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So “modified” Bugatti Chiron hit 304 mph on a test track. I heard one announcer say they needed tires built for that speed. I wonder what other changes were made. The off-the-shelf version of this car puts out 1000 hp. I suppose they would need different gearing ( transmission and transaxle?). Anyone want one?

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I saw that video. I'll tell you that for decades the world's land speed record stayed around there.

From having written simulation programs for these issues. It is very hard to design anything like an automobile which can have the tractive force be equal to the force of air drag at those speeds.

It does not matter how much engine power you have, the force of the air drag is just too much.

So if you can do it, that does not mean that you have much control.

If you want to go at speeds even approaching that, better to have an airplane, as that is controlled by air surfaces, and in all three rotation axes.

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You think it is safe to go 300 mph in an automobile?

No, it is not. The control force exerted by the tires is just barely equal to the force of the air drag.

Want to go 300mph? It doesn't take 1500 mph and the associated fuel consumption. It only takes 300hp, like the engine from a Cherokee 6. Hartzell 3 blade variable pitch propeller generates thrust in excess of the aerobatic loading weight. Verticle 8's, speed well in excess of 30mph.

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Speed well in excess of 300mph

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In an automobile, you only have control when the wheels are on the ground and weighted, and when it is moving in the direction which the wheels turn.

Any upset, and that is no longer true.

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This originally was coming from Twin Commander, then bought by Piper. Seats 6.

2x 350 HP engines. But this is just half of the fuel consumption of that Bugatti.

en.wikipedia.org

And it is pressurized, so you don't have to use oxygen to get at high speed altitudes.

flyingmag.com

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Twin Comanche
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2x 160hp, not pressurized, later versions counter rotating ( opposite of P-38 )

also
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4 seat version, 185mph cruise.

aopa.org

Notice that the one in this picture is not counter rotating. Combination of this and poor training methods had made light twins have a much higher fatality rate. Problem seems to be solved, but they do use more fuel.

piperflyer.org

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i just woke up in a new bugatti

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So they are rebuilding these Twin Commander's as turbo props.

Twin turbo must be very expensive. I think there are muliple firms doing this too.

twincommander.com

Just look at this version, 960A

twincommander.com

Honeywell engines. Max cruise 328mph.

For long range they want you to be at 31,000 ft.

Still under 12,000 gross to stay within light aircraft classification. But today insurance companies will still want something akin to type certification.

I would think these are pressurized, but I am not seeing that.

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Piper PA-42 Cheyenne
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Seeming alteration of Cheyenne from piston to turbo prop!

$3.8 Meg, today!

Some as high as $17 Meg today

close to 300mph, maybe 8 to 10 seats?

Lots of versions.

Development totally unrelated to Aerostar.

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Saving the best for last. And we know that one of our regulars owns a share of one of these.

Very rarely am I envious of things people post, but I was of this.

Start with this, C90gtx
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maximum cruise speed 272 ktas = 313.01201 miles per hour

2x 550 shaft hp.

Must be very expensive!

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Textron Aviation, that had or does own Cessna.

Does this mean that Beechcraft no longer connects to the UK Hawker?

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Fascinating how he can have a discussion with himself. You’d think it would be less work to just walk around his mom’s basement in his underoos talking to himself...

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^^^^^^ funny how the asswipe known as Cashman1234 has nothing to contribute to a thread, but he still posts anyway.

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I gonna race a Bugatti with the shit truck

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This is a case of the pot calling the kettle black, considering SJG’s presence on a strip club website where he’s never provided a single review.

The first page of The Front Room features a multitude of discussions created by you and in which you are the only poster.

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You Cashman1234 are the one who only seems to be able to post negative meta-narratives.

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So there used to be one higher power King Air. But as of now, this is it, 2x 1050 shaft hp.

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And this is the extended range version:

max range 2,692 nm = 3098 statue miles

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Bombardier Aviation
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Bombardier Q400, look at the 6 blade props.
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WIKI, 5000 shaft hp per engine, but 7000hp for short term, like engine out.

Typical cruise 414 mph.

Have no idea of the cost, would want extender tanks for long range.

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Yeah, so now they are calling the Q400 "dash 8".

67,000 lbs gross take off weight. ( B-17 36,000lbs B-29 120,000 747 about 810,000 lbs, A380 about 50% more. )

Range not great, but could have extender tanks some how.

Want $32.2 Meg 2017

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Dassalut Falcon 8x

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3 jet engines. Not sure how practical this is. They say the rules are looser for crossing water with 3 instead of 2 engines. But most airliners today, larger than this, use two engines.

6,450 nm = 7422 statute miles.

Range @ .80 Mach cruise
(8 pax, 3 crew, NBAA IFR reserves)
6,450 nm / 11,945 km

Max speed is mach 0.9 ( don't think many civil transportation jets can go this fast )

LA to Tokyo = 5483 statute miles

NYC to Paris = 3628 statute miles

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dassaultfalcon.com

Not seeing any costs.

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