for machine learning applications such as neural networks. License: Apache License 2.0 Stable release: 2.1.0 / January 8, 2020; 25 days ago Initial release date: November 9, 2015 Developer(s): Google Brain Team Written in: Python, C++, CUDA Platforms: Linux, macOS, Microsoft Windows, Android, JavaScrip [view link] Some currently in libraries TensorFlow books: Deep learning pipeline : building a deep learning model with TensorFlow / Hisham El-Amir, Mahmoud Hamdy (2020 high demand) coming soon: Deep Learning With Javascript : Neural Networks in Tensorflow.js (2020) Practical machine learning and image processing : for facial recognition, object detection, and pattern recognition using Python / Himanshu Singh (2019) high demand Hands-On Unsupervised Learning Using Python : how to build applied machine learning solutions from unlabeled data. / Ankur A. Patel (2019 O'Reilly, high demand ) Hands-on machine learning with Scikit-Learn, Keras, and TensorFlow : concepts, tools, and techniques to build intelligent systems / Aurélien Géron (2019, high demand) And lots and lots of other books available. What is Scikit-Learn? Scikit-learn (formerly scikits.learn and also known as sklearn) is a free software machine learning library for the Python programming language.[3] It features various classification, regression and clustering algorithms including support vector machines, random forests, gradient boosting, k-means and DBSCAN, and is designed to interoperate with the Python numerical and scientific libraries NumPy and SciPy. On GitHub [view link] [view link] for Python. Tends to be the same books as above. But look at: Data science with Python and Dask / Jesse C. Daniel (2019, still high demand.) What is Dask? [view link] Dask is a library for parallel computing in Python [view link] available books? Data science with Python and Dask / Jesse C. Daniel (2019) high demand SJG B minor has the same scale as D major, and that is an intense, haunting key, often used by Red Hot Chili Peppers B Minor Jam - Eric Clapton (461 Ocean Boulevard) [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
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    4 years ago
    Apache Hadoop ( /həˈduːp/) is a collection of open-source software utilities that facilitate using a network of many computers to solve problems involving massive amounts of data and computation. It provides a software framework for distributed storage and processing of big data using the MapReduce programming model. Originally designed for computer clusters built from commodity hardware[3]—still the common use—it has also found use on clusters of higher-end hardware.[4][5] All the modules in Hadoop are designed with a fundamental assumption that hardware failures are common occurrences and should be automatically handled by the framework. [view link] [view link] SJG Deep Purple-Child in Time [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
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    4 years ago
    So what does scikit-learn do? [view link] User Guide [view link] FAQ [view link] A lot of work went into this. They are smart not to associate it with "Artificial Intelligence" as good stuff gets trashed that way. They keep it at Machine Learning. scikit-learn for Python, and works with NumPy and SciPy Maybe a little bit like some of the add ons for R ?? SJG Squatting in high heels [view link] Peter Frampton Do You Feel Like We Do (2019, quite interesting) [view link] Creedence Clearwater Revival - I Heard It Through The Grapevine [view link] Amy Winehouse/Paul Weller - I heard it through the grapevine.Hootynanny 2006. [view link] [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
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    4 years ago
    So re-writing my OP: So some decades back, I had reached a point in my career where I knew that something was going to have to be changed. I had worked myself into a position of expertise, where I actually held conceptual responsibility. But I could also see that there were industry and technology changes in play, and that some entrepreneurial gambits were really quite flaky, and so I was going to have to be doing something different. I had always wanted to do original work, insisted upon it. I was not going to be someone's screw tightener. And the work which I did was supposed to have intrinsic value. It was not supposed be just a way to get money, as that was how people who sell things live. So I had started out with the greatest expectations and poured myself into it. But now things were changing and I was just being forced along. So I had to examine myself and try to find my roots. What had been lost was the feeling that it was about the work itself and the skills being used. What was being lost was the conviction that it was all an ends activity, rather than just a means to an ends activity, something which had value in and of itself. So I started trying to broaden my education. I needed to learn new things, needed to go further than I had. So I came across the works of Maturana and Varela, in Chile, and particularly their book Tree of Knowledge. [view link] The book has lots of pictures. But it is also a rare book, in that I could not assimilate it just by skimming in the book store. More than anything, I think it does a tremendous job of showing us how deeply embedded into popular psychology we find Social Darwinism. And it completely debunks this. It challenges us to grow and to change how we think about ourselves and about society. It makes us re-examine how we know, and even how and what we are. We are told of how things are effected by events, and we are told to look at ourselves as quite autonomous. And we are told about biological adaptation. But this book in great detail shows us how there is always a couple to the environment, and that the things which happen are simply being triggered by outside events, but that potentiality had to have been there already. And we are told about Phylogenic Drift, as opposed to the Darwinian idea of Biological Adaptation. This book changed me greatly and sent me in directions that I finally decades later feel are finally starting to pan out. Ontology is that other way of looking at things, instead of Epistemology. And so I came to this book, which brings in Cognitive Science, Artificial Intelligence Research, and Mahayana Buddhism. [view link] But back then it was the first edition of the book. And then what was being called Artificial Intelligence by most of the world was nonsense, idiocy, not philosophically credible. Okay, well that was a long time ago, and now their are lots of other books written, and there is a second edition of this book. Why is this important? Doesn't each successful start up company just take jobs away from other people? And does making new things really amount to that much? We live in a society of gross surplus. We already produce more of every kind of good and service than we need. So utility, efficiency, does not mean much. But I realized something else, what was being then called artificial intelligence was idiotic. MIT had long been a big part of the problem. But in large measure how we understand cognition and how we understand ourselves, is related to how we try to make smart machines. Just like in "The Tree of Knowledge", we are changed when we use more smarts and philosophy in trying to make smart machines. We start to move beyond Social Darwinism. SJG TJ Street [view link] Wes Montgomery - Round Midnight [view link] Bill Evans [view link] Frampton [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
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    4 years ago
    So as we live in a society of gross surplus, already too much of everything produced, and people already being talked down to by computers, what good would any Artificial Intelligence work do? Well it depends on the type of Artificial Intelligence. The name is poorly chosen. Probably better to dump it. But much of the foolishness was propagated by the MIT AI Lab's director Marvin Minsky. He was following the representational paradigm, arguably coming from the philosopher John Locke. What is important here is that it depends on total subject and object split. So there is an exiting world, and then you come to be in it, and your mind is supposed to absorb representations. And then the upshot is that if you are not measuring up to expectations then you are either slothful or sinful. People understand themselves and each other, and they make harsh judgements, using the same kinds of understanding used to program computers. So how about if we can change the ways which people program computers. I had learned already from UC Berkeley's Hubert Dreyfus, who had left MIT and was a decades long foe of Marvin Minsky, instead going with Martin Heidegger. But back when I was first reading about this the only kind of AI people knew about was this Minsky type, completely off base. SJG TJ Street [view link]
  • san_jose_guy
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    4 years ago
    So when you have this naive objectivity, the total subject object split. Then we see ourselves and others as being launched into a per-existing and separated world. And then the expectation is that one will comply with societal expectations, and that one is bad if they do not. But when we get to a more developed ontology, it no longer looks that way. SJG Devadip Carlos Santana & Turiya Alice Coltrane - Illuminations (1974 - Album) [view link] 10", strapped on, 5 colors [view link] TJ Street [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link] [view link]
  • SJGTHREATENSWOMEN
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    3 years ago
    ESS JAY GEE
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