Opening a new club

There was one dancer in the club today when I was there. She was only there because I asked her to be there. Did 10 dances with her, paid her and I left, then she left. At least I got a VIP card out of it, so I'll never have to pay a cover charge again at any Christie's. So I got that going for me, which is nice.

I wonder if they’ll honor the card at Christie’s Tempe. Free lunch for life ? And, there is no ID on the card. Sell it on eBay.

Incidentally, Bill Murray’s appearance in Caddyshack only took a few days to film and was all adlibbed. Fucking genius.

You would think that being close to the airport it would help.

Phoenix is populated by wealthy old guys from the Midwest whose favorite restaurant is Olive Garden. The Taj Mahal of strip clubs feels like a bad fit.

Pool/pond? Pond would be good for you.

Sounds like they are trying to do a Tootsies or Baby Dolls type club from scratch. If they spent 3.5M for reno, I assume they have some money for advertising. I would think they could get dancers from the Tempe location to take some shifts at the new club. Maybe let it be known that hires at the new location don't have any tip out for the first 3 months.

Alternatively, find and hire dancers that worked at Hi Liter 4 - 5 years ago and then turn a blind eye on the VIP. Where ya at Butterfly?

They need to avoid charging house fees to dancers the first six months or so. Or they could go the opposite and pay $100 bonus to any dancer willing to come in the first month or two to build up a stable of dancers. Undercut all of the other local clubs by offering drinks dirt cheap, like $2 a bottle for beer. This will get customers to come in. Once the number of dancers and clientele are up, they can gradually raise prices to what it in their business plan.

It’s kind of weird but sometimes a location just isn’t any good, there are a few spots near here that no matter who goes in and how much money they are willing to spend the venue just fails.

”then turn a blind eye on the VIP”

They put the VIP area out in the open ( albeit on the upper floor ). This seems like a really bad design decision to me and one that is not easily changed.

"They put the VIP area out in the open ( albeit on the upper floor ). This seems like a really bad design decision to me and one that is not easily changed."

^ @mark that's so bad. That club has an upstairs area that's perfect for VIPs. And in the past there was even a ground floor area that had a translucent glass partition wall that was somewhat private too. To me the main floor is for cheap topless dances and those other areas are places they could easily 'blind-eye'.

^ sorry I just saw the VIP was on the upper floor. Oops.

I never went upstairs there. Is there a way they could partition the openness? With curtains or something?

I didn’t go upstairs but a dancer I know described it to me while we were there. It looks down on the main floor from the balcony. Completely open, so partitioning would be tough. They have an attendant parked at a podium with an unobstructed view of all the VIP dances.

Not uncommon for new clubs IME to often have issues attracting dancers and/or custies - I guess this may be especially so in an area w/ an already good SC scene w/ established clubs.

IDK enough about what goes on behind the scenes which makes some clubs have a lot of dancers, and other o/w seemingly nice clubs not be able to get many - of course custy-#s/$$$-potential one would assume is the biggest variable for dancers picking a club, but it seems some clubs/management are kinda anal which seems to make dancers not wanna dance there, or the club takes too-much from them.

w.r.t. the VIP setup - I would assume local ordinances often dictate how private VIPs can be and new clubs likely will take less chances and/or they may be checked-up on by the regulators as part of their opening process

Is this the one across from the mall and Claim Jumpers? I went there once about 18 months ago and thought it was pretty decent, with decent girls.

Anyway, I'd think a happy hour Mon - Fri that's 5 - 10 PM, coupled with 3 for 2 dance specials throughout the night might help with clientele.

"I didn’t go upstairs but a dancer I know described it to me while we were there. It looks down on the main floor from the balcony. Completely open, so partitioning would be tough. They have an attendant parked at a podium with an unobstructed view of all the VIP dances."

^ Something as simple as moveable curtains hanging around the balcony would help with the privacy and entice customers downstairs to wonder what kind of magic happens in the VIP. As she's taken up there, the stripper closes the curtains and all you see from downstairs is her silhouette. And then to round out the privacy the lighting could be dimmed and the podium attendant just makes token glances in the area and ignores what he sees unless it's blatantly obvious.

The one across from the mall is Christie’s Tempe. This is Christie’s Phoenix, just north of the airport.

Always a chicken and egg situation.

SJG