Misogyny as a gateway drug for right wing extremists

Icey
I put your ATF on a winning team
More and more, we see misogyny as the gateway drug for extremists,” said Heidi Beirich of the Southern Poverty Law Center.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/…


Neo-nazi murderer basically blamed his hatred of women and right wing extremism on being rejected by girls in 8th grade.....and onwards...

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doctorevil
5 years ago
The SPLC is a left wing hate group.
Icey
5 years ago
Doctorevil, if you weren't semi anonymous on here you wouldn't say that. You are calling an organization which launches legal cases against white supremacist and other hate groups, a "hate group"....

One of their more famous cases is suing the KKK in the early 1980s for harassing Vietnamese immigrant fishermen. I take it that according to you, that was a hate crime against the KKK

Shows where you stand.
crazyjoe
5 years ago
Funny how I destroyed an airplane shitter yesterday!
san_jose_guy
5 years ago
That's a very good article Icey, and I do agree with it.,

That Manosphere and PUA Movement are an entry to Misogyny.

SJG

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Uprightcitizen
5 years ago
Somebody farted in here too! Seriously...

WTF
san_jose_guy
5 years ago
I've long paid close attention to what Southern Poverty Law Center tells us, Morris Dees as I remember. Highly informative.

" In 2018, a few months before Beierle stood in that studio, the Southern Poverty Law Center added a new category to its tracking list of hate movements around the country: male supremacy.

The term encompasses a worrying new array of assaults by men who view women as genetically inferior, inherently treacherous or unwilling to provide them with the sex and submission they see as their birthright. "
doctorevil
5 years ago
“if you weren't semi anonymous on here you wouldn't say that.”’ The hell I wouldn’t. The SPLC did good work in its early years. Now, it’s nothing more than a left wing extremist hate group using legal process to try to shut down speech they don’t agree with. And a hypocritical group at that. It’s leaders are misogynists and racists. Read the news.
MackTruck
5 years ago
Somebody farted in here too! Seriously...

WTF
Icey
5 years ago
Doctorevil, so you support the KKK and think fighting such groups is racism and misogyny. Got it....


SJG, male supremacy is essentially code for white male supremacy. What these men are really bemoaning is the chipping away at white male privilege in the US. When they idealize the 1950s for example....they idealize the benefits and privileges afforded white men during a time of segregation and lack of basic rights for women. They believe that if only they were institutionally afforded the same control over others' autonomy, that they would get laid.... One of the main complaints on their sites is the loss of white women to perceived non white men.
Mate27
5 years ago
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MackTruck
5 years ago
Somebody farted in here too! Seriously...

WTF
Uprightcitizen
5 years ago
It smells like burritos and latex... :(
crazyjoe
5 years ago
Funny how I destroyed an airplane shitter yesterday!
crazyjoe
5 years ago
I devoured that burrito first though
crazyjoe
5 years ago
Funny how I destroyed an airplane shitter yesterday!
crazyjoe
5 years ago
Funny how I destroyed an airplane shitter yesterday!
crazyjoe
5 years ago
Funny how I destroyed an airplane shitter yesterday!
san_jose_guy
5 years ago
Icey,

Excellent article! Has extremely good analysis of this "manosphere".


https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/…

Here is a related article with a video:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/he-…

Talks about Elliot Rodger and the subsequent Incel Shooters.

Florida Yoga Studio shooter Scott Paul Beierle wrote a revenge retaliation novel while he was in high school, “Rejected Youth”

That sounds kind of like Elliot Rodger's manifesto. I have not been able to find any access to the work. Don't worry, most of the things I read are things I do not agree with.

When the Elliot Rodger incident happened and this idea of Incel was introduced, I was blow away. I guess I still do not really know what to make of it.


Icey, what do you have to say about this, a friend telling me that conservative non-feminist women are better, more accepting of men's sexual desires?


https://thetransformedwife.com/why-do-me…

And then the feminist opposing examples:

https://jezebel.com/shockingly-trite-sex…

https://everydayfeminism.com/2013/06/mal…

Anybody have any comments?

SJG


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Icey
5 years ago
I don't believe that conservative-non feminist women are more understanding of men's sexual desires. But a religious woman will usually view sex as a procreative act so they'll be more submissive sexually to their husbands in hope of getting pregnant. But they won't be open or fun in terms of the sex acts they're willing to perform etc. Outside of marriage, you're basically dealing with women who have prudish hangups....or ones who lead a double life because of their sexual repression.
nicespice
5 years ago
Funny how I destroyed an airplane shitter yesterday!
nicespice
5 years ago
Funny how I destroyed an airplane shitter yesterday!
nicespice
5 years ago
Funny how I destroyed an airplane shitter yesterday!
nicespice
5 years ago
Funny how I destroyed an airplane shitter yesterday!
nicespice
5 years ago
Funny how I destroyed an airplane shitter yesterday!
Icey
5 years ago
Shouldn't your man have you out on the stroll by now?
san_jose_guy
5 years ago
Extremely well put Icey, about the conservative women that is. I agree completely.

SJG
Icey
5 years ago
I think these men are really looking for control over their own lives and a sense of validation. Which they feel they're not getting.... so they assume the grass is always greener on the other side....often living with a sense of nostalgia without actually memories, which makes idealizing the past and conservatism so dangerous.
san_jose_guy
5 years ago
Again, I agree with Icey. But just saying that, it doesn't tell us why things seem to be getting worse and worse, or where to try and go from here.

Well for one thing, the Conservative Women, they are topping from the bottom. Their are going to be a whole list of assumptions and non-negotiables which they expect.

Where as with the Feminists, everything is going to be on the table, out in the open. Maybe sometimes they sound unreasonable, but that does not mean that they will hold to their positions. They are not in this world just to make marriage work. And marriage, in my considered opinion, sucks.

But with these Conservative Christian Women, nothing is on the table. Everything is prescribed by existing social norms and nostalgia for an imagined past.

SJG

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MackTruck
5 years ago
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5 years ago
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5 years ago
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5 years ago
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Uprightcitizen
5 years ago
That stench just won't go awayin here. Must be somebody's skidmarks

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MackTruck
5 years ago
I just farted
JimGassagain
5 years ago
Why this war on white middle aged men, Icey and SJG? Did one of them fist your ass after promising to give you candy as a boy? Was his name Father Shenanigans?
Icey
5 years ago
SJG, I think its getting worse because as a country, we're at a huge cross roads. The ideological battle in Washington is basically a battle for the future course of the country. Its very similar to where South Africa was after Apartheid fell, or even post Mugabe Zimbabwe. We like to compare ourselves to the first world politically, but we're really not there.

As the push for further equality progresses, White America is realizing that equality isn't making everyone "white" and pushing white middle class mores on them. Addressing disadvantage means addressing unearned privilege... and that makes people combative. It makes them feel attacked. This is especially true for White males, who have historically been the most privileged group in the US.

I've dated conservative women before and would never do it again. It was hell. She would have sex with me but associated it with shame and guilt and was the most judgmental person ever....Threw extreme fits when everything wasn't on her terms.

And I don't know the bitching or complaints about feminists... Some of the sexiest women I've had sex with were Chicana and Middle Eastern activists. They were carefree and had no hangups, it was what it was and they accepted me for me, and respected me more as a man than non feminist women.

And yeah, the conservative nostalgia for say the 1950s is ridiculous.... They claim it was a time of stability and values. What values? Segregation? Lynchings? Lack of rights for women? A culture that shamed anyone who wasn't a conformist?
Mate27
5 years ago
Strawmen^^
ime
5 years ago
of course or local mysonginists iceydildo and sjg are denigrating conservative women but like always they are wrong again Conservative women have the best sex lives.

https://thefederalist.com/2016/09/08/12-…

Republicans have more sex
https://www.bustle.com/p/republicans-are…

Shit even Vice a total left rag says it
https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/paeek…

Your lefty projection is embarrassing, SJG and Icey BTFO by Conservative Women, haha
twentyfive
5 years ago
I’m willing to bet a large amount of money that loco and SJG are friendless loners, and suffer from a lack of control over their own life, leading them to attack anyone having a good time, which neither of them ever had.
san_jose_guy
5 years ago
^^^^^ I know that 25 is a creep who is going senile.

SJG
san_jose_guy
5 years ago
ime, Republican women might sometimes have more sex, but that is just because they will do whatever it takes to hold on when there is money.

SJG
ime
5 years ago
Ok moron you just described liberal women if you read the articles you might gain some insight but you will not leave your echo chamber. Go back to your slim mexican boys.
san_jose_guy
5 years ago
JimGassagain, we already know that its you who when he gets bored, don's the attire and is Father Shenanigans.


I agree with what IceyLoco posted above. He wrote, "The ideological battle in Washington is basically a battle for the future course of the country."

Yes of course, our national politics are identity battles. A great deal was accomplished in the 60's and 70's, Civil Rights, Anti-War, Women's Liberation, War on Poverty, Gay Liberation.

But Reagan and G. W. Bush were a huge backlash, and then Trump is coming from out of this world.

So their is a great deal of anxiety, being felt by whites. Whites are starting to feel some of the anxiety which minority groups have always felt.

And so this idea about some preference for Conservative Women, its really almost already a kind of misogyny already.

Still, when we talk about the guy who went on the shooting rampage at the Florida Yoga Studio, what can we say about him? I am surprised at the number of incidents where he got in trouble with women, and got fired or banished from somewhere, and the impact these must have had on his life, like Florida State Univ.

How could one reach out to such a person? And then I guess the same goes for a younger man who on the surface looked diffrent, Elliot Rodger.

Some of it is the Right Wing Media, this manosphere in these cases, and how the Internet supports such.

But as others have pointed out, this like the National Rifle Association stuff comes directly from the Republican Party and its doctrines.

For me, probably the biggest surprise about TUSCL, has been just how clear it is that a sizable population segment is being influenced by this Right Wing Nonsense world view.

Rodger and this Florida shooter, they went suicidal. If you could have gotten to them somehow, they could have been nice people.

SJG

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MackTruck
5 years ago
I fart in your general direction
san_jose_guy
5 years ago
I set that fart on fire!

SJG
Mate27
5 years ago
SJG is a poster boy for why the nation will be chanting “keep America Great” going into 2020. Can you imagine if we elect some bozo anywhere near the inclination SJG thinks? Wow, we’d be like Nazi Germany and it’s fascist regime.
san_jose_guy
5 years ago
We are already on fast track to be like Nazi Germany. And Meat72 is party hack number 1.

A more educated populace would really help.

SJG
Icey
5 years ago
Also notice how anti intellectualism is at an all time high, and the attacks on higher education.... replacing tenured faculty with adjuncts, small liberal arts schools shutting down, historically Black colleges with financial problems, a college degree being viewed as a detriment on resumes depending on the major.... Public attacks on science and the arts...
san_jose_guy
5 years ago
It has long been that in most employment situations, your brains has to be checked at the door, and you the candidate are way smarter than any of the interviewers.

De-skilling of jobs is a major factor.

And this board is saturated with people on the Right showing off their anti-intellectual attitudes.

In my organization it will not be like that at all.

I have been able to avoid such problems myself in the work place only because I am tough and arrogant, and I have been able to get myself into some special spots. But this does not mean that I am any more entitled than anyone else to a decent living and a dignified work environment.

SJG


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san_jose_guy
5 years ago
Trump basically ran his entire campaign on anti-intellectualism.

George W. Bush was like this. But the one which really shocked me was G. H. W. Bush in 1988.

SJG


Are female sexuality and desire misunderstood? Do women misunderstand men's sexuality?

So some are saying that it is better for a man to be with conservative women:
https://thetransformedwife.com/why-do-me…

And then also offered is this counter example of the feminist women:

https://jezebel.com/shockingly-trite-sex…

https://everydayfeminism.com/2013/06/mal…

What do people think?



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Icey
5 years ago
Trump ran a purely visceral campaign appealing to the alt right and latent racism, classism, etc. And he only won because of Democrat abstention from the elections. Which is why he has a good chance of beating Biden.
skibum609
5 years ago
Obama was a virulent racist and ran a campaign of race baining. The SPLC has the same views towards Jews as the Nazi party and has never once condemned Islamic terrorism. They are a hate group no better than the KKK. 25 is exactly who he claims to be: an older guy who worked hard his whole life and is reaping the reward. The Propgressives are the single largest grioup of ignorant bigots on earth, but luckily theyt are incopmpetent at that as well and cannot do permanent harm. Just because you';re a loser in life, you don't deserve taxpayer money. Until the retards we call the young start making their own way in life, America has no future. I am glad I am old so I don't have to be a "man" like Icey and SJG, who seem morelike trans men than guys with a functioning penis they were born with. On what will Democrats blame their next loss to stipid Trump?
twentyfive
5 years ago
Those idiots that are praising the SPLC really know nothing about the organization, it started off as a good idea with great intentions, but Morris Dees is no longer guiding them, and is currently involved in a lawsuit against the group that committed a coup and ousted him.
san_jose_guy
5 years ago
SPLC is a great group. Just ignore Right Wing Media. It will always steer you wrong.


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