“As I think about this, I don’t think I can really justify my relationship with strip clubs except to just straight-up admit I chase paid pussy like an addict. I have had a few trips to Las Vegas, Tampa, Atlanta, you name it, for no other purpose than to hang out at strip clubs."
"If my girlfriend and her friends would get naked and jack me off for $600, I would pay them to do it."
"Another justification is just that almost all rich people do this. You can take the most tween liberal celebrity or the most conservative pro-family politician and they all fucking engage in it."
I'm not saying there's no stigma attached to SC-ing, or that I talk about it to everyone I know. Part of the fun is doing something semi-secret or that I'm not supposed to. But I don't really feel any guilt about being perv-y, and if I have a good night there's no regrets about spending my money. If you asked me what my ideal way to spend a night would be, groping a variety of pleasant, good looking women and having them act cool about it would be top 5.
I think most guys on here aren't into strip clubbing though. For most active members, it seems that its just a euphemism for soliciting prostitution. Their use of said euphemism shows that they themselves realize what they're doing is wrong and the stigma attached to it. Otherwise they'd just openly say they troll strip clubs for hookers.
Bottom line; males are different from females and have different needs and urges; you can't expect a male to feel the same way a female does and see things exactly as females do - one can just look at the animal-kingdom to see the differences b/w males and females w.r.t. sex where the female is choosy and just looking for the one male to give her offspring - whereas the male is looking to fuck every willing female - it's how we're fucking wired; why fight the obvious.
Males need and want sex; often constantly - the avg woman is not at that level - we are biologically different - as long as there is no coercion then it's just biology taking manifesting-itself like it was since the beginning of time.
In other advanced societies this is accepeted - but in the US having sexual urges is seen as some kinda moral flaw - crazy; unrealistic; and counter-productive.
Wow took a fucking year but Icey's comment that "getting sex doesn't require hookers", is the first thing he has ever said that is correct. Having said that, it alos proves he doesn't get strip clubbing either. First off I read that some here like OTC, some like ITC, some like escorts, some like AMP's, some like Ldk, some like getting full contact laps and for me its now about 85% full contact laps nad 15% spontaneous ITC extras.. Its Wednesday night and Friday night I have an amazing kinky sex date planned .. with my wife because she is going on vacation saturday morning. Life is a buffet and the people here eat hearty. By the way I know a buffet that actually costs $103.00 for one person, no strippers, just food.
LMFAO IceyDodo says getting sex doesn't require hookers but yet she pays stripper hookers money AND drugs for her GFE with them. LOL I guess it's the drug supply that makes her different.
"you can have sex with a woman, and you can give her money. But this still does not mean that you are paying her for sex."
Hey san_jose_creep, if that same woman is a sex worker, chances are she's taking that money in exchange for the sex. Stop giving a sex worker money (and drugs if you are IceyDodo) and see how the sex works out for you.
Sounds to me you are in denial about paying for sex. LOLZ
Most sex workers, in my observation are just like any other women. So it is not that they see you only as money, its that most customers see the women as only P4P.
The women know that most guys will never see them again and are not interested in being very open with them or in spending time beyond just the basics with them.
^ But there is no difference in that you PAY them money.
Except in you case which you pay money AND drugs.
And sure, all P4P PLs want a different experience. Some people don't want GFE like you and san_jose_creep. Some just wanna nut and don't have to have this pretend I'm not paying attitude.
I mean, a guy can play it how he wants. To a large degree he can turn civvies into pros, and he can turn pros into civvies. What ever way he wants to play it.
But I think it best just to treat them all no different from how you would treat any other woman. You never lose this way.
Its just the right thing to do, to treat every woman like she's a worthy human being. Do it with a sex worker, and they catch feelings quick. Some will use it to play men but for the most part, it makes them curious....They're not used to it
I hate to break the news to you knuckleheads, but you can treat a sex worker and pay her for a service AND do it no different than a conversation with a civie chick. It's you knuckleheads that are assuming that you treat sex workers and strippers differently than other P4P PLs.
For example, my ATF DS is a stripper/escort and I have never (and won't ever) have anything more sexual with her than an ITC LDK. And yes I pay her for this. I have for several years now regularly. And during this time we have grown to know each other on a personal level and talk to each other about personal things. In fact, she freely has shared much more personally with me about herself than I ever would share with her about myself. I went through a death in the family with her. I know the names of all her family members. I know her hobbies. I see her vacation pictures. I know her vacation plans. I see pictures of her house and know the projects that she works on. I know all the music and food she likes. All shit that normal civie friends would know about each other or stuff a boyfriend would know about her but not what a PL would according to you knuckleheads.
Not saying we are BFFs at all. Just saying that we have the conversations and interactions beyond "sex work" that you are talking out of your asses about.
You knuckleheads are P4P just like everyone else here that has their fun with strippers. And yes it is obvious they are real people and women no different than civie ones.
SJG me too. It goes a long long way with strippers. But if you want more, you have to be there type at least. Some will take advantage of men or give a GFE...but that's pretty easy to discern.
@IceyDodo the other thing that's easy to discern is your payments to your past stripper whore GFs. It's easy-peasy when you post shit n shit like this...
"I don't mind spending money in the club."
"If I fuck a stripper...... "
"I offer to pay the house fee, tip out and fine for leaving early) and smoke some weed."
"I don't mind doing normal things like giving her weed, alcohol if she can't buy it, or some money to get her eyebrows or nails done... a bill here and there..."
"Yeah, Im fine with the sugar daddy aspect. Im not naive to think she'd be with me if I were broke."
"Don't care where I met her and have no problem spending the money, its not an issue."
"And I agree, its really weird that she would cut off the $$$. You'd think she'd want to push it. And at this stage while I know itll hurt in the long run, Id be down with it. She knows I'll spend it on her.It was pretty much like we were living in a hip hop video...materialistically, it was there for her. Designer shoes, bags, clothes, the best weed, expensive restaurants. She grew up poor and likes fast money..."
"Im hoping if nothing else, she misses the money. She won't find this elsewhere...it was a lot. A few hundred a day, some days over a thousand."
"... I'd even be fine with it just being about money if she just stays and acts normal."
In San Francisco you find strippers and clubs like you do in most other high mileage cities. And some are pro-sex because the are actually sex professionals. Again this really isn't any different at any other city with clubs like SF. The only difference is price.
In the South Bay you find more air dance and no touch strippers because unfortunately those are the only type of clubs there. They are only shit heads to you because they don't want to DFK your creepy ass.
The girls who dance in strip clubs are more used to high heels and makeup, and they are in general more ready to move fast, and more accustomed to lengthy MSOG encounters.
That they get money is what allows them to do what they do, and still be able to pay their bills. Who could be against that?
^ And in exchange for that money (however she chooses to use it) you get the sex and/or ego boost that you "came" for. It's as simple as that, knucklehead.
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A) time boys, just give her some time.
I wonder what his TUSCL handle is?
"If my girlfriend and her friends would get naked and jack me off for $600, I would pay them to do it."
"Another justification is just that almost all rich people do this. You can take the most tween liberal celebrity or the most conservative pro-family politician and they all fucking engage in it."
I'm not saying there's no stigma attached to SC-ing, or that I talk about it to everyone I know. Part of the fun is doing something semi-secret or that I'm not supposed to. But I don't really feel any guilt about being perv-y, and if I have a good night there's no regrets about spending my money. If you asked me what my ideal way to spend a night would be, groping a variety of pleasant, good looking women and having them act cool about it would be top 5.
No heterosexual male reads ThoughtCatalog.
LOL
Males need and want sex; often constantly - the avg woman is not at that level - we are biologically different - as long as there is no coercion then it's just biology taking manifesting-itself like it was since the beginning of time.
In other advanced societies this is accepeted - but in the US having sexual urges is seen as some kinda moral flaw - crazy; unrealistic; and counter-productive.
But if you want women who are ready for sex to be waiting for you in high heels and makeup, then they have to be getting money.
The money is not for getting sex, it is to allow the women to be there waiting.
SJG
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Mostly what money ITC does is it enables her to be there. It does not mean that she would not otherwise want to have sex with you.
And then seeing her outside, in most other countries well off guys keep mistresses.
In our local clubs, you aren't going to have ITC sex with any of the girls. But they are still lots of fun.
SJG
Hey san_jose_creep, if that same woman is a sex worker, chances are she's taking that money in exchange for the sex. Stop giving a sex worker money (and drugs if you are IceyDodo) and see how the sex works out for you.
Sounds to me you are in denial about paying for sex. LOLZ
But this does not mean that they see you only as money, not by a long shot.
SJG
The women know that most guys will never see them again and are not interested in being very open with them or in spending time beyond just the basics with them.
SJG
LOL!
Except in you case which you pay money AND drugs.
And sure, all P4P PLs want a different experience. Some people don't want GFE like you and san_jose_creep. Some just wanna nut and don't have to have this pretend I'm not paying attitude.
Two Desperate PLs Explain How P4P Without Admitting It
I mean, a guy can play it how he wants. To a large degree he can turn civvies into pros, and he can turn pros into civvies. What ever way he wants to play it.
But I think it best just to treat them all no different from how you would treat any other woman. You never lose this way.
SJG
SJG
For example, my ATF DS is a stripper/escort and I have never (and won't ever) have anything more sexual with her than an ITC LDK. And yes I pay her for this. I have for several years now regularly. And during this time we have grown to know each other on a personal level and talk to each other about personal things. In fact, she freely has shared much more personally with me about herself than I ever would share with her about myself. I went through a death in the family with her. I know the names of all her family members. I know her hobbies. I see her vacation pictures. I know her vacation plans. I see pictures of her house and know the projects that she works on. I know all the music and food she likes. All shit that normal civie friends would know about each other or stuff a boyfriend would know about her but not what a PL would according to you knuckleheads.
Not saying we are BFFs at all. Just saying that we have the conversations and interactions beyond "sex work" that you are talking out of your asses about.
You knuckleheads are P4P just like everyone else here that has their fun with strippers. And yes it is obvious they are real people and women no different than civie ones.
Making an outside relationship work, that is always difficult. And a stripper might come from a very different kind of back ground.
Though I have found the the San Francisco girls tend to be highly enlightened Pro-Sex Feminists.
SJG
"I don't mind spending money in the club."
"If I fuck a stripper...... "
"I offer to pay the house fee, tip out and fine for leaving early) and smoke some weed."
"I don't mind doing normal things like giving her weed, alcohol if she can't buy it, or some money to get her eyebrows or nails done... a bill here and there..."
"Yeah, Im fine with the sugar daddy aspect. Im not naive to think she'd be with me if I were broke."
"Don't care where I met her and have no problem spending the money, its not an issue."
"And I agree, its really weird that she would cut off the $$$. You'd think she'd want to push it. And at this stage while I know itll hurt in the long run, Id be down with it. She knows I'll spend it on her.It was pretty much like we were living in a hip hop video...materialistically, it was there for her. Designer shoes, bags, clothes, the best weed, expensive restaurants. She grew up poor and likes fast money..."
"Im hoping if nothing else, she misses the money. She won't find this elsewhere...it was a lot. A few hundred a day, some days over a thousand."
"... I'd even be fine with it just being about money if she just stays and acts normal."
"...it was a lot. A few hundred a day, some days over a thousand."
LMFAO your P4P GFE is stupid easy to discern, no?
South Bay is more shit head girls.
SJG
In the South Bay you find more air dance and no touch strippers because unfortunately those are the only type of clubs there. They are only shit heads to you because they don't want to DFK your creepy ass.
That they get money is what allows them to do what they do, and still be able to pay their bills. Who could be against that?
SJG
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